Am i A Cheat ?

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What Tires do you normally use in endurance races , I normally use the hardest compound . Is this cheating ? Because I can keep up with their lap times , but I don't have to pit every 7 laps or so

Oh Yes , and another thing , I raced with the Spoon S2000 on Seattle Enduro , and managed to pul away from the Corvette's and Vipers on the Strraights . Why ? It only had like 430 hp or something . I thought the Viper would kill me 4 sure


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Don't know about the S2000. But you're not cheating by putting on hard tyres for enduro's you're just using common sense :)
 
Your spoon might be a lot lighter, than the american muscles, and that's why you don't need 1000's of hp.
 
cuefilz it's just good racing sense to use the hard compound, it does sacrifice grip and hence lap times :clock: so therefore your not cheating?..:burnout:
 
Cuefilez:
I wouldn't say your cheating in the least bit. Your using appropriate racing strategy.

As for outrunning the american muscle in the Spoon S2000, it's likely you've got suspension modifications, and gearing modifications (yes/no?) that the other cars don't have. Also, the Spoon has considerably less weight than the american cars your facing.

Good luck, and glad to see you went for a realistic car as opposed to a monster.

AO
 
Yeah, ditto what AO said. Using hard compound tires is just good racing strategy. For instance, on the Seattle Enduro, did you ever even see the Cobra? I bet he took off and left you on the first lap... yet you beat him by several laps, because he pits all the time.

The thing to look at when guaging cars is not straight horsepower, but the weight-to-power ratio. All things being more or less equal, the car with the lowest number there is going to win.
 
Only way to win is to win crippled. You have shamed your family. Either commit seppuku or restart whole game.

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Originally posted by neon_duke
The thing to look at when guaging cars is not straight horsepower, but the weight-to-power ratio. All things being more or less equal, the car with the lowest number there is going to win.
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NEON...? Please... If you don't mind, explain what weight-to-power ratio is. Why can't a 1100 HP / 1000 Kg car no destroy a 700hp / 900 Kg car.
 
Well it's about a lot more than the simple ratio of the car's weight to its power (we Brits say this the other way around!). The thing with weight is that it affects every single element of a car's dynamics. The more powerful car is likely to be heavier than the less powerful car. This will slow its acceleration, and also lengthen braking distances and reduce ultimate cornering speed. As the late great Colin Chapman once said: To make a good car great, just add lightness.

Also, in a straight acceleration run, gearing plays a major part. If the gearing is higher on the more powerful car, this may mask its superior power, and cause the car not to deliver the acceleration you expect. This is because the engine has to work harder to deliver the same acceleration. I am assuming you've ridden a bicycle, and are therefore familiar with the effect the chosen gear has on work rate.

Finally, at speeds above about 60mph, aerodynamics plays a significant part. If your 700bhp car is aerodynamically more efficient (i.e. produces a higher amount of downforce for a given amount of drag) than your 1100bhp car, then again the smaller car will often win because the superior power of the brick-shaped car is used to overcome the aerodynamic inefficiency.

This is why you can normally waste an 1100bhp Skyline (as Jeremy Clarkson would say, a chest of drawers with a jet engine attached) with your Toyota GT-One.
 
It seems Giles has taken care of the issue for me, and has done it very thoroughly indeed. Thanks, Giles!
 
the S2000 (wether or not PD incorporated this) has an extremely low center of gravity, which means it would acelerate way better at speed than a Viper.

hard tires = good sense.
 
A little over an hour and a quarter, in a reasonable car. I've won it by a couple laps in the Clio racecar, and in a 400 hp built Evo VI RS.
 
Originally posted by NASCARnut
How long does it take to complete the Seattle enduro???

And like ving said, keep up the good work!
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In a car with good tuning and under 550hp, anywhere between 59mins to 1.15.xxx in my experience.
 
Cool Thanx You Guys Are the Best

-No decent suspension mods really , I just screwed around so I probably made it worse ;)

- Gearing No

Is there a site with tips on every racecourse I've been hitting 1:38's with the Spoon and would like to see If I can go faster

[Ps look up for my upcoming drift video , its gonna be totally totally sweet ]
 
GilesGuthrie and Neon_duke and the rest. Thankx
I had a good understanding of these low's and now its even better.

Btw. Where do you People get our answers, NASA? lol.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
As the late great Colin Chapman once said: To make a good car great, just add lightness.
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A great man indeed. Instead of building a tough, heavy car and progressively lightening it, he would build a flimsy, light car and strengthen it when it broke :)

This is why you can normally waste an 1100bhp Skyline (as Jeremy Clarkson would say, a chest of drawers with a jet engine attached) with your Toyota GT-One.
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Ha ha, Clarkson just doesn't give a toss what he says, does he? You got to give the man his due, he doesn't pull his punches. And in this case, I happen to agree with him.
 
Missed it this week, but saw the one last week where he pulled the Focus RS to pieces over it's handling (and pissed off a heap of RS fanatics who were in the studio). I agree - give me a Honda Civic Type R any day over a Focus, however tarted up it is.
 
Originally posted by cuefilez
What Tires do you normally use in endurance races , I normally use the hardest compound . Is this cheating ? Because I can keep up with their lap times , but I don't have to pit every 7 laps or so

Oh Yes , and another thing , I raced with the Spoon S2000 on Seattle Enduro , and managed to pul away from the Corvette's and Vipers on the Strraights . Why ? It only had like 430 hp or something . I thought the Viper would kill me 4 sure


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cuefilez
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Most of the imes i use Super Slicks :D but not allways hehe
 
I've not bothered too much with the enduros. Rarely have the time to sit for too long. Until recently any longer periods were spent in getting the S license at Monte Carlo!

The hard compound is a valid strategy and not cheating. I've used a grunty car (forget which one though) and done it on mediums. More pitstops but had the performance to stay out in front. Although I shall definitely consider using a hard compound tyre and see the difference. :D
 

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