American Vs, Japanese Vs, European

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This is not your favorite manufacters thread and i propose something different. What region has the best cars and what region has the most potential . My thoughts?

America cars do not suck, yet they are weak and well it is the truth. Sure america had the Dodge Charger and Shelby's but lets talk about the present. Some could argue that American cars are much better yet you can't beat facts.

American cars are not dependable where Japanese cars are. Also Japanese cars have more potential because they can be customoized better. While America has their Mustangs, Vipers and Corvettes, Japan has became famous over night with their Skylines, rx-7s, supras and more. Also while Americans cars NOW have some muscle a lot of people llike to gaze yet never buy, while Japanese cars get more praise even with their less impressive stats and smaller size.

European Cars factor in here too, yet thats a whole other story and i will post on it later.

Like the Initial D Problem thread i will start to make threads that will challenge the members to think and explain. so who is better in your eyes and who has more potential. Explain and support with facts. Also do NOT USE Classic Cars, as those are not contemporay.
 
No offense to you but some of your fact are mixed up in all three catagories. I'd also like to state everyone is on the same level of performance. America cars arent underpowerd, your just not looking in the right place...

First of all lets eliminate all the cars except the actual performance versions. Do that and everyone is about equal. You cant really measure who is best since everyone has both pro's and con's so its just impossible. :banghead:
 
Oh and just an add on, I have found the reason why alot of people argue over who has better cars is because of 'Rice-Boys'. Its not racial and it doesnt reffer to Japanese people. It really just explains people and what they do to their cars (which arent always Japanese).
www.riceboypage.com
Its funny what some people would do, I reccomend reading everything so you dont get the wrong message by accident...
 
SunDogg: Whatever you say... :rolleyes:

askia47: I appreciate the effort you're making to post threads worthy of discussion, but this one is a little off the mark. Each area has made fantastic cars, each has made crap cars. There are pros and cons to the auto industries in each of the areas you mention, and there are pros and cons to the individual manufacturers even. You just can't logically generalize about the national origin of so many different cars.
 
this thread should be closed. this is the same as the other, but you state your opinion as a fact. it is your opinion, period.

american cars are not dependable? baseless opinion

"Japan has became famous over night with their Skylines, rx-7s, supras and more."

It didnt happen overnight fella. just because you are just coming of age to read superstreet and scc and they endlessly praise japanese cars does not mean it happened overnight. the skyline has been in the nissan line for a very long time. rx-7 has been here for the whole 90s while rx-3 and such came before them. that is hardly overnight.
 
advanR you should do some reasearch on American Cars. Ford has had to many defects in their vehicles, and american cars have been critized for quite some time over seas and here. any way neon duke is right about one thing, no one is interested in disscussion like topics...sad really as you yourself advanR want to close this thread and not give it a chance. it's sad and unbelieveable that no one can hear some one out before critizing..
 
They are all good in their own way. But if I had the money I'd sure buy a Ferrari or a Porsche. ;)

I also don't like Supras or Skylines(except for the GTS-T), my faves are the old Japanese ones, like the Cefiro and the 180... I don't know much about American cars but I like the ones like the Corvette, Mustang and Camaro ;)
 
can't say that one continent makes the best cars...but in my opinion some one said eariler that american cars have power and people just gaze and never buy..that has some truth. Viper 100,000? no lol who has money for that? Japanese cars are not as powerful but have there pros same with Euro cars. (european cars look the coolest though :lol: )
 
I have open ears. If you have something else to say, then say it. I was just responding to your first post. Which stated that american cars are weak and unreliable. Just as you cant generalize a whole countries automobiles as "sucking", you cant do the same for saying they are weak and unreliable. Is a viper or c5r weak? is a pt cruiser unreliable? see what i mean?

there are too many cars made by america to say that they are all this or that. some are this, some are that. they all are not any one thing (except made in a similar country).
 
My point exactly. The only reason to make posts like many of the ones above is because you have a pre-determined cultural bias, and you're trying to justify it somehow. If you like Japanese things, of course you're going to like Japanese cars. But that doesn't make them better; it just means you like Japanese things in general.
 
Originally posted by askia47
Some could argue that American cars are much better yet you can't beat facts.
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Well, since you've not posted the facts, I can make a clear obvious judgement about the first post in this thread...

It's wrong.

Judge cars by merits not by the country they come from.
 
Originally posted by askia47
advanR you should do some reasearch on American Cars. Ford has had to many defects in their vehicles,
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About two years ago several top-level Japanese Subaru exceutives were either thrown in jail or just about thrown in jail because they refused to do anything about the Legacy's brakes when they knew the brakes to be defective. ALL CAR MAKERS HAVE PROBLEMS.

I drive a German SUV and it is the most problematic car I've ever owned. It's three years old and its starter has gone out, its bumper has fallen off, and its entire rear tailgate has had a wiring short. The English SUV I had for two years was second-worst. Again, merits -- and facts -- rather than the country of origin.

sad really as you yourself advanR want to close this thread and not give it a chance. it's sad and unbelieveable that no one can hear some one out before critizing..
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Well, when you pretend your opinion is a fact as you've done(or when you give a fact but completely ignore other sides of the issue), you're bordering on stupidity.
 
Heres the bottom line:

generalisations

American cars = big engines, powerful, roomy, ****ty interior and build quality, poor reliability and old technology(pushrods haha)

European cars = very good quality, usually powerful, nice interiors, good design and looks, a bit pricey

Japanese cars = small engines usually, a bit powerless, great reliability record, effecient, cheap, sometimes a bit on the conservative/boring side
 
Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
Oh and just an add on, I have found the reason why alot of people argue over who has better cars is because of 'Rice-Boys'. Its not racial and it doesnt reffer to Japanese people. It really just explains people and what they do to their cars (which arent always Japanese).
www.riceboypage.com
Its funny what some people would do, I reccomend reading everything so you dont get the wrong message by accident...
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That's an old site....
 
Well first off American cars don't lack in technology. Pushrods aren't outdated, I'm pretty sure they are still producing some serious numbers. Lets see the Corvette Z06 pushing 405hp and the Viper pushing a little over 500 ponies. Hmmm seems good to me.

Anyways every region has its crap cars and its good cars.

Like in America I mean come on cars like the Focus and any Saturn. In Japan all those little boxs and other minis like the Honda Beat or Logo. And from Europe some VW's and Jags. These are pretty crappy cars from all over the world.

I could go on on and say good cars from the world but it would take a long time...well I'll just say a few. America has the Vette. Japan has the 350Z. Europe has its Benzs.

So all regions build **** and all regions build quality. So I guess I could just say this is a pointless debate.
 
Originally posted by zeroly32
can't say that one continent makes the best cars...but in my opinion some one said eariler that american cars have power and people just gaze and never buy..that has some truth. Viper 100,000? no lol who has money for that? Japanese cars are not as powerful but have there pros same with Euro cars. (european cars look the coolest though :lol: )
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Seeing that Dodge has sold every one of their Viper's, alot of people have that money...
 
Originally posted by askia47
advanR you should do some reasearch on American Cars. Ford has had to many defects in their vehicles, and american cars have been critized for quite some time over seas and here. any way neon duke is right about one thing, no one is interested in disscussion like topics...sad really as you yourself advanR want to close this thread and not give it a chance. it's sad and unbelieveable that no one can hear some one out before critizing..
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So your saying that American cars suck just because of the performance of ONE company :rolleyes: ?
 
I like American cars, good settings helps any car out. I think that the American cars, since everybody wants to dis it, is just as equal as Japanese and European cars.
 
Well guess what.........
While parts of the data said here is true, one region is better than another

sorry to say this frustrated palm but all american companies have problems plain simple and it's pretty much a damn fact. European cars are a tad pricey, and Japanese cars are more reliable than american car companies. is that right or wrong?

Here is the heirarchy of which region has the best vehicles

Japanese
European
American
Korean
That is A DAMN FACT. Deny it and that is your opinon and not fact.
Each region has it's own problems but America has the worst. Not all american cars suck yet the majority rules. Plain simple.
 
Well, well, what a topic. I'm suprised that this topic didn't start a flame war. But, anyway, I like Japanese better. The reason why is because of the fact that their ideas are amazing . They can get close to a thousand horse power out of a small v6 or over 300 hp out of a 2 liter engine. After that american cars come in a close second. while euros dont even come in.
 
european cars are worse than japanese cars? and thats a fact right? hahaha. how can you classify one region better than another? to use an extreme example......... I dont think japan has an answer to the mclaren f1 or mercedes clk-gtr. f40, f50, gt2, gt1, m3. I could go on and on, japan doesnt have a car to rival any of these. but I wont be one to say that european cars are way better than japanese ones. Whatever floats your boat.

all you kiddies think that skylines are god because thats what you read in superstreet. as you can see in gt3, make a 1000hp gtr and you have a really fast drag car. take it on a road course and the car completely lacks the aerodynamics for the power to be useful. the car is also very heavy, and rwd is definately the best setup for going fast. awd leads to understeer and unnecessary added weight.

this is a joke. we have already pointed out these are your damn opinions and in no way actual facts.

This isnt the right thread, but I will take the chance to point out that most of my favorite cars come from europe.
 
Originally posted by askia47
Well guess what.........
While parts of the data said here is true, one region is better than another

sorry to say this frustrated palm but all american companies have problems plain simple and it's pretty much a damn fact. European cars are a tad pricey, and Japanese cars are more reliable than american car companies. is that right or wrong?
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WHOA! American companies have problems. Whereas Japanese companies are perfect in all regards. You rule, askia, though I suggest changing your username to assbackwards47.

Here is the heirarchy of which region has the best vehicles

Japanese
European
American
Korean
That is A DAMN FACT.
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Facts have sources. Can you quote a credible source for this piece of misguided horse **** other than your head?
 
Originally posted by advanR
is definately the best setup for going fast. awd leads to understeer and unnecessary added weight.
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True, but remember, Skylines are primarily rear-drive unless wheels begin to spin.
 
So where does Holden/HSV, and Tickford/Ford AU come into which is better picture? I did not know that Bob Lutz us to work for BMW. No wonder he's changing GM for the better!

Kristof
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
Well first off American cars don't lack in technology. Pushrods aren't outdated, I'm pretty sure they are still producing some serious numbers. Lets see the Corvette Z06 pushing 405hp and the Viper pushing a little over 500 ponies. Hmmm seems good to me.
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first pushrods are very old technology, and second i didnt say old tech couldnt make power, it can. i just said they still use alot of old technology.

and now you people are saying that certain regions' cars are better than others. I believe each region excels in certain areas, and no one regions' car is better. i think japanese excel in reliability and quality. european excel in great fit&finish and of course some great design, and american cars excel in making easy power and recall reports :)
 

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