are 500 PP online races grounded by N tires?

are 500 PP online races grounded by N tires?

  • yes

    Votes: 9 39.1%

  • no

    Votes: 12 52.2%

  • not sure (see comment)

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
the Interceptor

the Interceptor

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Dear GTP members,

it's nice to see some change in the online events Polyphony Digital provides us with. They try out a lot of things, and (hopefully) are watching what goes well and what doesn't.

I remember having some really great races on Suzuka 500 PP when the tires were free to choose for those races. With one of the later online updates, the tires became set for every specific race. For the 500 PP pro races, N tires are the only option to go for at the moment. And since this has been introduced, I see a lot less people racing in these classes. For sure, racing a car with N tires is a challenge, and challenges is what this game is about. Yet, I personally think that the 500 PP class should be on grippier rubber, such as the 600 PP class (S tires), which still is attended very well.

So what's your opinion on this? Have the N tires scared you out of the 500 PP races, or is this increased level of difficulty for a welcome change?

Please vote in the above poll, but also feel free to leave a comment.

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the Interceptor
 
GTP_chemicaL
They should unlock the tires on all events.
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When the 600pp class had unrestricted tires, a good lap time was ~2:12 at Suzuka. Once they forced it to be S2, a good lap time with the same pp level increased to the ~2:17 range.

At a minimum, this means that the pp cost of tire class is far too low a value. If they are going to lift the restrictions, they'll need to rebalance the PP cost of tires.

Or they could just leave it as is, which is fine by me.
 
I answered yes. I used to do 90% of my racing in 500PP, they were always very close races, there was a wide range of cars that could be competitive (I won in the Integra, Mini, Elise, Swift, Alfa, Atenza, Integrale, Focus, Mk4 and Mk5 Golfs... probably others too).

Now, I only race in 500PP about 10% of the time, with 600PP taking the majority. I still enjoy the odd 500PP race, but it's nowhere near as fun as it used to be. I can't enjoy the actual racing if I'm struggling for grip so much.

This isn't sour grapes either - I still win quite often when I do dip a toe back into 500PP (I win more 500PP than I do 600PP), but I just enjoy it much less now. And the competitive car choice has been slimmed down - in the Elise before, you could off-set the power defecit because it could take the corners so quickly - now it has no grip or power. My favourite fun car now has no races to compete in.
 
N1 tyres are still waaaay too grippy to make this class interesting.

Maybe some ice on the track would help me stay awake long enough to at least finish a lap :grumpy:
 
P3nT4gR4m
N1 tyres are still waaaay too grippy to make this class interesting.

Maybe some ice on the track would help me stay awake long enough to at least finish a lap :grumpy:
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Don't worry, just don't race there ;) Everyone else seemed to be getting on fine without your presence when the class allowed racing tyres :sly:
 
I love the 500PP events on N tyres and I'd race there a lot more often as I come across some decent guys there. The reason why I don't do the 500 races so much anymore is that it's impossible to get a 3 player or more race. Every single race I've done in the 500PP events for the last two weeks has been a 2P battle and quite simply a 2P battle is either going to swing one of two ways unless you're with a decent driver. Either you slaughter him or he slaughters you and the competition simply isn't there.

500PP isn't suffering from tyre classes, it's just suffering from lack of interest. If it was easier to find a matchup, I'd race the 500PP events gladly. London is great fun at the moment, but racing there with the same guy for two hours doesn't put a smile on my dial like racing with 6 or 7 guys at 600 Suzuka!
 
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I will say this..I used to hate the tire restiction..but then I realize it made me x10 better against most of the Non-GTP. I have not raced in PP500 very often simply because the tracks are boring/far and few, not many GTP race there and when I do go there I get punted more than anywhere else..

Having a tire restriction forces a good driver to be defense with their car. It helps a good driver learn how to recover from loss of traction much easier. Over time it teaches a good driver to be pacient.
 
Chadwicksracing
I will say this..I used to hate the tire restiction..but then I realize it made me x10 better against most of the Non-GTP. I have not raced in PP500 very often simply because the tracks are boring/far and few, not many GTP race there and when I do go there I get punted more than anywhere else..

Having a tire restriction forces a good driver to be defense with their car. It helps a good driver learn how to recover from loss of traction much easier. Over time it teaches a good driver to be pacient.
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Agreed. When there were no restrictions, racing techniques in the 500pp and 600pp races didn't matter much because we had loads and loads of grip. With restrictions, the lower grip levels force us to actually follow proper lines in order to stay competitive.
 
I don't think it has killed the 500pp races. I had a lot of good 500pp races on N3s over the past couple weeks. I wish more people drive London though! Overall I don't mind the tire restrictions except for two points.

I don't especially like being forced to use only a single tire grade. An entire range would be nicer. Most specifically, I had the old Lancia tuned to be extremely fun with tires on the rear which were 1 to 2 grades hard than the fronts depending on the course, and would like to still do so (N3s front, N1s or N2s rear). So I would, for example, prefer the races to be "Normal tires only", "Sports Tires only" and "Racing tires only".

Another problem is that at least one car, the Ferrari 512, was reasonably competitive in 600pp class when you could use Racing Tires, but it is now almost impossible to really compete with. I still end up driving it in the 600pp races more than any other car simply because it is my favorite car in that class to drive, but I almost never pull off a win that way... So it would be nice if they fixed the pp system so it was more balanced.
 
The N3 tyres seem pretty right for the London 500pp course, and certainly teaches you to keep your driving smooth. That said, I've seen some people drifting the corners with a reasonable degree of sucess. I'm watching them do it in my rear view mirror though, so smooth does seem to win over drifting :)

Hey AERO_HDT, our time zones are not so different, so hope to catch up with you. I think I'll be at London pretty much exclusively for this series of races. I did get in some really good races last night with 4, 5 and 6 cars on the course, so some people are definately turning up.
 
I first started doing the 500 PP on pro after the tire change was done, so i dont know what it was like before. I used to drive on standard as i am pretty new to driving games.

Anyway i like it as it is now for me its a challenge although there arent uasely many other players in this cathegory. I win a lot of the races i am in even with my mediocre skills. Now moving onto 600 PP wich is quite a step up for me. Its fun though, although the competition is a lot harder compared with 500 PP.
 
i agree, the only reason i don't race 500's is because no one is there, i actually like racing on the N's. it just takes to long to match and there's not enough people on the grid when it does match.
 
N grade tyres add to the realism of the cars that you use in the 500pp races.

I managed to have about 6 races on the bounce last night with the same 5 people and it was very close from start to finish. I suppose the solution could be that anyone who likes racing on 500pp (preferably london:sly:) to choose that event. Then people will see that it is a worthwhile event and they will join too:tup:
 
They might be better with S3 tyres. But N-Tyres do feel pretty real for these low powered machines.
 
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