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Instead of condemning the violence as any sane person would
Sane people would have been condemning Kirk as a mentally ill cultist who advocates for the death of people he doesn't like and doesn't believe other humans deserve the same rights as white male christian nationalists do.

Instead, the US government had flags at half mast and he's posthumously receiving the highest medal a civilian can.
 
Sane people would have been condemning Kirk as a mentally ill cultist who advocates for the death of people he doesn't like and doesn't believe other humans deserve the same rights as white male christian nationalists do.

Instead, the US government had flags at half mast and he's posthumously receiving the highest medal a civilian can.
They also had a minute of silence for this vlogger at the NFL game. The same NFL that trump said has to stay out of politics. All this talk about left celebrating and going low…I mean, sure some people celebrate his murder (there’s much more right wingers who celebrate violence against the left/black/immigrants/lgbtq) Most just shrug and go on about their day. If left is only starting to go low, right has been 6 feet under with their morals for over a decade now.
 
Valhalla is reserved for great warriors and for those who died bravely in combat. And only half of them go there, the other half go to Folkvang*.

Those who died of other causes go to Helheim, also known as Hel (unless they died by drowning, in which case they go to live with Ran at the bottom of the sea).

In this case I suppose both of them would qualify for Hel, so he should have said "see you in Hel".

(* Not to be confused with Folkvagn, which is the Swedish name for Volkswagen.)
That's hysterically funny in its possibilities 👍

"I died bravely in combat and what did I get for it? A bloody Golf GTI!"

Or
"If only everything in life was as reliable as Valhalla"
 
It's appalling (but not at all surprising) to see how Trump is exploiting the murder of his so-called friend to advance his own odious political agenda. Trump was convinced the murderer was a left-wing extremist before the person was even identified - and although that may have been an obvious conclusion to jump to, it could just as easily have been/be wrong.

As others have said, it doesn't really matter what side of the political spectrum the murderer is/was - what is more alarming is the fact that Trump is using the incident to attack his own political opponents, irrespective of the killer's actual motive(s).

The wider question is how does a 'shy' and seemingly educated young man go from being someone who quotes internet memes to being a political assassin? That's something that both sides of the political spectrum should be addressing, and going all out to oppose political violence and the kind of hateful rhetoric, discourse and behaviour that inspires it. Tackling this question should start from the very top - and yet, the current POTUS and many more besides are doing the exact opposite, and that should worry everyone - alot.
 
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Who is this Fuentes you're talking about, Nick Fuentes? The white supremecist Holocaust denier? How exactly can that guy possibly be labelled a leftist?
Conservatives push the myth that the Nazis were left, and some even push the idea that Hamas and the Taliban are left. I don't think it would be too hard to spin it that way, especially given the media machine, and then throw in some antisemitism for good measure.
Fortunately, that will be bought by no one.

Fuentes has a long history associating with right wingers & even though some like Kirk ostracized him, others like Alex Jones continue to associate with him. He was there with Kanye when they met Trump. He was there during Jan. 6th. He had Marjorie Greene speak at one of his America First events. He's also extremely outspoken in his views; he hates immigration, he hates feminism, he hates gays, he hates abortion, he's full on whites only, pro-Russia, pro-Christianity ruling the government. MAGAs got some real dummies within' it, but most people aren't going to buy Fuentes is a radical leftist once all that information comes out, & he is the type who will vehemently come out & prove how he's not a leftist at all.

The only area he really breaks from Republicans is on Israel b/c the nut case praises Hitler & denies the Holocaust, so he's all in on the "Jews rule the world" train. On numerous occasions, that's been a major point of contention between & Kirk, that Kirk is a bought-&-paid for shill for Israel instead of promoting "America First".
I don't know, there's already a rift there and Fuentes has called MAGA "weaklings." He also said this on one of his podcasts (via Newsweek):

"You are fat, you are a joke, you are stupid, you are not funny, you are not as smart as you think you are," Fuentes said, later adding, "This entire thing has been a scam."

"When we look back on the history of populism in America, we are going to look back on the MAGA movement as the biggest scam in history," Fuentes said. "And the liberals were right. The MAGA supporters were had. They were."

"When we look back in history, we will see Trump as a scam artist who served as a vehicle for this rather than the other way around. We were not the vehicle for Trump, Trump was the vehicle for all of us," Fuentes added.


Anyone who doesn't agree with or like MAGA is going to be a leftist, even if that's not even remotely true.
 
Most popular "news" channel, that in theory is not considered "alt". Advocating for killing homeless people on live tv. I bet he won't even get fired for it.



@novcze let's see what you're going to say about this one. This is not some random person on reddit or xittler. This is live TV playing on public air. This is a grown man saying this.
 
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there’s a new level of low from the left: the reaction of some people to his murder. Instead of condemning the violence as any sane person would, they more or less openly celebrated it on social media.
What makes you think that's representative of "the left"?
 
Most popular "news" channel, that in theory is not considered "alt". Advocating for killing homeless people on live tv. I bet he won't even get fired for it.



@novcze let's see what you're going to say about this one. This is not some random person on reddit or xittler. This is live TV playing on public air. This is a grown man saying this.

Yeah, well
Those exist, but are a small bubble, kinda like there has crazy left wingers that openly defend russia from invade ukranie, they are just a crazy minority
Checkmate liberal.
 
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It's crazy how many conservatives are getting "This You?'d". They have also seemingly gone all in on cancel culture, granted I wouldn't be shocked if 99% of the phone calls and firings are just made up engagement bait.
 
Trump was convinced the murderer was a left-wing extremist before the person was even identified - and although that may have been an obvious conclusion to jump to, it could just as easily have been/be wrong.
I don't think it was a conclusion at all. I think he simply doesn't care about the guy's death at all. What Trump does care about is this is a fantastic opportunity to seize, and his "conclusion" was actually a call to action. Two days later he was more interested in providing a soundbite about the ballroom construction than answering questions about Kirk.

Conservatives push the myth that the Nazis were left, and some even push the idea that Hamas and the Taliban are left. I don't think it would be too hard to spin it that way, especially given the media machine, and then throw in some antisemitism for good measure.
It's true that the left-right spectrum is a scam and doesn't define anything well enough but how are we supposed to teach an entire country to use a Nolan chart when they can barely count all their fingers and toes?
 
It's crazy how many conservatives are getting "This You?'d". They have also seemingly gone all in on cancel culture, granted I wouldn't be shocked if 99% of the phone calls and firings are just made up engagement bait.
Don't make me tap that Dune quote again.
 
That’s surprising, since everyone expected the shooter to be from the radical left.
Wanted. I know. It was also the case here that "everyone" wanted (and some still do, like that bitch Derrick Evans from West Virginia from which I posted a screenshot up-thread) it to be the case given their political leanings.
And I do mean everyone
You may mean that but it doesn't reflect reality. I think you mean the subset [of the actual real everyone] that populate your cozy echo chamber and with whom you share a delusional worldview. That's more believable and explains a lot.
because even here Kirk was painted by some people as a far-right fascist/nazi
Oh. Neat. Honesty. More of that, please.

But that's just crazy, right? Because Kirk had (I'm still loving the past tense, by the way--it's a god damn beautiful thing) eXtReMeLy MoDeRaTe ViEwS.

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Yet it turned out to be an actual radical far-righter who murdered him.
Gosh!
btw. I don't know much about the Groyper meme, but in that photo he’s posing as a gopnik.
That's weird because I think I'm fairly online and the extent of my knowledge about groypers is that they're associated with Nick Fuentes (which is a very funny name, things considered) and I don't know an awful lot about that bitch but I am aware of a video in which the bitch is talking about baking "cookies" and how it takes a certain amount of time to bake "cookies" in batches and that there couldn't have been enough time to bake six million "cookies" so that number of "cookies" must have been made up...and I don't think he was actually talking about cookies. I think he may have been talking about Jews killed by the Nazis, and was focusing on a particular method they used to kill Jews and was asserting that that was the only method they used, denying that they used other methods, to craft a narrative in which the Jews that survived have lied about the total number of Jews that the Nazis killed. I should say that I saw this video posted online by an account bringing attention to it for its absurdity and callousness.

Anyway how is it that you know what kind of groyper this bitch was posing as? What part of the internet are you hanging out on? I think this is not exactly common knowledge, and I recently saw a chart illustrating search interest over time with a huge spike in interest as more information about the bitch has come out.

I'm just posting my impression.
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there’s a new level of low from the left: the reaction of some people to his murder.
What's new from the left is old hat from the right. It's so normalized that even very high profile politicians do it, and here's a sitting United States Senator (representing Utah, even) mocking the murder of Minessota Democratic lawmaker Melissa Hortman along with her husband and their dog.

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You might be thinking that it would be super cringeworthy for a member of Congress to have "Based" in the handle for their personal Twitter account so it can't possibly be the same bitch, but it is the same bitch, and also yes it is cringeworthy. Here's how the bitch previously responded to the incident, asserting without evidence that the perpetrator is a Marxist...much like you've done with Kirk's killer.

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But yeah go ahead and whinge/cry/sob that random leftists are doing it now.

Here's a more recent one from the bitch.

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No private party can petition for legal remedy for defamation on behalf of another, and the deceased can't legally be defamed, even if they can be colloquially, because there is no harm to be remedied--the bitch is dead. Lee certainly knows these things as a former law clerk for Justice Samuel Alito (one connie rat closely associated with another--shocker) and a one-time SCOTUS short-lister, but the bitch also knows its base is made up of the absolute stupidest bitches on the planet and would probably like to see King have to appear in court even to have the suit dismissed immediately.

What makes you think that's representative of "the left"?
Sinple political convenience.
 
@TexRex In the interest of fairness, gopnik is a Slavic meme from Slavic culture; squatting Slavs in Adidas tracksuits with the three stripes and wearing a flatcap predates the internet and is well known in Slavic countries such as Czechia, Slovakia, Russia, Serbia, Poland and so on. There are countless pages from Slavic pages and accounts that do nothing but post amusing pictures of people unironically and ironically in this classic, cliched outfit.

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I, like @novcze, also have no idea how it became part of this right-wing US culture war nonsense.
 
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have no idea how it became part of this right-wing US culture war nonsense.
I have no idea either, stuff just gets co-opted out of nowhere.
Source: very brief period a decade ago being on the very edges of it, have since learned and treated that period as non-canonical.
 
Some known delusionals are still trying to portrait the killer as a leftist no matter what. Facts doesnt matter anymore, everyone can elaborate anything.



However, the orange one himself seemed to understand they need to turn the page quickly once the killer didnt fit the needed portrait.



Now it seems that this killer doesnt deserve the same words or punishment that the psycho killer of the ukranian girl got?
 
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@TexRex In the interest of fairness, gopnik is a Slavic meme from Slavic culture; squatting Slavs in Adidas tracksuits with the three stripes and wearing a flatcap predates the internet and is well known in Slavic countries such as Czechia, Slovakia, Russia, Serbia, Poland and so on. There are countless pages from Slavic pages and accounts that do nothing but post amusing pictures of people unironically and ironically in this classic, cliched outfit.

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I, like @novcze, also have no idea how it became part of this right-wing US culture war nonsense.
Gotcha. And I appreciate that. I [mis]understood "gopnik" as relating to groyper...culture, I guess, but that feels wrong.
 
@TexRex In the interest of fairness, gopnik is a Slavic meme from Slavic culture; squatting Slavs in Adidas tracksuits with the three stripes and wearing a flatcap predates the internet and is well known in Slavic countries such as Czechia, Slovakia, Russia, Serbia, Poland and so on. There are countless pages from Slavic pages and accounts that do nothing but post amusing pictures of people unironically and ironically in this classic, cliched outfit.

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I, like @novcze, also have no idea how it became part of this right-wing US culture war nonsense.
For decades, at least in the mid-atlantic states, we called that an I-talian and eventually, the Russian business suit…

As opposed to hood rats which rocked the white T and jeans around the hips.

Different corner. Same game.

Speaking of which. I keep remembering whenever something messed up happened in the hood, people would explain it by saying he was “in the game,” and knew what he was getting into. Whenever i think of this Kirk stuff, that quote floats to the surface of my mind.

..tots and pears…tots and pears, indeed..
 
there’s a new level of low from the left: the reaction of some people to his murder. Instead of condemning the violence as any sane person would, they more or less openly celebrated it on social media.
Yeah big dog, because the right is well known for the condemning of violence on a liberal.
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Paul was attacked Oct. 28th, 2022. This was shared & made the press Oct. 31st. Charlie Kirk said a hero should bail the attacker out of jail.

Spare me your nonsense.
I don't know, there's already a rift there and Fuentes has called MAGA "weaklings." He also said this on one of his podcasts (via Newsweek):


Anyone who doesn't agree with or like MAGA is going to be a leftist, even if that's not even remotely true.
There's a rift for sure, but Fuentes just has way too much of a documented history of saying right wing things & associating with prominent right wing folks for anyone within' the conservative sphere to label him a radical leftist. It would be too easily refutable.
Most popular "news" channel, that in theory is not considered "alt". Advocating for killing homeless people on live tv. I bet he won't even get fired for it.



@novcze let's see what you're going to say about this one. This is not some random person on reddit or xittler. This is live TV playing on public air. This is a grown man saying this.

That's a very mentally ill thing to say Kilmeade.

Edit* A buddy just pointed out an interesting history lesson to me about this. Take a guess who else committed involuntary killing of disabled & mentally ill folks.
 
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Just saw a teenager, maybe a college age guy on the street corner “protesting” with a sign “Charlie let’s roll” Dressed into a Captain America suit with a freaking shield on his arm. These guys are nuts man.
 
Just saw a teenager, maybe a college age guy on the street corner “protesting” with a sign “Charlie let’s roll” Dressed into a Captain America suit with a freaking shield on his arm. These guys are nuts man.
So, what does he expect to take, when the White House is already taken?

Edit: Oh, one more thing. If Trump declares war, I guess that fuels his excuse for no more elections.
 
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