Am I doing this right?

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I've recently gotten into using the G25 with 6-speed shifter and clutch. I usually use the G25 with the sequential shifter.

I can upshift fairly simply. It's just downshifting that gets me. When I use the sequential shifter, I just brake, and gear down. When using the six-speed with clutch, I brake, depress the clutch, gear down, release the clutch, and either brake or get back on the acceleration. Am I doing this right?

I'm also aware of certain advanced techniques such as the heel-to-toe downshift, and double clutching. Apparantly, these techniques reduce wear-and-tear, create better driver control, and help create faster lap times, I'm just getting into using the clutch, and I'd like to ease into it before using these advanced techniques.

On a side note, I'm only 16, and I don't even have my licence yet. I haven't even driven a real car before. This is perhaps big factor into my ignorance about cars in general. I have no idea what certain terms mean, such as rev matching. When I get my first car, it's probably going to be automatic. I'll leave manual driving to racing simulators. :)
 
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Yeah, sounds right to me.
You should be able to brake and continue braking while using the clutch/changing gear etc.
When you want to try heel and toeing, just before you release the clutch twist your right foot so that your heel is on the accelerator, nudge the accelerator with your heel to bring the revs up a bit, then let the clutch out.

Double clutching (or de-clutching) is when you
clutch in,
shift out of a higher gear,
clutch out,
clutch in,
shift into a lower gear,
clutch out.

I can't really see any benefit from that in GT5p though.
 
Yeah normally downshifting and braking without heel-toeing is pretty hard on the clutch, but since you can't damage the clutch in the game, don't worry about it. I don't have a G25, but I think not heel-toeing would feel weird. It's not hard to do, just as ken said, brake with the ball of your foot, and rev-match with the throttle using your heel.
 
hey i'm just curious, zheng. you said you brake, clutch, shift, and continue braking or accelerate. are you braking with your left or right foot? it should be your right, that way you can downshift WHILE braking. it makes for quicker times..

i only ask this because you said you've never driven a car before.
 
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hey i'm just curious, zheng. you said you brake, clutch, shift, and continue braking or accelerate. are you braking with your left or right foot? it should be your right, that way you can downshift WHILE braking. it makes for quicker times..

i only ask this because you said you've never driven a car before.
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I use my right foot. I only use my left foot when I'm using sequential. In that scenario, right on throttle, left on brake. :)

Thanks for the input guys. Also, if I may ask, what is rev matching? I cannot find it on wikipedia, or youtube. The websites I've found on google doesn't give an explanation of it.
 
rev matching: matching the engine speed to the driveline speed. you usually do it when downshifting to keep from upsetting the rear traction. it would go like this:

clutch, downshift, press gas to bring RPM's up, clutch-out.

if you were to clutch, downshift, then clutch-out without bringing the engine speed(RPMs) up, the RPMs whould shoot up to match the wheel speed for the gear your in.

heel-toe'ing is basically rev matching, and comes into play when you want to downshift while braking. if your really pushing it into a corner and your braking hard, simply clutching, shifting, and letting off the clutch could cause the traction to get upset in the rear because when you pop that clutch, it adds to the braking force. just like using the engine to slow a vehicle down. so drivers keep the brake depressed with the toe of there right foot, while bringing the RPMs up with their heel of the same foot to downshift smoothly with minimal traction loss.

that make any sense?
 
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Yep, perfect sense. Thanks for the detailed explanation. :)

And to anyone who can answer this, is double clutching necessary for heel to toe downshifting?
 
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No. Infact, with modern manual transmissions, there is no need to double clutch at all.
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+1. it really has no benefits in modern racing. why clutch twice when you can clutch once, right? i think truck drivers are the only ones who double-clutch nowadays. and thats only because sometimes their transmissions shift smoother with a double-clutch. i'm sure if they didn't have to, they wouldn't.
 
first off let me start by saying GREAT JOB, your very quick especially for a 16 year old thats never driving before. So thats what you were trying to figure out when you gave me a punt at HSR today:dopey: I knew you did not mean it. if I was you i would stick to the sequential mode, thats what I use, its way faster, the g25 is great but the shifter sucks, plan on lots of missed shifts, in a real car you can feel the car grab and you have a great sense of what the cars doing but in the game thats not the case, its really hard to get it right. I know there are plenty of guys that use the shifter and are very fast with it I just feel you can be alot more precise in sequential mode. Again great job:tup:
 
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first off let me start by saying GREAT JOB, your very quick especially for a 16 year old thats never driving before. So thats what you were trying to figure out when you gave me a punt at HSR today:dopey: I knew you did not mean it. if I was you i would stick to the sequential mode, thats what I use, its way faster, the g25 is great but the shifter sucks, plan on lots of missed shifts, in a real car you can feel the car grab and you have a great sense of what the cars doing but in the game thats not the case, its really hard to get it right. I know there are plenty of guys that use the shifter and are very fast with it I just feel you can be alot more precise in sequential mode. Again great job:tup:
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Thanks, a lot! Feels great to get a compliment from a very well-known and quick racer. :)
 

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