Atheists-- Perceptions

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When you say "atheist", many people think of of bad, immoral people. Even if you don't think to quite that degree of severity, many (if not, most) religious people still think that atheists don't have as a high-quality life as they do.

My question is: WHY?

Why do you people think this... just because our opinions differ from yours?

(Note-- I'm not attacking the religious community (and notice my use of the word "many", not all)... I would just like to see people's opinions on this subject.)
 
I think the reason for that is because it appears that atheists don't have anyone to answer to for their actions, with the exception of laws and their own guilty conscience. You don't think you will be rewarded for your actions after death, and you don't think you will be punished for your actions after death, so it appears as if you would not hesitate to do either good or bad.
 
no. it makes religious people look bad, they would probably do whatever the **** they wanted if they didn't have an almighty lord because they're too stupid to know any better, religion is a way of controlling the stupid.
 
Originally posted by Jordan
I think the reason for that is because it appears that atheists don't have anyone to answer to for their actions, with the exception of laws and their own guilty conscience. You don't think you will be rewarded for your actions after death, and you don't think you will be punished for your actions after death, so it appears as if you would not hesitate to do either good or bad.

It's a good point, well made. The thing is, how does this differ from Catholicism and confessions? We are taught that Christianity is about forgiveness, but that you've got to live your life properly, or it's straight-to-hell for you matey.

I think that a lot of people are negative towards atheists because a lot of atheists can be quite dismissive of religion. Also, people who do believe in god (small 'g' to denote any deity-based religion), tend to get into arguments with people who do not believe in god. Such friction necessarily causes a degree of antipathy.

Perhaps some religious people put aside their own sense of morality, preferring to act in a way which they feel will please their god. Of course, this is often the same way that a morally-sound atheist will also behave, although they will not attribute the same behavioural patterns to a desire to please a deity.
 
Well, for one thing, I only know 3 true athiests, and all 3 of them are complete and total @ssholes.

1) All 3 of them are very intelligent, but completely full of themselves.

2) All 3 of them think religious people are just stupid, and they feel the need to "prove" that God doesn't exist. Now how do they try to do this? All kinds of scientific mumbo-jumbo, basically. Plus, they make sure to put in as many 23 syllable words as they can think of too.

3) All 3 of them have tried to profit by someone's death, 2 of them were trying to profit from a family member's death.

4) All 3 of them constantly try to manipulate the people around them, even family members.

There's more, but that's all I can remember for now. The point is, these 3 are probably not typical of all Athiests, but they're the only ones I've really been exposed to. And I know a lot of "religious" people do these things too, and they are complete and total @ssholes too. Big deal. It's just that a lot of people tend to come off as arrogant, and a lot of people are complete and utter @ssholes, and those are the ones people remember, whether it's some peaceful athiest getting attacked by some idiot calling down lightning from the sky to destroy the infidel or a quietly religious person getting insulted for wearing a cross necklace. Nobody notices the ones who don't cause any trouble, it's the firestarters that give everyone a bad name.
 
Originally posted by Jordan
I think the reason for that is because it appears that atheists don't have anyone to answer to for their actions, with the exception of laws and their own guilty conscience. You don't think you will be rewarded for your actions after death, and you don't think you will be punished for your actions after death, so it appears as if you would not hesitate to do either good or bad.

Good point, although today I would say that athiesm is well within the majority for children (or, extremely relaxed religion). I think America is growing up as athiests, personally. Naturally, it also has a lot to do with where you live in the country.

Generally, the only people who perceive athiests to be bad people are old-fashioned types or very religious types. Mostly in each case these people drive domestic cars and are Republicans, a generalisation which comes true very often. I know no one, with the exception of neon_duke, who owns an American car and is liberal or atheist/agonstic.

I don't believe that athiests knowingly or constantly try to disprove the existence of a god, but many athiests find it ridiculous that someone can look up to a 'God' with no proof at all of its existence. Meanwhile, believers find it absurd that an athiest can look up to no-one at all and tell them that their god does not exist.

Although athiests and non-athiests can get along very well, when a discussion turns toward religion, leave the room - it often gets petty and personal fast.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Good point, although today I would say that athiesm is well within the majority for children (or, extremely relaxed religion). I think America is growing up as athiests, personally. Naturally, it also has a lot to do with where you live in the country.

Generally, the only people who perceive athiests to be bad people are old-fashioned types or very religious types. Mostly in each case these people drive domestic cars and are Republicans, a generalisation which comes true very often. I know no one, with the exception of neon_duke, who owns an American car and is liberal or atheist/agonstic.

I don't believe that athiests knowingly or constantly try to disprove the existence of a god, but many athiests find it ridiculous that someone can look up to a 'God' with no proof at all of its existence. Meanwhile, believers find it absurd that an athiest can look up to no-one at all and tell them that their god does not exist.

Although athiests and non-athiests can get along very well, when a discussion turns toward religion, leave the room - it often gets petty and personal fast.
True, very true... however, one of the things that I'm trying to get at is the stereotypes that are associated with atheism... for example, I can't tell anybody but a select few friends that I'm an atheist... those who I have told that aren't in that select group become very disillusioned, and tend to be a little suspicious of me afterwards. :shakehead This goes for some of the "not-so-religious" types too.

Another example: I'm in Boy Scouts, and I can get kicked out if I reveal that I'm an atheist, just because the BSA believes that only religious types are good/moral enough (and "coincidentally", I'm probably the most moral person in my troop)...
 
Originally posted by youth_cycler

those who I have told that aren't in that select group become very disillusioned, and tend to be a little suspicious of me afterwards. :shakehead

Really? Even though you're in California?
 
o.k

now i believe in god but long time a go i don't ( that was for a lot of trouble i had,and i can't solve,even knew what was the problem,or why)but now i do cuz i feel my soul so full of he's greace.

is too easy call him when you're in trouble.and later forgit it when the problem are solve.but that is not the way you should do it,
you have to call him+talk to him anytime you can, not just when you need it.
sometimes (70 % of my time) i'm on trouble and he put a person in my way to help me,sometimes i need money to pay some bills and one person who i never saw before, come to me and tell me god bless you (or something like that) that give streng to continue ,and remember me,he is with me all the way long.

a lot person say,he don't love me,just look the kind of problem i have,and he don't help me, but if god help you in any trouble you have,and solve all yours falls without showing you the consecuences,and how to solve it by your self you never will learn nothing

example) if yours parrents pay all your stuff and everything you want,without show you the value+sacrifice they do for you, you never will apreciate it .( in the way you would do it ,if you buy it by your self)

if you belive in something no matter how you call it: god,dios, jehova, jesus, alah, mahoma, buda ,cristo, or how you like to call it. if what you belive make a better person with you self,and with anothers persons, i think you're right in believe on that.

if you are ateish and you be a nice person with anyone and help to everybody who need you,( for me is better cuz,if you help without be waiting with your hand open) waiting for something),you're a really good person,cuz you are helping to anothers to solve theyrs problems, and making this world a better place.and that is the goal to anyone who really want a better place to live. ( no matter if you believe on god or not) ;)

sorry,i know my spell is too confusing,sorry for that.
 
F50- You are against selfishness, I percieve? (Some people know where this is headed... ;))
 
Originally posted by mayorbill11
no. it makes religious people look bad, they would probably do whatever the **** they wanted if they didn't have an almighty lord because they're too stupid to know any better, religion is a way of controlling the stupid.

I whole heartedly agree with MB.

The only people who can actually believe in somethign that ISNT there, are stupid. There is plenty of proof that he DOES NOT exist. All the events that happened such as the flooding and b/s are all fake. The flood thing could have just been a tsunami.. (aka a big ****ing wave caused by something crashing into the ocean, duh)

Pretty retarted to think someone actually lives in the sky.. Pfft.
 
Hmmmmmmm I certainly would like to agree with gt2 and mayorbill, but I wont, some people may call me racist, to both race and religion, I certainly know I'm racist and my trip to HK and SG recently proved it. However, with all this 'lets me gtp a better place' bull**** going on, Im just going to keep my mouth shut, because my comments are CERTAIN to anger someone and possibly start a flamewar/fight.
 
Personally, i don't believe in god. That just my view so don't take it wrong.

I just wish, there was a place i could go and see all the dead people who believe is god(s) and tell 'em...

I TOLD YOU SO!
 
As long as an atheist does not proclaim with absolute certainty that the great reasoning power of man will lead us into the enlightened age, the new rennaissance (idealism good for socialists) i have no problem with them. oh, and i'm a pro rel. agnostic. why? it comforts some.

there are other ways i can be annoyed, but i'm referring to something which i think is something that atheists have claimed or implied. removing religion has no guarantee of making us great.
 
Originally posted by mayorbill11
heh, when i buy an olds cutlass you'll know two. ;)
Make that 3, though I owned a Neon. Maybe the "American car = conservative thing" argument doesn't hold as much water as once thought.

My grandfather would never buy any car but American, and he changed his voter's registration in his final years to Democrat...albiet a conservative Democrat. His argument for American cars was the simplicity of manufacturing, thus a cheaper cost of repairs, and cheifly, the rather large size for hauling 4-6 people with all their golf clubs (a good point).

If you allow me to generalize a little bit:
I think there's 2 types of athiests...

1. Have challenged the argument of a god's existence, and fully believe that God never existed. Sometimes these people are impossible to be around without denying anything and everything. I suppose they were once faithful to something, and have had a horrible experience at something, and feel some god didn't come to their rescue, thus it must not exist.

2. Those whom are quite happy to just follow natural laws of physics and (more or less) the laws of the state; usually these people just aren't bothered to go to church or temple, or what have you, and are okay with life as it is. Maybe a philosphy class put things in perspective for them, maybe they just felt life was better off with out ceremony or religious mumbo-jumbo.

I particulary like this one quote by Thomas Jefferson:

"It does not matter to me whether a person has twenty gods or none at all. It neither scratches my back nor picks my pocket."
 
he became a dem? poor fellow, was life hard? i'd rather be an ind. than a dem or rep. though i prefere republican government to democracy, the systems not the parties.
 
Not to brag, but no, life was only getting better. I was surprised too, but he felt too many Republicans were opting for that Family Values crap, and coming from a Jewish family, he thought it all to be a bit much after a while.

His argument: Stop focusing on religion, and worry about running the country properly!
 
Thnak yuo fro nuderstadign thta smoe peole kan veto properlee.

I can't wait until out state quarter has a paper ballot with chads hanging off of it. The reverse will say "Early Bird Special" on the back. 2004 won't come soon enough.

Florida's a wierd state; quite a number a mixed views, part hick, part modern. part English, part Spanish...all parts not quite screwed together right!

But, as stated before...it just takes a few extremists to make anybody look bad; athiests, Chrisitans, Jews, Muslims, etc. and 1000 years of cultural advancements are flushed away.
 
The Left manages to look bloody awful all by itself.
 
take a look at the how will mazkid respond thread. that aint no conservative idea, not an american conservative.
 
I have a little story about me:

Long ago, when I was 5 years old, I was living in Tennessee. My parents on both sides were Jewish (although not heavily religious) and thus, I was raised Jewish. When Christmastime came, i expected gifts under the tree just like many other kids would. But I had no idea that it was a symbol of Christianity. What sparked my interest was when one night, my parents were lighting a menorah in the room nearby. I asked, "Is that a Christmas candle?" But my parents told me it was not, it was for celebrating Chanukah. And so my parents explained to me what that was all about. It didn't seem to make any difference to me.

Well, to top things off, we were going to private school at a place called Woodmont Baptist Church. It was an affordable private school education at the time, I was later told. (My parents feared my New Jersey accent would be replaced with Southern Drawl if I'd gone to public school...which of course, is bull****.) So guess who comes to school the next day with a story for show and tell!

So I was generally raised with knowledge of other religions and other cultures, etc. even at an early age. But when we moved to south Florida, we moved in to a city where there was definitely a greater sphere of Jewish influence compared to Nashville. My parents wanted me to go to Hebrew school and get bar mitzvah-ed so I would be considered a "man" in the Jewish community. But I can't say I was particularly interested in it, save some of the family traditions like Chanukah, Passover, and the occasional Sabbath service here and there.

But after a while, i stopped going to temple, I wasn't very connected to God or "his people". I was meeting more and more people, and soon I was meeting people in school and outside whom were all of differing faiths and traditions. After a while, i told myself that if there were so many different people, and if all believing they had the right ideas about life, there must not be any one true or correct path.

I was (and still am) of the belief that in order to gain a greater understanding of the word around you, you must drop off many of the things you are attached to. So I supposed, for a while, that God didn't not exist, since you can supersede the idea of an all-knowing god by the power of free will. I started reading about metaphysics, other religions, even going to other religious services to see how things were done, and why.

I think I was very much a atheist for a number of years, because I thought anyone whom would waste their time at temple or church or whatever was a great fool. I felt nobody was right, people were idiots for imposing a will that was essentially "God-like" on people whom they were inferior. How could we say yes to brutality, ignorance, violence, and still call ourselves God's people? Needless to say, I felt baffled at it all. Atheism seemed the way to go.

I told my girlfriend that I wasn't sure which end was up when it came to religion; I had gradually thought nobody was really stupid for going to religious services, but didn't want to really belong to anything just the same. One day, in early 1999...i had the strangest revelation...

Kathy and I were at a Denny's restaurant in the middle of Wildwood, FL (No, I was not on drugs!) when she asked me what in the heck guides people? I thought it was a vague way of asking a religious question, and I answered...I think so many things are guiding us throughout life, it's amazing how we do it. But I think there are means that bind us all together, and that is the very fact that we are all human. And even if you don't believe in evolution, you know that God created all of us...and if you do believe in evolution, then we are all creatures of the same family.

The enlightened know this, and the ignorant don't. But whether ignorant or not, you have to respect that we are not always in control of all aspects of our own destiny when you are part of humanity. So humanity is the only thing greater than God. If we are all made in God's image, and we create the notion of God, then Humanity = God. It all made sense right there, and I was just waiting for a cheeseburger!

Since then, I've gone back to Jewish temple, went to a Buddhist temple, go to church with Kathy sometimes, and I fell a lot better for it all. So I don't think atheists should get a bad name, of course...those who do not believe in god will find it one way or another...no some cultures, they are just lost sheep, not wrong doers. To others, atheists are merely on another path, which will lead them to a better understanding of themselves.

I'm not necessarily creating an argument here, I'm merely stating a little story of how atheism is not necessarily a bad thing. I do think that if anyone is going to say I'm wrong, I think, fine, so what...you are entitled to your own opinion.
 
Originally posted by youth_cycler
When you say "atheist", many people think of of bad, immoral people. Even if you don't think to quite that degree of severity, many (if not, most) religious people still think that atheists don't have as a high-quality life as they do.

My question is: WHY?

Why do you people think this... just because our opinions differ from yours?

(Note-- I'm not attacking the religious community (and notice my use of the word "many", not all)... I would just like to see people's opinions on this subject.)

Let me start off by saying that my views and opinions on this topic are from my own experiences and can only draw conclusions from those experiences.

I think the main reason that this is the case for me is that I can detect a difference in my life. A before and after experience, a spiritual experience if you will once I accepted Christ as the director of my life. Now my own personal opinions of atheists are not judging, but I often wonder..., if their life is as great to them as they say it is, I can't imagine how much better it would be if Christ was in their life and can only hope the best for them. I can't say that all legalistic religion is good, but I do know from my own personal experience and the testiments of others, that having God in your life can bring you a peace and joy that you've never felt before. There are resources untapped that are readly available to anyone who chooses to acknowlege those resources. It's this transformation of a person's life that I have knowlege of that you do not unless you have experienced it for yourself, and it is that core fact that raises views and opinions as it relates to me.

:cheers:

[edited]

I also wanted to add, I in no way can measure someone else's happiness, but if a transformation can occur in me, then it must be possible for everyone else, because frankly...., I really don't think I'm that special or unique of a person that that kind of life experience is an isolated experience that only I am privlaged to. :)
 
Dang, you know how to piss people off. :shakehead:

You wanna try and not make generalized statements like that. How many religious people have you met? How many of them provoked you or did something to make you angry? The point of this thread was to discuss, not to start crap. Next time, think about what your gonna type before you hit enter.

Are you getting ready to post a degrading, harsh, or downright stupid comment?
Think before you speak! GTPlanet is only as good as you make it.


That comment applies to you too.
 
Originally posted by f1king
I hate religious people.

That very nice information, thank you very much. Could you please stay on the topic at hand, or find a different thread that might better suit your interest?
 
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