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Shimano Stradic

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Hi I am new here, but I just had to say, that this game is missing one little thing.

Lightweight American Cars

Neons/SX 2.0
Sunfires/Cavaleir
Asuna Sunfire(Okay not American but I want one LOTUS)
Focus
Escort(If you have driven the sport version you know why)
No Pontiacs... What a GTP is'nt sporty enough

Okay I need an SRT-4 at least.

Notice the sports car coming from american soil again.
www.srtforums.com

I would just like to see some nice American speed demons.
 
The SRT-4 wasn't out when GT3 was released. I do like the Asuna Sunfire (Isuzu Impulse here in the US) though. That was a cool car. A Chrysler Laser would have been cool too. Remember, though, GT3 is a Japanese game. Most of thouse cars (minus the Isuzu) are unheard of in Japan.

BTW, the Impulse's/Sunfire's suspension was tuned by Lotus. Thats all. It's not a Lotus, its an Isuzu. There are Lotuses in the game, check out the British car dealerships.
 
Will the SRT-4 start the Muscle revolution again, really I have to wonder. I just liked the clean looks of the Impulse/Sunfire it was mean and refined (I am Canadian by the way).
 
The SRT-4 is Dodge's way of copying FF Japanese performance cars like the Integra Type R. It's not a muscle car. Its a Neon with a hood scoop and a turbocharger.
 
Originally posted by cm108kph
The SRT-4 is Dodge's way of copying FF Japanese performance cars like the Integra Type R. It's not a muscle car. Its a Neon with a hood scoop and a turbocharger.
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Whoa. That's wrong. And I'm going to tell neon duke to come and tell you why.
 
I think that the whole "Its still a Neon" will hurt this car in the long run.

However, it is nice to see Dodge using their Mercedes connections. So much so that in Canada it is no longer called a Neon in Canada, it is now the SX 2.0(it looks acts and feels deffernent).
 
There is nothing new about recycling a body style. Think Barracuda.
 
Well, at least instead of stealing a Japanese car design this time (Dodge Stealth = Mitsubishi 3000GT) Dodge tried on its own.
 
Originally posted by cm108kph
The SRT-4 is Dodge's way of copying FF Japanese performance cars like the Integra Type R. It's not a muscle car. Its a Neon with a hood scoop and a turbocharger.
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even if it is just a neon with a hood scopp and a turbo it stills can do 0-60 in 5.8. i think i could settle for having just a neon that does that.
 
I think the SRT-4 is great! it's a big step for bang for the buck performance and i'd love to see it racing grand am SCCA and all that junk, but

WHO IN THE HELL WOULD CALL IT A MUSCLE CAR!!
ARE YOU NUTS? you obviously need to have your brain looked at....or taken out and replaced buddy!!:odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd: :odd:

*walks away shaking his head*
 
Originally posted by Shimano Stradic
Hi I am new here, but I just had to say, that this game is missing one little thing.

Lightweight American Cars

Neons/SX 2.0
Sunfires/Cavaleir
Asuna Sunfire(Okay not American but I want one LOTUS)
Focus
Escort(If you have driven the sport version you know why)
No Pontiacs... What a GTP is'nt sporty enough

Okay I need an SRT-4 at least.

Notice the sports car coming from american soil again.
www.srtforums.com

I would just like to see some nice American speed demons.
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i think you should look up your definition on "american muscle" those cars should have never been made, but since the market was demanding smaller cars like the imports, these companies had to supply these cars to (first) gain more money, and (second) to even out the compition. And hardly any of the cars are manufactured fully in the states.


:lol: hey check out my american "lightweight" muscle car that has an import engine! :lol:
im sorry but that is hilarious
 
Gran Turismo 4 should satisfy anyone's hunger for classic and modern American muscle cars. Also consider that this is a game produced in Japan and heavily infuenced by the Japanese market, both for video games and for cars.
 
Originally posted by cm108kph
The SRT-4 is Dodge's way of copying FF Japanese performance cars like the Integra Type R. It's not a muscle car. Its a Neon with a hood scoop and a turbocharger.
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Actually, the SRT-4 is nothing more or less than a radical update to Dodge's own hot turbocharged FWD cars. Ever heard of an American geezer named Carroll Shelby? You're probably too young to even recognize any of these cars:

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Please note that I showed mostly pictures of fast American cars turning, which they are capable of, contrary to popular belief with the under-21 Japanamaniacs. Nonetheless, any car in those pictures is easily capable of running 12-second quarter miles for well under $5000, including cost of the car!

These cars were all produced by Dodge between 1982 and 1992, so maybe there's a remote possibility that the Integra-R was copying them? I know that's a painful concept to grasp, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger...

Unless I'm mistaken, and the holy Integra Type R was actually introduced in 1982 or so? Didn't think so.

If you want to make fun of the regular Neon, go ahead, but you'll be wrong. It dominated SCCA road racing from the moment it hit the track in 1994 until they changed the rules so Hondas could win in 1999. Ask yourself this: in Showroom Stock racing, why is the 160-hp Civic Si classed in with the 132-hp SOHC Neons, instead of against the 150-hp DOHC Neons?

Answer: so they can win.

And out of curiousity, why is do you get a chubby when the Japanese turbocharge something, but when Dodge does it, it's just a Neon with a hoodscoop and a turbocharger? Never mind that fact that you're wrong; the car has much more done to it than that. The hoodscoop is made fully functional with 5 minutes work and some weatherstripping, by the way, and it was designed that way. I think that's cool, but of course, Japan didn't think of it, so I must be wrong.

You can look at it as "just a Neon with a hoodscoop and a turbocharger" if you want, but I'd rather look at it as a Neon with 230 hp and 250 pounds of torque, stock... with an additional 15 horses and 15 pounds available to bolt on for about $300.

Show me a mighty Japanese 4 cylinder car with a list price of $21,000 or less that makes those kind of numbers. Hell, show me one that makes anything like as much torque as it does horsepower, no matter what the HP number is.
 
Originally posted by anthonysinatra
hey check out my american "lightweight" muscle car that has an import engine! :lol:
im sorry but that is hilarious
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I don't really care about the J-bodies, but please do enlighten me about what part of the Neon is imported? If you tell me the engine is, I'll laugh in your face.
 
I used to think the old Omni GLH (Goes like Hell) and the GLH-S (Goes Like Hell Somemore) were the ultimate sleepers. Dang fast li'l cars. Forebears to the SRT Neon.
That particular Neon is the first Mopar of the latest generation I would consider owning.
Or I could pay the same money and buy a Three year old Honda.
 
Classic Dodge Fungly Cars:

Might not look the best, but will smoke anything you put up against them. (Within a certain price range of course.)

I'm in the Hunt for a Turbo Van, yah, you know what I'm talkin bout. Ever see a minivan smoke a Camaro? Teehee!! :D
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Show me a mighty Japanese 4 cylinder car with a list price of $21,000 or less that makes those kind of numbers. Hell, show me one that makes anything like as much torque as it does horsepower, no matter what the HP number is.
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I can show you a European one...

Ford Focus 1.8 TDCi; £13,000 (new); 116hp, 230lbft.
 
That's cool. Though it does only qualify for my second challenge, with that hp number.

Turbo vans - like this one? 12.61" at 105 mph...

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Plenty more to see here.

PS - from my long post it might seem like I have no respect for Integra Type Rs. Actually, I do have a great deal of respect for them; they're great cars. I just think that a certain segment of the population needs a little more exposure and education.
 
Can't beat turbodiesels for good torque figures :D
 
Lets start from the top:

My definition of American Muscle is performance ready out of the box, this means drag and road race capable. Mopar has always been the leader in this(Yes even during the 80's-90's, with the Shelby Laser and Charger).

Did you know that this is not the first time Dodge made a relitively lightweight performance(read muscle :lol: ) car? Oh you thought that all Muscle cars were heavy, boats? Well check out the Dodge Dart, it was a drag car out of the box, and could be had for a decent price.

Carroll Shelby, hero in a hat as far as I am concerned, built and designed performance cars(also made for one great Biography), and held the record for fastest production, until the Porsche finally beat him(even then it still looked better than the porsche).

Price? Dodge always had a choice for those on a budget.

So I can defend what muscle is and what it will be. Muscle is American bred power, power to weight ratio can be across the board(another point for the Dart as it had a weight reduction built in).

So there is another car needed for GT4, the 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger.

Oh yeah one more thing they actually were available with what some consider to be the best built engine ever. Which was the Slant 6, it was a workhorse, without a lot of size. It lasted forever, and sounded nice as well.


Also see 60's super stock's and Dodge demon's little known car but very nice with actual race and drag option.
 
Originally posted by Shimano Stradic
Muscle is American bred power, power to weight ratio can be across the board
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So it's not possible to have a non-American car which is also a muscle car? Because the Aston Martin Vantage V600 fits more or less any definition in my mind for a muscle car.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Actually, the SRT-4 is nothing more or less than a radical update to Dodge's own hot turbocharged FWD cars. Ever heard of an American geezer named Carroll Shelby? You're probably too young to even recognize any of these cars:

Please note that I showed mostly pictures of fast American cars turning, which they are capable of, contrary to popular belief with the under-21 Japanamaniacs. Nonetheless, any car in those pictures is easily capable of running 12-second quarter miles for well under $5000, including cost of the car!

These cars were all produced by Dodge between 1982 and 1992, so maybe there's a remote possibility that the Integra-R was copying them? I know that's a painful concept to grasp, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger...

Unless I'm mistaken, and the holy Integra Type R was actually introduced in 1982 or so? Didn't think so.

If you want to make fun of the regular Neon, go ahead, but you'll be wrong. It dominated SCCA road racing from the moment it hit the track in 1994 until they changed the rules so Hondas could win in 1999. Ask yourself this: in Showroom Stock racing, why is the 160-hp Civic Si classed in with the 132-hp SOHC Neons, instead of against the 150-hp DOHC Neons?

Answer: so they can win.

And out of curiousity, why is do you get a chubby when the Japanese turbocharge something, but when Dodge does it, it's just a Neon with a hoodscoop and a turbocharger? Never mind that fact that you're wrong; the car has much more done to it than that. The hoodscoop is made fully functional with 5 minutes work and some weatherstripping, by the way, and it was designed that way. I think that's cool, but of course, Japan didn't think of it, so I must be wrong.

You can look at it as "just a Neon with a hoodscoop and a turbocharger" if you want, but I'd rather look at it as a Neon with 230 hp and 250 pounds of torque, stock... with an additional 15 horses and 15 pounds available to bolt on for about $300.

Show me a mighty Japanese 4 cylinder car with a list price of $21,000 or less that makes those kind of numbers. Hell, show me one that makes anything like as much torque as it does horsepower, no matter what the HP number is.
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Well the EVO's and STi's come to mind really quick for making torque equitable with their hp figures. As for the pricing of these vehicles..... They have a lot more to over than a simple transaxle with no LSD. I respect these things in straight line power and speed......... but until they take the time to make a damn good all around vehicle I will still think of them as pure straight line cars. I have no disrespect for American cars... I just happen to think the Japanese do a better job of producing quality vehicles.

As for Honda's. Greatly overrated... yet at the same time the are dogged by everyone...... they have damn good torque numbers for motors their size. A 1.8liter motor making over 130lbft with a very flat torque curve. The hp numbers from their motors are absolutely insane for being from the factory, and to carry the reptation as being damn reliable cars with motors that are wrung out to 7,8, and some times 9k RPM's is another great accomplishment. Another thing we would be without if it wasnt for Honda. Viscous couplings........ first employed in those AWD civic station wagons. Now look at how wide spread their use is.
 
Actually, the thought occurs I just bought a car for £3250 that covers neon's second class:

Mazda MX-3 1.8 V6 - 140hp, 160ftlb - don't ask me what the new price was, but she's a 1998 model, so not THAT old... Of course, she's not a 4-pot though.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
That's cool. Though it does only qualify for my second challenge, with that hp number.

Turbo vans - like this one? 12.61" at 105 mph...

hall_paul_van.jpg


Plenty more to see here.

PS - from my long post it might seem like I have no respect for Integra Type Rs. Actually, I do have a great deal of respect for them; they're great cars. I just think that a certain segment of the population needs a little more exposure and education.
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Those Vans are cool. My mom just got a new Truck and I bought Mom's old Town&Country. 3.8 V-6(or maybe its a 3.9, i never looked). Anyway, me and some friends are going to pull the engine and build it up for MORE POWER!!!!!
 
The 1991-1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 200 Horses, 200 LBS of Torque. The J-SPEC 3S-GTE made even more, hows that for a Japanese 4 Banger 2 seater? Out handle it, I dare ya...
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Actually, the SRT-4 is nothing more or less than a radical update to Dodge's own hot turbocharged FWD cars. Ever heard of an American geezer named Carroll Shelby? You're probably too young to even recognize any of these cars:

You can look at it as "just a Neon with a hoodscoop and a turbocharger" if you want, but I'd rather look at it as a Neon with 230 hp and 250 pounds of torque, stock... with an additional 15 horses and 15 pounds available to bolt on for about $300.

Show me a mighty Japanese 4 cylinder car with a list price of $21,000 or less that makes those kind of numbers. Hell, show me one that makes anything like as much torque as it does horsepower, no matter what the HP number is.
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Honda doesn't make turbo 4's. we have to do that ourselves. But if you want a motor that'll do it, then look to the family car, the accord. The F22B - 2.2L SOHC VTEC, when turboed can make 230hp and 250ft-lbs at the wheels on stock internals.

Toyota and Nissan Don't make turbo 4's over here but they are used quite a bit in Japan.

The FWD Turbo dodge's have been and always will be the best bang for the buck. I mean you can't beat the equation of: cheap ass car + decent motor + turbo for not much money.

When the japanese do it they always cost more cause the use well built cars to start with but they tend to be RWD or AWD.
 
Originally posted by Lachean
The 1991-1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 200 Horses, 200 LBS of Torque. The J-SPEC 3S-GTE made even more, hows that for a Japanese 4 Banger 2 seater? Out handle it, I dare ya...
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MR2s are great cars, but I believe the second-gen turbo cars were substantially more expensive than the SRT in comparison to average car prices of the day.

And I'll autocross against your MR-2 anyday - as long as we're both carrying 4 passengers.
:D
 
Lets see, 2 seats, four passengers, cones, AHHHH... How about you vs me, you'd prolly win, im still learning the car... but my car vs your car (same skilled driver)..... :O
 
Hijacking the thread just to say that German owns all...

:D :D :D
 
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