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Four sports cars, four times approximately 500 HP, four completely different concepts. The new Porsche turbo disappoints me personally a little, since it arouses hardly emotions. The German is directly (too) perfect. And wins in such a way rightfully this comparison. The Ferrari inspires as reinrassiger racing cars in the styleful road dress. Despite the high price it earned second. The urwuechsige Corvette at place three surprises respect with good handling and favourable price -. In addition, the sharp-edged Lamborghini supplies finally the most fascinating driving experiences, demands most compromises.

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997 Turbo(manual)
0-100km/h: 3,7s
0-200km/h:12,1s
80-120km/h: 5,3s(6th)
Track time Oschersleben: 1:42.74min

Vette Z06
0-100km/h: 4.3s
0-200km/h:12.6s
80-120km/h:11.3s(6th)
Oschersleben: 1:42.30min

Ferrari F430F1
0-100km/h: 4.0s
0-200km/h:12.5s
80-120km/h: 7.5s(6th)
Oschersleben: 1:41.89min

Lamborghini Gallardo
0-100km/h: 4.0s
0-200km/h:13.1s
80-120km/h:10.8s(6th)
Oschersleben: 1:41.52min
 
...Who the hell was driving the Corvette? Do they not have any idea how to run the T-56 and the LS7? 0-100KPH times should be cut by a second, as those times posted there are easily obtainable with the 400 BHP Z51.

Damn Europeans, they can't seem to figure out how to drive our cars correctly. I suppose the Stig got it right, but jeeze, do I need to come over there and show you guys how it's done?
 
It is surprising, I would expect the 997T to beat the Z06 but im not too sure about the gallardo and f430. But then again the F430 has that F1 launching technology.
 
The C/D test figures you posted had the Z06 walking all over the two of them, so I'm begining to wonder if the T56 is too much. Top Gear always complains about it, yet I never hear a peep on this side of the Atlantic.

EDIT: May not walked all over, but made it a helluva lot closer...
 
I got it. I remember why from the Veyron thread. The Z06 pretty much maxes out 1st gear at 60-61 MPH. 100 KPH is 62 MPH. So 1 upshift. That could easily add time. And if they shifted the Corvette at redline, I'm not surprised that they got a second slower than what it is capable of.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
0-62mph in 3.3 seconds in a z06? :lol:
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C/D squeezed out a 3.5 in their most recent test, their record is a 3.4 in their second test of the Z06 against the SRT-10 Coupe. So excuse my rounding of the figure there, as I should have said 0.8 to 0.9 seconds.

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Poverty
yeah a odd test. 997T slowest, gallardo fastest.
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Which is odd, because in the C/D test the 997T beat the Z06, both of whom topped the F430 by more than a half-second to 60 MPH.
 
So, a Gallardo, beat all of them? that's odd, cause every test I've seen implies the Gallardo should finish dead last...guess these guys cant shift a manual with all those hard to move clutches, and shifter, they can only deal with paddles, cause they cant drive so hot? I've seen C5 Z06's run 3.9s to 60, I'm sure the extra 2mph couldnt take more than .3

The only car here I'd expect to run with a Z06 is the F430, the other two just won't cut it.
 
The thing that suprises me the most is the 80kph-120kph times. The Porsche manages less than half the time of the Z06. You would think with 7.0L of V8 and mountains of torque that it would have better top gear acceleration than a 3.8L Turbo which would take much longer to make power.
However, the 6th is probably the mad cruising gear in the Z06 so I don't know for sure. Anyone know what the gears in the Z06 are like?
 
Revheadnz
However, the 6th is probably the mad cruising gear in the Z06 so I don't know for sure. Anyone know what the gears in the Z06 are like?
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The Z06 uses a 3.42 axle with it's 6th gear ratio set at 0.50. The extremely tall 6th gear combined with the T-56's skip-shift feature allows the car to skip the gas guzzler tax in the US, and from what I understand nearly 30 MPG is easily obtainable in the Z06 at highway speeds.

(BTW: The 997T goes without gas guzzler tax in the US as well, as the variable length turbos help to quell fuel consumption.)
 
YSSMAN
The Z06 uses a 3.42 axle with it's 6th gear ratio set at 0.50. The extremely tall 6th gear combined with the T-56's skip-shift feature allows the car to skip the gas guzzler tax in the US, and from what I understand nearly 30 MPG is easily obtainable in the Z06 at highway speeds.

(BTW: The 997T goes without gas guzzler tax in the US as well, as the variable length turbos help to quell fuel consumption.)
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Yep. the Z06's 6th gear is geared for fuel economy and the 911's is gear for acceleration hence the reason the turbo's top speed is limited by its redline.
 
Is it me, or does anyone notice anything strange about the F430's rear end? It probably doesn't make a difference, but isn't the back grill much smaller?
 
That's what I thought. The only F430 I've seen with a rear like that are the spy shots of the F430 CS. Perhaps a new option like on the 360 Modena?
 
Revheadnz
You would think with 7.0L of V8 and mountains of torque that it would have better top gear acceleration than a 3.8L Turbo which would take much longer to make power.
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Have you even read anything about the 997T, or bothered to look at its specifications? The turbo F6 produces more torque at a lower RPM than the Corvette's V8.

Not only do modern turbochargers have significantly less lag issues than in years past, the Porsche happens to have two of them (which cuts down on lag compared to a larger single turbo), and they are both equipped with a variable vane geometry system that allows them to spool up quickly at low RPMs yet still produce a powerful punch.
 
Wolfe2x7
Have you even read anything about the 997T, or bothered to look at its specifications? The turbo F6 produces more torque at a lower RPM than the Corvette's V8.

Not only do modern turbochargers have significantly less lag issues than in years past, the Porsche happens to have two of them (which cuts down on lag compared to a larger single turbo), and they are both equipped with a variable vane geometry system that allows them to spool up quickly at low RPMs yet still produce a powerful punch.
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I had read about the variable vane turbos but I didn't know about the actual torque figures at low rpms, I've probably read about it but I just don't remember off the top off my head.
 
It's getting to the point where there simply aren't any negatives to turbocharging anymore. Reliability is up, lag is diminished, and the gas mileage/efficiency benefits that small turbos can bring does wonders with small engines and diesels.



However, I still think that using turbochargers to get power is cheating. :lol:
 
LeadSlead#2
So, a Gallardo, beat all of them? that's odd, cause every test I've seen implies the Gallardo should finish dead last...guess these guys cant shift a manual with all those hard to move clutches, and shifter, they can only deal with paddles, cause they cant drive so hot? I've seen C5 Z06's run 3.9s to 60, I'm sure the extra 2mph couldnt take more than .3

The only car here I'd expect to run with a Z06 is the F430, the other two just won't cut it.
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No way the 997T is a supreme piece of engineering. I would say its always going to be neck and neck with the z06 and 997T. Plus did you know that the gallardo and z06 have basically the same gearbox.
 
Wolfe2x7
It's getting to the point where there simply aren't any negatives to turbocharging anymore. Reliability is up, lag is diminished, and the gas mileage/efficiency benefits that small turbos can bring does wonders with small engines and diesels.



However, I still think that using turbochargers to get power is cheating. :lol:
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:lol: I'm still tickled pink by the fact that you can get a variable geometry turbo in a $12,000 Hyundai Compact Diesel. It's just like that, no lag, no waiting, just torque, shove, whoa! Find the next gear. :lol:

Cheating? Hell yeah, but we all win... :dopey:
 
This test is obviously flawed...the Gallardo can't compete with the other three to save it's life...and this coming from an Audi fan here. And who the hell is driving the ZO6? Like someone said...you lose 0.3 seconds shifting not 0.8~0.9. Audobild can't drive worth a damn...there's no way the Porsche and ZO6 are last compared to the soft Lambo and daft Ferrari. Just no way in hell. The Porsche eats these others for lunch with exception of the ZO6 which is a good match and should come down to the driver.
 
^ Exactly. Let the Americans handle the Corvette driving and we can see what happens. I don't see what the problem is with the car. Its supposed to have a heavy clutch and somewhat stiff transmission, thats how sportscars are supposed to be, and thats how its always been.

The T-56 isn't that hard to work, so I'm confused by why Europeans seem to hate it so much...
 

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