Are GT1/LMGTP cars balanced?

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I want to make a league using the GT One, CLK and F1 GTR. From what I researched, the difference between them in Suzuka, with the BOP activated, is 1.6s (Favorable to CLK, With the GT One in last place ). At the Nürburgring, with the BoP deactivated, the difference is 10s (The GT One is the fastest with the CLK being the slowest). This left me confused. I don't have all of them to test, just one

Note: The BoP used in the Suzuka session was that of September 2024, probably before the recent changes.
 
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They won't be balanced without BoP - the GT-One will be significantly faster because LMGTPs were significantly faster than GT1s. You can see this from their base PPs - the GT-One is 830-ish while the two GT1s are sub-800.

With BoP... it's complicated. Basically, the way PD BoP is that the newer cars are generally decently well-balanced with each other, and then older cars are made worse to get people to use newer cars. So in Gr.2, the three 2016 GT500s and to an extent the RS5 are pretty well balanced with each other, but they care less about the 2008 GT500s and the '90s LM cars beyond "make sure they are worse than the 2010s cars".

It probably won't be well-known how balanced they are just with each other, because there's zero incentive to ever run them over a 2016 GT500 car whenever there's a Gr.2 BoP race, so nobody does.
 
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They won't be balanced without BoP - the GT-One will be significantly faster because LMGTPs were significantly faster than GT1s. You can see this from their base PPs - the GT-One is 830-ish while the two GT1s are sub-800.

With BoP... it's complicated. Basically, the way PD BoP is that the newer cars are generally decently well-balanced with each other, and then older cars are made worse to get people to use newer cars. So in Gr.2, the three 2016 GT500s and to an extent the RS5 are pretty well balanced with each other, but they care less about the 2008 GT500s and the '90s LM cars beyond "make sure they are worse than the 2010s cars".

It probably won't be well-known how balanced they are just with each other, because there's zero incentive to ever run them over a 2016 GT500 car whenever there's a Gr.2 BoP race, so nobody does.
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Considering these cars are hardly (Rarely even) used for Online competition the way GR.3 and GR.4 are, I don't think PD really apply the same mindset considering NONE of them are technically relevent (Hell, the 2016 GT500 cars weren't even relevent by the time they got added to GT Sport).
 
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I think it'll be VERY track specific. Not sure if you are using your own BOP or PD's (which can be wonky for anything not GR.3 or GR.4), but I could do some testing since I do have all three.
 
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I think it'll be VERY track specific. Not sure if you are using your own BOP or PD's (which can be wonky for anything not GR.3 or GR.4), but I could do some testing since I do have all three.
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Could you test them on a fast track and a slow track with BoP active? Sure, if it's not too much to ask.
 
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So I have just conducted the test with BOP on, decided to use two US tracks that are barely changed layout wise from how they were around 1997-1999: Laguna Seca and Road Atlanta. Here's the results:

Mercedes CLK LM (581 HP)
Laguna Seca: 1:18.600
Road Atlanta: 1:14.560

Toyota GT-One (566 HP)
Laguna Seca: 1:20.047
Road Atlanta: 1:15.051

BMW Mclaren F1 GTR (602 HP)
Laguna Seca: 1:19.166
Road Atlanta: 1:14.440



Test 1: The Mercedes is unsurprisingly the quickest at Laguna Seca. It just feels mechanically the sharpest around this tight little low speed track, which is not too far off its dominant pace here in period circa 1998 (Not even the talents of Allan Mcnish could save this movie from going the way it did). The Mclaren is second, its surprisingly decent but you can feel how less polished it is. That front end just lacks that sharp feel of the Mercedes (Its especially exposed at the Corkscrew), but otherwise its not bad and that power keeps it just close enough on the few spots I can stretch its legs. The Toyota is at the bottom and its not hard to see why: That car was singlehandedly made for one track only and Laguna is far from it. It feels like it just stalls in the slower corners, requiring much more brake and what feels like far more wheel lock. It just doesn't belong on a track that is the Road Course equivalent of a Bullring.

Test 2: The Mclaren is the quickest here. Handles the faster corners much better at Road Atlanta then at Laguna Seca, still is handicapped in the slower spots but that power basically saves it as soon as it gets to the straights and at a Mid-Speed track like this, it matters alot. The Mercedes is second quickest but not by much, it retains that Mechanical sharpness in the corners so it manages to keep the gap close by the time the straights show up. The Toyota is again the slowest, its actually decent here since its abit closer to the type of circuit its built for but its the power that let's it down this time (Not helped by Turn 10 being its Achilles heel, allowing the other two to power away)

Hope that helps.
 
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RACECAR
So I have just conducted the test with BOP on, decided to use two US tracks that are barely changed layout wise from how they were around 1997-1999: Laguna Seca and Road Atlanta. Here's the results:

Mercedes CLK LM (581 HP)
Laguna Seca: 1:18.600
Road Atlanta: 1:14.560

Toyota GT-One (566 HP)
Laguna Seca: 1:20.047
Road Atlanta: 1:15.051

BMW Mclaren F1 GTR (602 HP)
Laguna Seca: 1:19.166
Road Atlanta: 1:14.440



Test 1: The Mercedes is unsurprisingly the quickest at Laguna Seca. It just feels mechanically the sharpest around this tight little low speed track, which is not too far of its dominant pace here in period circa 1998 (Not even the talents of Allan Mcnish could save this movie from going the way it did). The Mclaren is second, its surprisingly decent but you can feel how less polished it is. That front end just lacks that sharp feel of the Mercedes (Its especially exposed at the Corkscrew), but otherwise its not bad and that power keeps it just close enough on the few spots I can stretch its legs. The Toyota is at the bottom and its not hard to see why: That car was singlehandedly made for one track only and Laguna is far from it. It feels like it just stalls in the slower corners, requiring much more brake and what feels like far more wheel lock. It just doesn't belong on a track that is the Road Course equivalent of a Bullring.

Test 2: The Mclaren is the quickest here. Handles the faster corners much better at Road Atlanta then at Laguna Seca, still is handicapped in the slower spots but that power basically saves it as soon as it gets to the straights and at a Mid-Speed track like this, it matters alot. The Mercedes is second quickest but not by much, it retains that Mechanical sharpness in the corners so it manages to keep the gap close by the time the straights show up. The Toyota is again the slowest, its actually decent here since its abit closer to the type of circuit its built for but its the power that let's it down this time (Not helped by Turn 10 being its Achilles heel, allowing the other two to power away)

Hope that helps.
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So I think I can only use the F1 GTR and the CLK, the GT One is too bad for any other track.
 
Just on that sample size alone with the BOP on, I would say so. I know its likely not what you wanted but if this is pattern so far on both low speed and medium speed BOP, Seems like the Toyota is gonna struggle between how sluggish it is in the slower corners and that power deficit on faster portions.
 

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