All 13 first-gen Miatas TESTED at Suzuka!

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Rave2Grave
I say 13, but there are 8 others that differ in name ONLY, so I did not do those.

I detuned the 1.8L cars to 128 hp because the garage was showing 130 hp and that isn't correct according to the Car Info screen.

Every car is equipped with Sport Hard tires, NO OIL CHANGES, and no other mods.

2:38.313 - Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97 (forgot to detune to 128hp...)
2:38.359 - Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93
2:38.398 - Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95
2:38.600 - Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
2:38.684 - Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89
2:38.730 - Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
2:38.820 - Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95
2:38.892 - Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93
2:38.937 - Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
2:38.944 - Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
2:39.133 - Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97
2:41.042 - Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
2:41.162 - Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91

A total of ~3 seconds separates the fastest from the slowest.

I hope you guys enjoy checking this out! Replays have been uploaded to my youtube channel. Link in sig!
 
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CeeJay
I'd never play GT again if they got rid of the Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93!!!! :mad: ;)
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I think you mean the Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97 :D

Yeah I snuck that car in there just now because I forgot to test it before I posted this thread. Stupid me haha.
 
SuzukaStar
Basically, the '91 cars are the
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... least powerful. The 1991 cars along with the 1989 cars are 1.6 litre engines, chucking out 117hp compared to 130hp for the 1993, 1995 and 1997s, which are all 1.8s.

The fastest cars on your list are the most powerful (1.8, 130hp) ones, though the Premium NA Eunos Roadster '89 (which begs a question about Premium car handling)...

Here's the power* and power-to-weight ratios for your times, in the same order:

130hp, 133hp/tonne - 2:38.313 - Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
130hp, 130hp/tonne - 2:38.359 - Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93
130hp, 131hp/tonne - 2:38.398 - Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95
130hp, 133hp/tonne - 2:38.600 - Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
117hp, 124hp/tonne - 2:38.684 - Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89 [P]
130hp, 130hp/tonne - 2:38.730 - Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
130hp, 131hp/tonne - 2:38.820 - Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95
130hp, 123hp/tonne - 2:38.892 - Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93
130hp, 133hp/tonne - 2:38.937 - Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
130hp, 133hp/tonne - 2:38.944 - Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
130hp, 130hp/tonne - 2:39.133 - Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97
117hp, 124hp/tonne - 2:41.042 - Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
117hp, 123hp/tonne - 2:41.162 - Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91 [P]

Your time spread is 1.8% - more than you see in F1 qualifying, but only 0.5% if you exclude the 1.6 NAs - less than you see in F1 qualifying, unless you similarly exclude the Caterhams.

Amusingly, none of the cars you tested were Miatas.

*Disregarding the detuning - I don't quite know why you've done that, since it affects the torque curve...
 
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Good job, did you 'feel' a difference between the fastest and the slowest?

Edit: difference between the 1.8 models and the 1.6 models separately.

Suzuka is a big track with lots of places to gain and loose 10ths, I bet a test on a smaller track might be easier?
 
SuzukaStar
Now, do we REALLY need so many Miatas when the majority of them are within mere tenths of each other?
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The hardest part of creating cars for the game is the 3D modeling of the car, the visual aspect if you will. With a lot of these Miata's there was no physical change to their appearance, only a change to a statistic such as power or weight or spring rate or ride height, all of which is just a number in a database somewhere. So since they already have the hard part done (the visual modeling), then all they have to do is tweak a number in a database somewhere and viola! they have a "whole other model".

Yes, this is an easy way to boost the car count for the game. But had they not done it then somebody would have created a thread saying "All they had to do was change a number in the database to make this whole new version of the Miata. Stoopid, lazy PD/Kaz!! :mad:".
 
There is definitely something fishy with premium car handling. No way the '89 Eunos should be faster than any of the 1.8's.

Are there any other cars in which there is a standard AND a premium version which have the same power and weight stats? I'd like to test those as well.

I could feel slight differences between all 13 cars, but nothing too major except the standard 1.6L cars vs the 1.8's.
 
SuzukaStar
I could feel slight differences between all 13 cars, but nothing too major except the standard 1.6L cars vs the 1.8's.
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I've never bothered to check, but there should be different suspension settings (fictional ones too - you can't set an MX-5 in GT6 as soft as a real one) for the different models and some of the 1995/1997 special editions should have a limited slip differential.

In fact they should have LSDs on the Eunos Roadsters where they aren't on the equivalent EU MX-5, but since the special editions don't actually exist by name on the MX-5, that's just hoping for too much.
 
SuzukaStar
There is definitely something fishy with premium car handling. No way the '89 Eunos should be faster than any of the 1.8's.

Are there any other cars in which there is a standard AND a premium version which have the same power and weight stats? I'd like to test those as well.

I could feel slight differences between all 13 cars, but nothing too major except the standard 1.6L cars vs the 1.8's.
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The Alpine.
 
Amazing job, man! And I never expected to be these many Eunos Roadsters in the game. I may complain about the number of repetitions in the game, but what is Gran Turismo with its dozen NA's, lol.

I may do one of these to give you some help. I'm just waiting for an hdmi cable for my PS3 that should be delivered today or tomorrow. I know a couple of cars that would be fun to try.
 
jimipitbull
If they weren't there, this thread wouldn't exist. Each one has a place in this thread and on youtube.

As such, they. No, you have earned their rightful place in the Mazda dealership.

You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. I would like to subscribe to your thread.
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Dude, are those supposed to be sentances?

If I do understand this gibberish it sounds like you are impressed that dupes drive like dupes.
That or you did not consider what Famine pointed out before you posted.
 
Great job OP.

I did a similar test a while back but tuned all of them to 450pp with SS, same parts etc on a few tracks like Trial Mountain, Grand Valley East and Deep Forest.

Been a while since I did this, but from memory, all of the 1.8L Miatas were pretty much even, a tad faster than the 1.6L ones as you might expect. There were variances but given the driver error margin compared to one lap vs another the 1.8L Miata are pretty even to each other as are the 1.6L ones, but there's not much in it.

The outlier seemed to be the Premium Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07 which edged in front of the older MX-5's at 450pp, and generally tunes much better at the higher ranges.
 
I've done the NB's and NC as well.

2:32.452 - Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07
2:34.155 - Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '00
2:36.789 - Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS (NB) '98
2:40.820 - Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A (NB) '04

The 1.6 NB is slower than every 1.8 NA but faster than the 1.6 J-Limited NA's.
 
Excellent work OP, this type of stuff is invaluable. I think we should petition GTP for a separate "Testing" Forum for GT7, or at least a sub-forum in the Tuning area. This data is too important to get buried in the shuffle of the main forum.
 
SuzukaStar
There is definitely something fishy with premium car handling. No way the '89 Eunos should be faster than any of the 1.8's.

Are there any other cars in which there is a standard AND a premium version which have the same power and weight stats? I'd like to test those as well.

I could feel slight differences between all 13 cars, but nothing too major except the standard 1.6L cars vs the 1.8's.
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I know they're not great track cars, but the '00 Corvette Z06 & '04 Z06 are both close in horsepower and PP, and I'd appreciate knowing which is actually faster around the track. The Shelby GT350 & GT350R are also nearly identical.
 
Very good info here, your time and effort is much appreciated.

Man you are fast with those requests. 18 min to test, record and upload... almost premeditated.
 
Jimmy_Pop
Very good info here, your time and effort is much appreciated.

Man you are fast with those requests. 18 min to test, record and upload... almost premeditated.
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I've tested 550+ different cars, so I'm down to just a handful of cars left to test that come with SH tires or worse.

I only do 2 or 3 laps plus a few restarts, occasionally 4 or 5+ laps if I'm being Mr. Perfectionist.

Check the youtube link in my sig. It's just car after car after car flying around Suzuka. Power, weight, and PP are listed in the description boxes under each video.
 
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I have an mx5 1.8 1994 with Toyo R888 on it.. Comfort softs are ideal to represent it - going Sports Hard is way overboard in my opinion.
For a high performance non semi I'd go for Comfort Medium but normal OEM tyres no more than Comfort Hard!
 
SuzukaStar
I've tested 550+ different cars, so I'm down to just a handful of cars left to test that come with SH tires or worse.

I only do 2 or 3 laps plus a few restarts, occasionally 4 or 5+ laps if I'm being Mr. Perfectionist.

Check the youtube link in my sig. It's just car after car after car flying around Suzuka. Power, weight, and PP are listed in the description boxes under each video.
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Awesome work, I will have to check it out.
 
Yes, Star has tested a lot of cars.

Very interesting to see these times differ from car to car. I would say he is very consistent in testing also. 👍
 
How come everyone seems to emphasise no oil change?

It's not a modification, it's just running the car the best it can.

And wow, you found a difference in the roadster models :lol:
 
I use SH tires because I need to use the same tires for every car I test. SH just made the most sense to me. I'd rather upgrade the slow cars than downgrade the fast cars.

And oil changes are a bad idea for stock testing because they inflate the HP and torque values way beyond what they're supposed to be from the factory 99% of the time.

As for the Shelby GT350's, I'll get around to them tomorrow. And the C5 Z06's are probably not as identical as they may seem by my lap times. In better hands there might be a wider spread, but not by much.

All the Miata vids are now uploaded. Here's one:

 
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Master__Shake_
Thanks. So the standard is faster even though it has lower horsepower, that's interesting. Are you interested in trying the GT350 vs GT350R?
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I feel the difference on the Z06's time is so minimal to be conclusive. Anything so slightly as as pressing the gas tenth's of a second later, or braking tenth's of a second earlier in either laps would give a difference like this. I would do three laps with each car in two sessions. On one session I would start with one car, and in the other I would start with the other car, then compare the results to get an average time.
 

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