Am I the only one enjoying the game way more with a wheel & assists ?

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With the gamepad, no assists needed, ABS at 1, I can "drive" any car to the max, I even mastered the E-brake to take any corners without ever crashing, but with a wheel (G27), with no assists, cars go out of control WAY too easily, to the point where I think it's stupid and unrealistic.

Yes, I don't have that much experience with it (G27), but spinning out of control at 130 km/h on a race track... come on. I use stock versions with the default tires they come with. Right now, I'm driving an S2000 with no assists and it's like running on ice with running shoes. With assists on, wow, I can actually enjoy the game almost as if it was "real".

Yes, I do drive in real life and going 120km/h on the highway never sent me into the guard rail. Yes, cars do have assists, and the steering wheel doesn't feel like it's possesed by an evil spirit.

I love cars in GT5 that have less than 400 hp, I take them on the track and cruise as if it was a sunday's drive.
 
It is considerably easier to recover from a spin with the pad, than it is a wheel, ive noticed.

With the wheel, once you start to spin, its over. Which is more realistic if you ask me

There is a learning curve when switching to a wheel. but once you get over that, you have gobs more control over the car and your laptimes will be untouchable versus the pad

What I did when I got the wheel, i took a bone stock nsx, all aids off, and went to the nurburgring gp/f and i just kept doing laps over and over until i stopped spinning out. With the wheel you essentially have to re-learn how to drive. When to throttle on, throttle off, ect
 
Sure is (recovering from a spin), but as much as this game is a "simulator", how come non-gamers or non-racing gamers are having a hard time keeping up a straight line and hitting every wall ?

Friends of mine, some of them have been driving for more than 15 years, can't "drive" more than 20 seconds without crashing.

I love GT5, no doubt (I wouldn't have a G27, right ?) but assists or not, it doesn't change much in my opinion, besides being tougher to turn, accelerate and all.

I think the assists should have a default, that way, we would have a stock car, with default tires and the assists it should have in real life, for example, all TVR would have no assists, no ABS, cars from the 40, 50, 60 and early 70 wouldn't have any ABS... stuff like that.

It would also be nice if we could also change gears on automatic cars that have that option in real life (like the Mazda 3, although not in the game technically, I'm sure the Mazda6, aka Atenza, or something like that has it).
 
Ben78
Sure is (recovering from a spin), but as much as this game is a "simulator", how come non-gamers or non-racing gamers are having a hard time keeping up a straight line and hitting every wall ?

Friends of mine, some of them have been driving for more than 15 years, can't "drive" more than 20 seconds without crashing.

I love GT5, no doubt (I wouldn't have a G27, right ?) but assists or not, it doesn't change much in my opinion, besides being tougher to turn, accelerate and all.

I think the assists should have a default, that way, we would have a stock car, with default tires and the assists it should have in real life, for example, all TVR would have no assists, no ABS, cars from the 40, 50, 60 and early 70 wouldn't have any ABS... stuff like that.

It would also be nice if we could also change gears on automatic cars that have that option in real life (like the Mazda 3, although not in the game technically, I'm sure the Mazda6, aka Atenza, or something like that has it).
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driving in real life and driving in GT5 is very different. Doing one doesnt mean youve mastered the other. Playing call of duty doesnt make you a soldier.
So your friends who have been driving for 15 yrs arnt at fault.

All assists help by slowing down your car so you can control it easily. Except Skid recovery. If you use the others you are driving slow...

Assists is something beginners can use to learn tracks and cultivate their skills, but it hampers performance and the fun factor.

If you think you have loads of fun with all assists on, play away...youll have double the fun with them off when you get the hang of it.
 
With a wheel the trick is perfection, and not getting into those bad situations that cause a spin.
 
I have g27 and had never, I repeat, never turned ANY assist on. All is off forever and ever happily ever after! :) and stay that way for 100 more years after that!

no fun for me to drive with assists.. and just to make my driving little more harder I drink some beer :D drink and drive, with no harm to anyone... sometimes I smoke, just to feel sense on speed :)) lmao

PS.. I'm not an alcoholic and drug addict!
 
That's just a matter of your experience on how to get your car within control of your hands in case of contingent happenings on your run, for safety reasons, manipulating a car with a slight auxiliary aid(including electronic aids) is surely safer than going with no such aids, all the more with the pad which requires the player to deliberately steer not to allow it get out of leash at almost every turning of a track.

However, since those aids do restrain the maximum movement of the car for safety, your lap time simply goes down. Driving without assists is harder as said above, but you'll have got a chance of improving your lap time dramatically once you get used to it.
 
Ben78
Sure is (recovering from a spin), but as much as this game is a "simulator", how come non-gamers or non-racing gamers are having a hard time keeping up a straight line and hitting every wall ?

Friends of mine, some of them have been driving for more than 15 years, can't "drive" more than 20 seconds without crashing.

I love GT5, no doubt (I wouldn't have a G27, right ?) but assists or not, it doesn't change much in my opinion, besides being tougher to turn, accelerate and all.

I think the assists should have a default, that way, we would have a stock car, with default tires and the assists it should have in real life, for example, all TVR would have no assists, no ABS, cars from the 40, 50, 60 and early 70 wouldn't have any ABS... stuff like that.

It would also be nice if we could also change gears on automatic cars that have that option in real life (like the Mazda 3, although not in the game technically, I'm sure the Mazda6, aka Atenza, or something like that has it).
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I had to get used to the wheel too. Plus someone that never played console or pc racing games before will not be used to the physics regardless of driving experience.

Also remember with the wheel as opposed to real life you don't get the feel of the car behavior right away. plus the pedal feel on the sim wheel is different from real life cars.
 
I have a G27 and found it fantastic.
I raced a G37 on Sports Softs around Spa the other night with some guys and made 1 mistake in the whole 3 hour race (apart from getting my pit strategy wrong).

I find the wheel brilliant to use and a lot faster than the pad with no aids on at all. The only aid i may use is the ABS set to 1.
 
When I got my DFGT I had no end of problems adapting, I was in the 30s for A spec' experience earned on the DS3 so it took a few hours to get the wheel working at all well for me.

So I switched on all of the aids and worked at getting used to the wheel. Now after a month or so of heavy use I only have Traction Control (Usually set at 1 but some high performance cars need a higher number.) and ABS at 1. All of the other aids are switched off. I'd expect to get the TC completely off some time in the next few weeks and the ABS to follow it later.

Once you're used to the wheel the degree of fine control it offers not just in steering, but throttle and brake control ,really makes a difference to how you drive*. But in the first few ours I found everything very difficult and questioned whether the wheel was working correctly, it was!

*I feel the DS3 rewards a very aggressive style of driving and I had a lot of cars set up to manage this, particularly the car was faster if it oversteered throttle off from entry to mid corner. I'm now gradually changing my set ups a more neutral balance to accommodate the wheel.

Finally the DS3 seems to allow recovery from spins and ending up head on into a barrier much faster than possible with a wheel. This is somewhat annoying once you are used to the unrealistic ultra fast recovery of the DS3 and you need to sort it out as you would in the real world, with a wheel. One tip from another forum member was to assign the flappy pddle gear changers to reverse, much easier than finding the Triangle on the wheel!
 
Tvensky
PS.. I'm not an alcoholic and drug addict!
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Then why did you feel it was necessary to bring it up when it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion?
 
To answer your original question OP, no, you are not the only one. Lots of people don't want to or may not have the time to put into the game to get real driving control over many of the games' cars, so if using the aids increases your enjoyment of the game go for it.
 
Sounds like you just need to give it some time. When I first got my wheel I was OK at getting around the track, but if anything started to go wrong it went into the fence. Now I can drift with it. It becomes second nature over time.

Also it takes time for people that have driven before but not in game to get used to it. I put my Dad on Autumn Ring Mini with the Lupo Cup car, we had a good laugh when he couldn’t drive it straight for the first 5 mins but he got there (albeit still 2 seconds slower than me:D) He said the main thing was that you can’t feel what your doing, when your going too fast. You only have your visuals and the FFB to go on.
 
The game behaves realistically... you just need to get used to the wheel.
 
Hey all, this my first post.

I havent played GT since GT1, and when i picked up GT5, I started the game with the control pad. Loved it so much, that I got the DFGT and the wheel immediately improved my game driving.

I loved driving with the DFGT so much that after a week i upgraded it to the G27 and it's just awesome. It took some getting used to, but as soon as I figured out that part of using the G27 was about keeping balance in mind with the steering and properly using the pedals, I pretty much have complete control of the cars. And, I turn off all assists too.

I have no issues with controlling the cars with the G27 and it's possible the guy who started the thread might have a faulty wheel.
 
Time is all you need, practice practice practice then more practice!

Most important for me, when I got a wheel and switched off aids, was throttle control, you can't just pump it on most cars or you will be in trouble... Treat it like you should treat a good woman; gently :sly:
 
If the game is more fun and enjoyable for you with assists turned on, then use them. Why ask what other people think about it?

I use a G27 too. I don't use the assists because it's fun for me to drive that way; not because someone else told me to.
 
Theres no problem using assist, almost all (real life) cars uses assist these days.
Start over your GT licences, you will get a feeling of what you can do with all the ammount of assist available. Can I go with 4 traction control around Lesmo, do I need ABS at the Schumacher S. How much wheel sensitivity i'm comfortable with taking indianapolis corner.

Always remember that you cant ask James May to race like the Stig. Its physically impossible, in real life and video games.
 
I spent 3 weekends in practice mode @ Laguna Seca, Nürb, and Spa with stock mid range cars on sports hard tires (specifically the new V12 vantage, Aventador, MP4-12C, and the '96 elise RM for no real reason) with aids off

The trick to ABS off is to ALWAYS TURN YOUR BRAKE BIAS TO 1, sometimes 0 in the rear

Now, I am actually a lot more competitive in shuffle races than before because I am on the bottom of the apex of a corner about 80% of the time because I am not overshooting my corners and I have very little understeer

It is amazing how much staying on the rubber groove helps in the handling, as mentioned before PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE

However, when I go into most shuffle rooms, BOOST is set to strong and people won't stop bashing, so that's when I highly recommend SRF and active steering and abs, just to be able to fight back
 
It's kind of a waste, and certainly doesn't make you look good. Might be time for you to learn how to drive with a wheel and without aids 👍 In real life I prefer aids off as well if it is possible to turn them off, even when there is no option to turn them off me and my friends have tried.

Just keep practicing. A lot of people are capable of it, so if they are, then you probably are too.
 
For me, aids kill the feel of the cars and make them arcade-like - especially SRF.

I think it's about adjusting your driving style; you have to be much more subtle with movements, unlike with a DS3 where you go lock to lock in an instant.

Eg, you can usually correct a bad RWD oversteer with instant full lock using DS3, but with wheel you can't get that so it's often more about throttle control.

I don't get to use my wheel that often, but when I do it does take a few laps to get back into it (been using wheel since GT4 by the way). I would say practice without and you should find it more rewarding.
 
Ben78
With the gamepad, no assists needed, ABS at 1, I can "drive" any car to the max, I even mastered the E-brake to take any corners without ever crashing, but with a wheel (G27), with no assists, cars go out of control WAY too easily, to the point where I think it's stupid and unrealistic.

Yes, I don't have that much experience with it (G27), but spinning out of control at 130 km/h on a race track... come on. I use stock versions with the default tires they come with. Right now, I'm driving an S2000 with no assists and it's like running on ice with running shoes. With assists on, wow, I can actually enjoy the game almost as if it was "real".

Yes, I do drive in real life and going 120km/h on the highway never sent me into the guard rail. Yes, cars do have assists, and the steering wheel doesn't feel like it's possesed by an evil spirit.

I love cars in GT5 that have less than 400 hp, I take them on the track and cruise as if it was a sunday's drive.
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You must have suck badly as a driver with totally no trottle control.
 
I'm a fairly good driver (placed in top five at local autocross first time out a few years ago) and I found it quite the learning experience with my g27. (using a wheel since launch with no aids) My thoughts on it are all the missing g-forces you would be getting from the car. So you basically have to learn to drive a "numb" car and read it from the steering wheel, sounds and your view.
 
JaySin85
I'm a fairly good driver (placed in top five at local autocross first time out a few years ago) and I found it quite the learning experience with my g27. (using a wheel since launch with no aids) My thoughts on it are all the missing g-forces you would be getting from the car. So you basically have to learn to drive a "numb" car and read it from the steering wheel, sounds and your view.
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Yes that's what I feel.

Driving my real car on wet and greasy roads is easier than driving on GT5 with RS and a dry road. Because you can feel when the real car starts to drift or a wheel starts to spin under power. Not that I drive like that all or even very much of the time.
 
Sounds like you suck using the wheel,practise more and learn how to control the cars.

With all the assists on its like driving a golf caddy...ie:not very fun at all
 
you realize many of the cars in the game have electronic assist systems in real life?
 
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