Arguments about what's considered a Street Car has gotten very stupid

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I want to say before I get into the matter at hand, that this is truly not a complaint about not being able to drive something that can have an advantage over other players. I clearly understand why lobbies who want to have street legal cars only are very scrutinizing because many have a tendency to pull out the GR3s and GR4s if given the chance to. I am not one of those players at all. With that disclaimer out of the way, let's get into the topic.

I am someone who prefers playing in lobbies where modifications are completely restricted and generally love driving road cars or production vehicles over race cars. However I haven't been able to drive some cars lately in these lobbies because players are strongly accusing me of wanting to either drive something overpowered, or that it's a race car still. The 2 cars I've so far experienced this headache with the most, is the Ford GT40 Mark I '66 and the Radical SR3 SL '13.

I put the screenshots here to show that these cars have the #Road Car tag attached to them. While I understand that not every single thing with this tag is necessarily okay, like the #VGT or #Concept Car tags for example. These 2 examples should at least be acceptable in the lobbies. But no, I get people arguing with me that these are race cars anyways, and they don't even care to wonder if these cars are even street legal. To many, if it looks a lot like a race car, then it is one. This experience has made me genuinely miss playing with some of my old friends back on GT5 and GT6 because they would completely be okay with running these cars in such lobbies.

This makes me wish that in the future, GT7 can implement a feature where cars can be regulated based on the hashtag labels these cars are stuck with. Let me know what you guys think.
 

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I get the argument for the Radical as they are basically road legal race cars/track day specials & do not have a race version because the the cars they register for the road are identical to the ones they race.
As for the GT40 that is a road car developed from a race car & as such will differ significantly from the race car. It will need suspension upgrades, gearbox, diff, aero etc to make it perform as a race car so I can't see why they would take issue with it.
 
They are race cars in all but name. And they are massively OP for a true roadcars lobby. You say you don't want to be THAT GUY, but driving these cars makes you THAT GUY.
Same goes for any GR3 or GRB car with a road car version, any concept, any VGT. Just because PD labels it a roadcar doesn't mean it is.
 
RSClio182
They are race cars in all but name. And they are massively OP for a true roadcars lobby. You say you don't want to be THAT GUY, but driving these cars makes you THAT GUY.
Same goes for any GR3 or GRB car with a road car version, any concept, any VGT. Just because PD labels it a roadcar doesn't mean it is.
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But they are road cars. If they're road legal and built for the road, they're road cars.

The Gr3 road cars are an exception since they're not real, and as such of course haven't been declared road legal.
 
RSClio182
They are race cars in all but name. And they are massively OP for a true roadcars lobby. You say you don't want to be THAT GUY, but driving these cars makes you THAT GUY.
Same goes for any GR3 or GRB car with a road car version, any concept, any VGT. Just because PD labels it a roadcar doesn't mean it is.
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Thing is I barely had the opportunity to really see if they are an issue in terms of being too dominant. Like sure if they're overpowered and you don't want them for the fact it could be too dominant, sure. But to not want it simply because of the street legal matter isn't the same in my eyes. Like the Radical has never been in a GT game until now, where in the world am i gonna be able to drive that thing? In a lobby full of "anything goes"?
 
Samus
But they are road cars. If they're road legal and built for the road, they're road cars.

The Gr3 road cars are an exception since they're not real, and as such of course haven't been declared road legal.
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And the FXXK? Labelled as a road car. Old bill would have your license if you took that for a blast down to Tesco. Aston Vulcan?

I don't even think these cars are allowed on actual racetracks because of the noise of them.
 
gator of kana
I want to say before I get into the matter at hand, that this is truly not a complaint about not being able to drive something that can have an advantage over other players. I clearly understand why lobbies who want to have street legal cars only are very scrutinizing because many have a tendency to pull out the GR3s and GR4s if given the chance to. I am not one of those players at all. With that disclaimer out of the way, let's get into the topic.

I am someone who prefers playing in lobbies where modifications are completely restricted and generally love driving road cars or production vehicles over race cars. However I haven't been able to drive some cars lately in these lobbies because players are strongly accusing me of wanting to either drive something overpowered, or that it's a race car still. The 2 cars I've so far experienced this headache with the most, is the Ford GT40 Mark I '66 and the Radical SR3 SL '13.

I put the screenshots here to show that these cars have the #Road Car tag attached to them. While I understand that not every single thing with this tag is necessarily okay, like the #VGT or #Concept Car tags for example. These 2 examples should at least be acceptable in the lobbies. But no, I get people arguing with me that these are race cars anyways, and they don't even care to wonder if these cars are even street legal. To many, if it looks a lot like a race car, then it is one. This experience has made me genuinely miss playing with some of my old friends back on GT5 and GT6 because they would completely be okay with running these cars in such lobbies.

This makes me wish that in the future, GT7 can implement a feature where cars can be regulated based on the hashtag labels these cars are stuck with. Let me know what you guys think.
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The GT40 was a Homologation special.
Rules for the race series stated you needed to produce X amount of road versions.

The Toyota Yaris GR, NIssan R390 are such homologation specials.

The KTM X-Bow, BAC Mono, Radical SR3 are just track focused cars that can be registered for road use as they have lights and turn signals.
A dirtbike can not be registered for road use due to it not having turn signals
 
Can see both sides here. Going by tags in game, you're well within your rights to claim they;re road cars. But also not surprised people are kicking off seeing them being wheeled out in 'street lobbies'.

Probably worth avoiding them to keep the 'peace' otherwise will probably end up having same debates/arguments each time you use them and people will discredit your driving skills if you beat them.
 
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RSClio182
And the FXXK? Labelled as a road car. Old bill would have your license if you took that for a blast down to Tesco. Aston Vulcan?

I don't even think these cars are allowed on actual racetracks because of the noise of them.
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The FXX-K isn't road legal, no. I was referring to the two cars in the OP.

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Neither is the Vulcan.

It's not too hard to google cars and find out their real status. I agree you shouldn't go by the in-game tags if they're that off, no.
 
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Also for the record, I would clearly not be using the FXX and Vulcan in those lobbies unless the lobby owner gives it an OK. But I shouldn't be asking permission to use the 2 cars I mentioned in my original post.
 
Samus
How are they not? A Ferrari 488 is a road car. It's a car built for the road. Just happens to be a very fast one.
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Yes, can open can of worms, on where to draw the line if you want to get into 'nitty gritty' of it. Even had debates with people in the past about M3's being more track aligned, that happen to be legal to use on roads. I'm not saying they aren;t road cars, but some question if strictly a 'road car' due to amount of sport tuning, parts etc. This was nothing to do with discussing video games either.

It then brings in things like AMG GT Black Series, which is street legal as far as I know.
 
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Samus
Well it depends on the context. If the lobby is just for "Road cars" then it shouldn't be a problem. If the creator wants to be more restrictive, they need to say so, or set it so.
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Exactly this, they need to find some way to clearly state it before I even enter, that such cars are not wanted
 
B80
Yes, can open can of worms, on where to draw the line if you want to get into 'nitty gritty' of it. Even had debates with people in the past about M3's being more track aligned, that happen to be legal to use on roads. I'm not saying they aren;t road cars, but some question if strictly a 'road car' due to amount of sport tuning, parts etc. This was nothing to do with discussing video games either.

It then brings in things like AMG GT Black Series, which is street legal as far as I know.
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If a car is road legal, it's a road car. That's really the end of it.
 
Samus
Well it depends on the context. If the lobby is just for "Road cars" then it shouldn't be a problem. If the creator wants to be more restrictive, they need to say so, or set it so.
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nothing wrong with adding the hashtag supercar along with road car
 
Samus
But they are road cars. If they're road legal and built for the road, they're road cars.

The Gr3 road cars are an exception since they're not real, and as such of course haven't been declared road legal.
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Yeah, those track-toys mentioned are concidered as roadcars. But take a tuned-up -67 Chevrolet Nova or the Wicked Fabrications custom 1951 Ford. Modified yeah, but still roadgoing, just not in this foolish game. Other custom-builds, like AMG or Shelby are off course roadcars, but not these old classics. Grow up Kaz
 
Perhaps 'road car' needs a modifier adding:
road car - production
road car - supercar
road car - hypercar
road car - street tuned
road car - race tuned.

but might cause confusion and further split the lobbies...
 
NickGuy
nothing wrong with adding the hashtag supercar along with road car
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That hashtag doesn't exist in the game, but there is a #Hypercar tag, BUT that tag is only given to the FXX K and the Vulcan from what I see so far. Other cars like the Mclaren P1 GTR and the Pagani Zonda R have the #Racing Car tag. So it definitely seems like they're categorizing them accordingly

Edit: I did see the Lamborghini Veneno have the #Hypercar tag as well, but I know that one is clearly street legal... odd...
 
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Hazel
Perhaps 'road car' needs a modifier adding:
road car - production
road car - supercar
road car - hypercar
road car - street tuned
road car - race tuned.

but might cause confusion and further split the lobbies...
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Tyreregulatios catches up this
 
In GT Sport, I drove a plain color F1 GTR and Cayman GT4 in traffic lobbies. Lobby admins never bat an eye to me whenever I drove them, mainly because they seem to know I am pretending to be a F1 LM and a road-going Cayman, respectively.
 
The question here is also whether you'd be ok with the Porsche Strassenversion or not.

Personally I think it's fine, if they satisfy the PP requirements (if any) in the lobby then crack on, they're all street legal and thus are road cars.

Vulcan and FXX-K are separate cases and, IMO, should be considered in the same bucket as the Zonda R.
 
I haven't gone through them all, but if they're street legal (pass all the safety requirements, turn signals, etc.) then they can be considered road cars IMO.
 
It's up to the law to say what qualified as "road car".

And yes, the British legislation is too permissive. Because they need to keep their kit car garages afloat. It doesn't make any sense to drive a Caterham on the road anymore. A bike is smaller, lighter, quicker, and probably even safer.

On the other hand, there's quite a few "race cars" in the game that are no more than road cars with some bits removed. The entire Gr.4 class is one such example. Among the classics you can find more.
 
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HyperSpeeder
And yes, the British legislation is too permissive.
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In what way? What do you believe is permitted that shouldn't be? What additional legislation would you create to reduce the problem your perceive?
 

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