Are petitions really allowed?

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I don't usually take issue with moderator decisions, but this is just too much.

Jordan said petitions were allowed. So I decided to try and get one going, and I would have sent it to PD if TB hadn't decided he suddenly doesn't like them. He has ignored the PM I sent him, containing a link to Jordan's declaration.

Wishlist threads where people voted on cars and tracks they'd like to see as DLC have been permitted to survive before. Those threads were dead ends, and never had a chance of being seen by a developer. Meanwhile, when I try to do something that might actually affect the future of GT, guess what happens?

What is going on here?
 
This thread never had time to become spammy.

And NO the feedback system does NOT count, it's just a disparate collection of ideas which has no more chance of being read by a developer than any of those threads I mention. The purpose of the petition was to collect the major wishes of the community into a single document which would be sent directly to Polyphony Digital.
 
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This thread never had time to become spammy.

And NO the feedback system does NOT count, it's just a disparate collection of ideas which has no more chance of being read by a developer than any of those threads I mention. The purpose of the petition was to collect the major wishes of the community into a single document which would be sent directly to Polyphony Digital.
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That's basically what the feedback section is. The popular ideas people want will be on top if PD do ever happen upon it. I'm guessing PD gets tons of emails every day so chances are your petition would just get overlooked.
 
Ah, but I planned ahead for that too. I have been given the contact details of everyone on the PD board of directors. An email is too easy to brush off anyway. When someone takes the time to send you hardcopy, you know they're serious.
 
White & Nerdy
Jordan said petitions were allowed. So I decided to try and get one going
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I won't address what Jordan did or did not mean in the post in question, but I read it as more or less "don't bother."
White & Nerdy
I would have sent it to PD if TB hadn't decided he suddenly doesn't like them.
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It has nothing to do with if I like something or not. It has everything to do with, as I stated in the thread, we've been over all of it time and time again, regardless of what you're planning on doing with the information.
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He has ignored the PM I sent him, containing a link to Jordan's declaration.
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Ignored? So the very second I receive a PM I have to address it? While I certainly try to do that, the fact of the matter is I also have a family to take care of. I worked all day. I (surprise, surprise) like to look around GTP. I would like to actually have a few minutes each day to play GT5. I was planning our route to take my son to his Cystic Fibrosis appointment today. Ignored? No. Busy? Most definitely.
 
Petitions are not expressly forbidden (and I think it should be emphasized we are using the term "petition" quite loosely here), they're just often redundant and not particularly productive or interesting. Use the advanced search to dig up threads containing "petition" in their title, and confine your search to the GT series forums here for many examples of what I am referring to.
 
I think the very nature of a petition is that you're willing to give up something in return.

Otherwise, it's a glorified demand session.
 
What do you mean?

If the only thing you're worried about is that it might impede productive discussion, it could be run at an offsite space, assuming public awareness of it is kept fairly high.

Actually, I could see a lot of uses for an offsite space.
 
My point is that most online petitions rarely make any sort of demand (do this, or I'll do that). Use the suggested area of the site, otherwise it's going to get lost (or possibly locked) in the shuffle.
 
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When is PD ever going to read that section?
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The there's your problem. We were not created to be some kind of hotline to Polyphony - we are here to discuss the games first and foremost. We have no connection to them, official or otherwise. We are a fansite, and our involvement with them begins and end there. While we do believe that they come onto the forums, no member of the staff has ever made themselves known to us (for obvious reasons). We cannot say with any certainty when they come or how often. Between the addition of the GT5 Feedback sub-section of the site, and the way we can offer no guarantee that Polyphony will see your thread, much less act upon it. Especially when petitions tend to be very spammy, loaded with replies along the lines of "Signed!" or "I'll agree to this". As such, petitions tend to be quite useless.
 
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Ah, but I planned ahead for that too. I have been given the contact details of everyone on the PD board of directors. An email is too easy to brush off anyway. When someone takes the time to send you hardcopy, you know they're serious.
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So what are you going to do? Barge in on their meeting, defecate on the conference table then give them your petition and walk out? If your hardcopy didn't get shredded at the door, I'd be surprised.
 
It's called mail.

Yes, I have the relevant details.

If it gets shredded, at least we tried.

If it doesn't, think of the possibilities.

If you really think the mile long list of ideas that is the feedback section would be more effective than a concise document, I guess I can't change that.

The original intent was to provide hard evidence of what we, as a community, want from the future of GT. If you'd rather leave the feedback section there and hope against hope someone with authority sees it, then fine. At least I tried to do something, rather than sitting and whining where no one who can make a decision will ever see it.
 
Nevertheless, that it what the Feedback section is for. You are more likely to get a response discussing things there than by creating a petition on the forums.
 
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