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Is it just me or does it seem after the update it kind of messed a lot of things up. I used to do Suzuka 600pp all the time with the M3 but now that it has tire restrictions down to S2 it has really thrown off my tuning, and I'm kind of lost on what to do because I have tried many different ways of tuning the car and nothing seems to work now. Anyone else having this problem with any of the other online races?
 
Quite frankly, your tune on R3s wasn't all that important, especially on 600PP because you'd have so much grip. The problem is you were spoilt with R3 tires before and now can't drive on S2s. Practice and you'll see, use an F430 for easy RWD driving on S2s.
 
Im finding the tyre changes fine, just a little re-adjustment and some re-tunes and its fine. Sure, its annoying to suddenly have less grip, but you deal with it, not much can be done about it, and its not like you're at a massive disadvantage because everyone else is in the same position.
 
Well than does anyone have any recommendations for the tune on the BMW M3 then, because I used TLD's tune for the M3 and since the tire change it's not near as good as it was.
 
What Now for online play we only can use S2 tires?

WHAA??


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Noah
Well than does anyone have any recommendations for the tune on the BMW M3 then, because I used TLD's tune for the M3 and since the tire change it's not near as good as it was.
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Well, thats because it was designed for R3 tyres.......all of TLD's tunes are now effectively useless online except for the recent Viper tune.
 
I ve been having trouble trying to get the car to drive off the corner. In the viper F40 and the DB9 Ive got the car where I want it in entry and mid corner but unless I have the wheel dead straite I cant put any power down. :(...
 
I find that since the change it seems to have made the race a little more competitive. Even more so with the standing start. At this time it seems that the 4wd cars have a advantage over rwd & mwd. I drive a white WRX 05. It is easy to tune and it seems that the tire rating does not seems to make a difference.👍:)
 
zodicus
I ve been having trouble trying to get the car to drive off the corner. In the viper F40 and the DB9 Ive got the car where I want it in entry and mid corner but unless I have the wheel dead straite I cant put any power down. :(...
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That is exactly how it is with me at least until I find out how to tune well, lol.
 
You should check your gear ratios. They're probably too short now, because of the S2-tires, which have less grip (meaning: they can't cope with all that torque). The 4wd cars do have an advantage, but some decent tuning on the RWD cars will clear that up rather quickly.
 
NLxAROSA
You should check your gear ratios. They're probably too short now, because of the S2-tires, which have less grip (meaning: they can't cope with all that torque). The 4wd cars do have an advantage, but some decent tuning on the RWD cars will clear that up rather quickly.
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Yeah good point, I will do that.
 
Never mind gear ratios, one simple solution. Throttle control, longer gear ratios can just end up penalising you when you do need the power but need the revs (not as important with naturally aspirated engines, but turbos will suffer like the Amuse/Opera 350Z).

It appears you're using a DFP, so you have pedals which makes it MUCH easier to feather the throttle and learn when and where you can apply more throttle, and then full throttle. I manage it with the sixaxis triggers, so I'm sure with practice you can do it with pedals. I'm not trying to be offensive, but you can't blame your tune and/or car for everything. Some cars like the 512BB will never handle easily on S2s no matter what tune you have due to the old fashioned nature of it.

Practice throttle modulation and you'll soon see what I mean. Remember, there's a point between full and no throttle :sly:
 
Throttle control will definitely not solve all the issues when switching to tires with less grip. If the gear was short to begin with it can now be impossible to control with the throttle without seriously losing valuable lap time. And it certainly makes a car harder to drive.
 
NLxAROSA
Throttle control will definitely not solve all the issues when switching to tires with less grip. If the gear was short to begin with it can now be impossible to control with the throttle without seriously losing valuable lap time. And it certainly makes a car harder to drive.
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There's no way around it - lap times are going to increase when you move from stickies to S2's. That can't be avoided.
 
Ofcourse, less grip is less grip, you can't change that fact. But that is not the entire issue. Throttle control and gear ratio tuning go hand in hand. If I have created a gear ratio which is the shortest possible for R3 tires (using throttle control already) it's going to be a huge pain in the ass when you switch to S2.
 
why? my gear ratios are the same if a little short to compensate lower corner speeds and i run faster then most in 600PP. Harder to drive i grant you, but if you're lengthening your gears you lose boost from your turbo (if you have one). It's all well a good in many cars, but for instance i out dragged an RWD Mines in my Amuse through throttle control to elimnate wheel spin. If you can do it off the line, why not out a corner?

E.G. as a good example watch the current no1 record in the corvette tuned on pro. Put a normal view on like chase so you can see throttle application and so on, and watch how he eases the throttle on every time. The only time this changes is on the ultra slow hairpin for obvious reasons. Everywhere else the accelerator is depressed smoothly from a mid position to full. Hardly ever nothing to full.

Remember, he can't have different ratios because its time trial.

Even better example on Fuji F in the F40.
 
What I noticed is that the cars seem to have been visually downgraded (very noticeable in the garage view) they are more blurry.. I think thats due to space limitations of the updates now that the game has loads of cars...

Robin
 
@Dragonistic: Those examples are ofcourse no good because you can't change the settings in time trial. There is no way we can know if he would be faster (or slower) with different gear settings. :)

I'm not saying that throttle control is rubbish, just that it will not solve ALL your problems, just like gear ratio tuning will not solve ALL your problems. They go hand in hand.

As for turbo pressure, the gauge is usually full way before you ever get high in revs. Gear ratios usually have very limited effect on turbo pressure. You do want to keep on a little gas even while braking/decelerating to keep it filled though. :) (Real race drivers do this anyway)
 
The gauge is often wrong by the way, stick an Amuse/Opera in 2nd and pull away. Then go into quick tune at look at the power/torque graph it really shows there. First set the power to minimum, its fine there you have reasonable power most the way through. Then put the power to max, the graph is MUCH steeper meaning much less power is available lower in the revs, looks like at least 100 less bhp at 5000RPM then 7500RPM.
 
I might be wrong here, but if the turbo gauge is showing turbo pressure, it might be correct. I was (still am) under the assumption turbo pressure has a direct relation with maximum torque (maximum torque is reached earlier) rather than engine power. The torque graph should then give a better indication as to when it is at maximum pressure. But I'm not completely sure about this.
 
You can see where the turbo kicks in, yes torque is reached fine but the power doesn't come in til much later on, and we want both! lol. Thats why i graph my gears to always get slightly shorter in comparison to the last so a curve is created meaning you're in higher revs each time you shift. E.g. 6000Rpm when you hit 2nd, then 6250 when you hit 3rd. That way the engine is less strained when reaching top speed as you climb the gears. Longer gears would slow this process down and take longer to hit the maximum power. What i suggest gearing wise is longer first and second gears (standard tuning tactic all round). So instead of lengthening all the gears, maybe just second and first, first should rarely been seen if at all though. I never use first gear all race in my Amuse or F430.

Also softer rear suspension can allow weight to shift over the rear wheels and help increase rear traction under accel.
 
My gear ratios have not changed appreciably since PD required S2's and N3's. What I've found is that you take those recovered points as the result of tire reduction and use them to reduce the weight of your car. Less weight transfer equals better cornering and better acceleration.
 
I have been using the Subaru WRX RA and with my tune have been whooping up on some folks... :)
 

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