Another chinese car brilliantly fails crash test

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JohnBM01
Think about it like this. There's a huge number of people in China. Hugely overpopulated. Would these automakers trust these cars to hold up in China? I still think China's trying to get on the right foot. All they have to do is build better and stronger cars. Winning in the world market means you have to build winning cars. Brilliance (and these other companies) need to try to build cars better. Their economy is growing, so why don't their efforts in making better cars? China will need to have some European or even American involvement in making these cars better.

What do these Chinese manufacturers need to do to fare better in crash tests?
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They need to get their asses together, take apart a Volvo or Renault, and study them carefully. Then, invest in real metal parts rather than cardboard from the M3 CSL's rear trunk (Didn't one of the companies even plan a car named M3?). Construct crumple-zones, thicker metal around key components, reinforce the doors - and then, actually take one of the cars and crash it on their own, see the results, and modify accordingly. This test was so bad, I assume the Brilliance engineers watching were just "Huh? So that's what happens."


I'm willing to accept fall-apart-after-a-week DVDs. But some things do have a limit. Safety in cars, and the cleanliness of food, for example.
 
I think the Brilliance BS6 is brilliantly designed. Most of you will agree that this is one of the most decent-looking cars since some of the models we've seen in the past. Bland to most people, but at least there's style to it. Anything that isn't as ugly as a Saab or most recent Pontiacs (except the Solstice) is fine with me. The BS6 kind of has a Skoda front. Not that I particularly know recent Skoda styling.

The main deterrent here is that the car isn't safe. Isn't built right. Speaking of Chinese cars and brining them to the US, isn't Bricklin trying to bring Chinese autos to the US? Here's what I was thinking. If they're going to sell cars in the US, why don't they build some factories here in America so that American makers could build these cars to greater specifications and enhanced safety? Virtual unknown cars in America will have to be up to some rigorous standards. The Europeans and most Asian car companies have done quite well with their cars in the States. I don't know about European standards, but you certainly need a quality car to be accepted among American buyers. We drive even some of the cheapest-priced cars hard- most of which can take it. China just has to explore their options and put driver safety in mind like some of their Asian counterparts such as Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, and even Proton. The Proton Impian got three stars out of five in Europe's NCAP program. If Proton can get at least three stars, imagine the damage China can do when it all comes together nicely. For proof of Proton's good numbers on the Impian, follow this link: < http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/proton/proton-impian-guide.asp >.
 
That's an insult to Skodas. Maybe it looks like a Daewoo Lanos. Or the recent crop of ugly Lancias. But Skodas look acceptable by modern standarts.
 
Note that the driver's head manages to hit the dashboard after wiggling its way past the airbag. :lol:
 
I apologize for the Skoda comment. Forgive me. I just didn't know what car that I could recall the Brilliance BS6 sort of resembles.
 
Race Idiot
Oh china when will you learn cutting corners like this will not net you customers in other countries. Also didn't they manage to make a copy of an isusu rodeo chassis crash test worse than the original? Because thats got to be an achivement.
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Was the Rodeo really bad? I wouldn't have thought so. I used to drive one, the thing was friggin' tank. A tank with spare tire and airbags.
 
3-Wheel Drive
Was the Rodeo really bad? I wouldn't have thought so. I used to drive one, the thing was friggin' tank. A tank with spare tire and airbags.
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Take a look for yourself. Keep in mind that's a Landwind, built to their own standards.

I'll add something to my original post; the car is reflecting the very philosophy of just about every chinese company: make money. It's seen in just about every chinese company nowadays - very recently a toy line was recalled because paint containing lead had been used, just to save costs.

I don't think the chinese automotive industry, or any chinese company for that matter, will improve until they review their philosophy and vision of what they want to do. The video of the Brilliance's test was laughable at first, but the more I look at it, the more I realise that if they (the industry as a whole) don't do anything about it, their money-making schemes will severely backfire at them. Poor crash-test results like this can occasionally result in some new safety legislation, but a row of them will most likely guarantee a whole new rulebook, full of rules which will hamper the chinese advance onto the western markets.
 
This is scary since a few Chinese car manufacturers are planning to enter Australian territory in the next few years (apparently half-a-year after the revitalised Indian brand, Mahindra, and it's utes attempt to sell around here).

I personally hate the idea of Chinese vehicles; they are incredibly ugly, cheaply-made and do nothing but attempt to destroy local car manufacturers (Under 14k for a brand-new car is going to have all the potential hair-dressers in hysterics). But I guess, in a sense, they do provide laughter; I soon await the day that someone flips over the car revealing a small print on the undercarriage reading 'Made in China'.
 
a6m5
Somebody said "cutting corners", and I believe that is the current policy of Chinese industry. You hear about their food to toothpaste making people sick, in some cases die. I haven't seen the video, but I believe that the Chinese can build safe cars, if they actually cared to. I'm convinced that they just don't give a damn, not right now.

At least for next decade or so, they will keep on producing crap, shipping them out. Chinese production have so much momentum right now with not much competition. They can almost always get away with it. With cars, as long as videos like these keep circulating, I'm guessing that they'll just find another way to "cut the corners".
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They don't care because they don't know the difference. Having known quite a few Chinese, from various walks of life and from various parts of the country, I've come to realize a few things. The primary problem is the People's Revolution, when more than 90% of the educated populace was imprisoned, punished, or outright killed. The rest remained or were encouraged to become ignorant farmers and factory workers. This was Mao's twisted interpretation of communistic thinking. That left hardly any educated people to do real scientific research and engineering, thus most "ideas" were cheap copies of everyone else's technology. Cutting corners became a way of life for two reasons: it had to get done quickly, and they didn't fully understand what they were copying to begin with. Look up the impending disaster of China's extensive dam system as an example of this.

What this means is that it's going to be much more than just 10 years before China gets up to speed. It's going to require a complete change in their thought processes before they can even get started on the right path.

** Don't be confused by exchange students academic acheivements. China is very information-starved. The ones who come here are like ravenous drifters coming to a Christmas feast.



Gingiba
They need to get their asses together, take apart a Volvo or Renault, and study them carefully.
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No. They need to put the engineers in the car and use them as the crash test dummies. That should light a fire somewhere.... Nothing motivates like imminent death.
 
harrytuttle
it had to get done quickly, and they didn't fully understand what they were copying to begin with.
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I just wanted to clarify on that "cutting corners" point, as this is exactly what I'm talking about. I believe that they can build safe cars and still be profitable. If they can't copy the technology, they can buy it. There are a lot of struggling auto makers all over the world, they'd be more than happy to $hare the know-how. I believe that Chinese companies does not care to acquire the technology, they do not want to pay for the technology. "Cutting corners".

Great post, btw. Very nice points. 👍
 
The Chinese have been lowering standards by making cheap products for a long time. That's what the "made in china" tag means to most of us, "cheap and replaceable". But people don't buy cars that are made badly. It's one of the few areas where people really do care about quality.

In retrospect, it makes sense that they would try something like this. It follows from the basic business philosophy that put them on the map.

Make children's toys out of metal? No no no, we can make it badly out of plastic. It'll only last for a few months, but your kid will be done playing with it by that point anyway.

^That philosophy works. It uncovered the fact that people don't actually care about the quality of quite a few products. But cars... well... people still do care about the safety of their cars. After all, when it's your ass on the line you tend to get interested.
 
So, this did (far, far) worse than the Landwind from a couple of years ago, yet it still managed to score higher. That makes me worry less about the car and more about whether or not the Euro NCAP has drastically lowered their standards.
 
harrytuttle
No. They need to put the engineers in the car and use them as the crash test dummies. That should light a fire somewhere.... Nothing motivates like imminent death.
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One dead crash tester is just another dead Chinese, something they have plenty of.
 
Danoff
But people don't buy cars that are made badly. It's one of the few areas where people really do care about quality.
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Alfa Romeo, FIAT, Citroen, Peugeot, Renault, MG, Rover

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Exchange "made badly" with "poor safety" in Danoffs post and it's closer to accurate.
 
Famine
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Citroen, Renault

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Objection.
Many older Citroens, XM and such are comfortably running into the 200k's.
Yeah, electrical and interior problems surface often these days, but the engines are still no less reliable than what you could get from say, Mitsubishi or Vauxhall.
 
Danachronism
Objection.
Many older Citroens, XM and such are comfortably running into the 200k's.
Yeah, electrical and interior problems surface often these days, but the engines are still no less reliable than what you could get from say, Mitsubishi or Vauxhall.
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It's funny, because I can't remember the last time I saw a Citroen XM. Or indeed any of its contemporaries - BX, AX, Visa...

What's even odder is I know of four people who had them - including ourselves.
 
Yeah, European Fords are climbing that tree quite nicely, and some of the models - while not being quite German in interior quality - are screwed together extremely well indeed. Considering the volumes they shift, I'd put them probably at the top for build-per-cost.
 
Dave A
One dead crash tester is just another dead Chinese, something they have plenty of.
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:lol: That's harsh. Funny, but harsh. But considering there's precious few engineers, fear of one less engineer should make more of an impact.

I hope.
 
You really have to wonder, don't you? Will all of the incredible advancements in safety even since the 1960's, this car performs that badly?

...A 30 year old Volvo would probably do better with half the frame rusted completely off...

I'm going to call it:

The car performs so badly in the NHTSA test that the Federal Government bans the sale of the vehicle on US soil, the Chinese cry foul, and we give them the bird for trying to pass off this poop-tastic piece of cardboard with wheels.

...Brillance may as well sell us an old Radio Flyer filled with broken glass, some rusty nails, a few M80s and firecrackers, and maybe a bit of arsenic and a handgun while they're at it...

Has anyone see the footage of the crashes they have in China? Its outrageous!






(I'm pretty sure they died)

With the amount of accidents they're having, you'd assume they'd do better.
 
There's your answer to why it performed so badly. Notice most of the accidents were car vs pedestrian? At least if you get hit by a Brilliance you will probably come out better than the driver will!
 
Until this point, I had only heard how big of a issue auto accidents are in China. It's almost like they are not comprehending traffic laws. Wow.
 
Hmm... yeah. I'm pretty sure asian's shouldn't have been shown what "the car" is after watching those vids. Geez... :scared:

I feel ashamed to be asian atm.
 
a6m5
Until this point, I had only heard how big of a issue auto accidents are in China. It's almost like they are not comprehending traffic laws. Wow.
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It's not just China. Things like this are common in India, Africa, Russia. The web is just loaded with stuff like this from all over. This is what happens when you give modern technology to 3rd world populations. China is still a huge mass of peasant farmers, incredibly uneducated and painfully unaware of what modern city living is like. In most of those accidents, I guarantee you that neither party was looking at anything outside of what's directly ahead of them. This worked when it was dirt roads and 99% bicycle traffic, but obviously not when there are 4-lane intersections are involved.

Evidence of this pervasive ignorance is everywhere. If you have a Chinatown where you live (New York is a perfect example, but San Francisco works, too), spend an afternoon there and really watch people. The people of lower income who work & shop there are -- generally -- exactly like they are in China/Indonesia/etc.. Watch their behavior in respect to the people around them. Then picture them driving cars on the same street you're on. It's insane.
 

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