AWD and Fr Drifters

[FC3S-D]

AWD of course, you could do a drift at a170 degree angle and not spin out haha

 

[omnispeed]

Push the gas and spin the dang wheel.

you mean? ...the dang wheels.

 

[futuredrifter]

frs are easier to drift cuz thats the type of cars that drifting originated from.....FRs were kinda the first drift cars.

 

[sideslider]

frs are easier to drift cuz thats the type of cars that drifting originated from.....FRs were kinda the first drift cars.

Is this really true? I thought drifting came from awd rally cars? can someone clear this up!!

 

[TRi]

i would say fr first because its been around for AGES and drifting was sure to be done on accident when pushing a car too hard or for the dukes of hazard.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Is this really true? I thought drifting came from awd rally cars? can someone clear this up!!

The first "Rally" cars were RWD not AWD...

Drifting as a motorsport originated from the mountain passes of Japan in the late 70's earlly 80's... Because of the tight hairpin corners, they realised that sometimes it would be faster to throw the rear end out (setting the car up for the turn exit)... That was the beginning of drifting as we know it...

 

[futuredrifter]

The first "Rally" cars were RWD not AWD...

Drifting as a motorsport originated from the mountain passes of Japan in the late 70's earlly 80's... Because of the tight hairpin corners, they realised that sometimes it would be faster to throw the rear end out (setting the car up for the turn exit)... That was the beginning of drifting as we know it...

yea he basically took the words out of my mouth.

 

[Spyder_V]

you mean? ...the dang wheels.

I think he means the steering wheel

 

[sideslider]

The first "Rally" cars were RWD not AWD...

Drifting as a motorsport originated from the mountain passes of Japan in the late 70's earlly 80's... Because of the tight hairpin corners, they realised that sometimes it would be faster to throw the rear end out (setting the car up for the turn exit)... That was the beginning of drifting as we know it...

so this wasn't a technique that originated from rally racing...hmm I wonder where I read that? I do understand what your saying about drifting as a motorsport originating from Japan, but did the drifting techniques themselves come from maybe 60's or 70's rally racing? Maybe it wasn't refered to as a DRIFT untill the Japenese took hold of it. I'll do some reading and let you know what I find.

 

[Delphic Reason]

so this wasn't a technique that originated from rally racing...hmm I wonder where I read that? I do understand what your saying about drifting as a motorsport originating from Japan, but did the drifting techniques themselves come from maybe 60's or 70's rally racing? Maybe it wasn't refered to as a DRIFT untill the Japenese took hold of it. I'll do some reading and let you know what I find.

What I was saying is that rally cars were originally all RWD... The techniques did indeed come from rally racing, just not AWD rally racing... Although, some drifters did get their start from rally (Rhys Millen for starters)...

 

[niky]

What I was saying is that rally cars were originally all RWD... The techniques did indeed come from rally racing, just not AWD rally racing... Although, some drifters did get their start from rally (Rhys Millen for starters)...

Which makes it even more of a shame that there are no Ford Escort Mexicos in the game... *sigh*

 

[Delphic Reason]

Which makes it even more of a shame that there are no Ford Escort Mexicos in the game... *sigh*

Or Cosworth...

 

[sideslider]

Ahh. I thought thats was right... thanks for clearing that up delphic.

 

[futuredrifter]

Which makes it even more of a shame that there are no Ford Escort Mexicos in the game... *sigh*

My uncle has one bak in Jamaica, a cosworth though, MK1. That just brings bak memories..........

 

[BrykeSpike0086]

The first "Rally" cars were RWD not AWD...

Drifting as a motorsport originated from the mountain passes of Japan in the late 70's earlly 80's... Because of the tight hairpin corners, they realised that sometimes it would be faster to throw the rear end out (setting the car up for the turn exit)... That was the beginning of drifting as we know it...

Acctualy in the 60s drifting was just starting, and AWD is fun, more control on the drift, and true hard to initiate, but I fix that with more weight on the rear and less traction on thr rear so I was able to throw the tail out easier. ^_^

 

[Delphic Reason]

Acctualy in the 60s drifting was just starting, and AWD is fun, more control on the drift, and true hard to initiate, but I fix that with more weight on the rear and less traction on thr rear so I was able to throw the tail out easier. ^_^

Drifting was not starting in the 60's... If you want to get technical, the act of using the throttle to control a slide started with rally, and dirt track racing... Drifting on pavement began in the late 70's in Japan... Sure there may have been a few people doing this before hand, but it wasn't established as an actual motorsport until the late 70's early 80's... Rally racing started with RWD's, and I agree, AWD's are fun to drift, but they do not give you more control durring a drift... It all depends on your skill with the drivetrain you choose... I drift AWD's and RWD's, and do just fine with both... Equal control... Just different techniques...

 

[jayballash]

im having trouble iniating a drift with a 4wd vehicle. i have only drifted FR until now, and i cant seem to get the rear wheels to break traction no matter how hard i try. i am running an impreza WRX with N1 tires, no aids, and the torque distribution set to the max towards the back wheels. i believe ( cant remember ), that i have a stage 1 or 2 turbo. i have all the other HP adding goodies, and the other mods equipped. i think its around 300 HP. i am using a DFP also. what is happening, is i will try to feint drift, and i will have the car sideways for about 2 secounds, then the car will straighen out, and i will go into the wall. ive tried different variations of throttle, and steering to initiate, but to no avail.

 

[BrykeSpike0086]

Indeed... I am one of the "ambi-drive train" capable individuals... I find that in most cases, AWD is a bit easier than FR, and I started drifting FR's... I also drift RR's, MR's, and I even slide around some FF's...

Hell I'm like Delphic...lol

 

[Reikon]

What I was saying is that rally cars were originally all RWD... The techniques did indeed come from rally racing...

drift drive style was originally created by Kunimitsu Takahashi. he is a JTCC race driver.

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A bit of drifting history

Drifting started out as a racing technique popular in the All Japan Touring Car
Championship races over 30 years ago. A legendary driver named Kunimitsu
Takahashi was the foremost practitioner of drifting techniques in the 1970's.
Takahashi's aggressive drifting skills — he was famous for hitting the apex (the
point where the car is closest to the inside of a turn) at high speed and then
drifting through the corner, preserving a high rate of speed — earned him several
championships and a legion of fans who enjoyed the spectacle of burning tires and
perilous speed.


A street racer named Keiichi Tsuchiya became particularly enthralled by
Takahashi's drift techniques. Tsuchiya began practicing his drifting skills on the
streets, and quickly gained a reputation amongst the "hashiriya" or racing crowd.
In 1977, several popular car magazines and tuning garages conspired to produce
a video of Tsuchiya's drifting skills on windy mountain roads. The video, called
Pluspy, became a cult hit and inspired many of the professional drifting drivers on
the circuits today. Tsuchiya earned himself the nickname "Dorikin," which means
Drift King in Japanese. Tsuchiya was the head judge of the D1 Grand Prix USA.

By 1986, drifting had gained enough popularity amongst racers to allow for the
first drifting contests to be held at racetracks. Still, drifting was largely considered
a successful racing technique, useful on the track, but not in and of itself a
spectator sport. Nine years later, all that had changed.

In the D1 Grand Prix USA souvenir program, Modified Mag's Ken Ogawa explained
the growth of drifting into a separate sport:

"By 1995, drifting turned into a whole automotive subculture, with almost 10 years
of street racing behind it. Drifting started evolving from a stoic driving technique to
more of a showcase or spectacle. Naturally, the youth embraced the idea, because
they wanted to get more attention. They wanted to drift in front of huge crowds!"

Increased attention from younger racing crowds led Japanese car companies to try
to cash in on the growing phenomenon. Nissan, Toyota, and Mazda began making
lightweight, rear-wheel drive models like the Nissan PS13 Silvia and the Toyota
AE86 Trueno that became popular drift cars. Aftermarket car parts manufacturers
also entered the movement, and began marketing products specialized for drifters
like limited slip differentials, coil-over shocks, large rear spoilers, and high performance tires.

Finally, in 2001 the Japanese company Video OPTION founded the D1 Professional
Drifting League, which attracted local drifters and major drivers sponsored by the
likes of HKS, BLITZ, A'PEXi, and TRUST. Although amateur drifting events are held in
Europe, Australia, and now in the U.S., the D1 Grand Prix is the only professional
drifting series in the world. The D1 Grand Prix USA Invitational at the Irwindale
Speedway on August 31, 2003 was the first offical drifting competition held outside
of Japan.

 

[Delphic Reason]

drift drive style was originally created by Kunimitsu Takahashi. he is a JTCC race driver.

****************

A bit of drifting history

Drifting started out as a racing technique popular in the All Japan Touring Car
Championship races over 30 years ago. A legendary driver named Kunimitsu
Takahashi was the foremost practitioner of drifting techniques in the 1970's.
Takahashi's aggressive drifting skills — he was famous for hitting the apex (the
point where the car is closest to the inside of a turn) at high speed and then
drifting through the corner, preserving a high rate of speed — earned him several
championships and a legion of fans who enjoyed the spectacle of burning tires and
perilous speed.


A street racer named Keiichi Tsuchiya became particularly enthralled by
Takahashi's drift techniques. Tsuchiya began practicing his drifting skills on the
streets, and quickly gained a reputation amongst the "hashiriya" or racing crowd.
In 1977, several popular car magazines and tuning garages conspired to produce
a video of Tsuchiya's drifting skills on windy mountain roads. The video, called
Pluspy, became a cult hit and inspired many of the professional drifting drivers on
the circuits today. Tsuchiya earned himself the nickname "Dorikin," which means
Drift King in Japanese. Tsuchiya was the head judge of the D1 Grand Prix USA.

By 1986, drifting had gained enough popularity amongst racers to allow for the
first drifting contests to be held at racetracks. Still, drifting was largely considered
a successful racing technique, useful on the track, but not in and of itself a
spectator sport. Nine years later, all that had changed.

In the D1 Grand Prix USA souvenir program, Modified Mag's Ken Ogawa explained
the growth of drifting into a separate sport:

"By 1995, drifting turned into a whole automotive subculture, with almost 10 years
of street racing behind it. Drifting started evolving from a stoic driving technique to
more of a showcase or spectacle. Naturally, the youth embraced the idea, because
they wanted to get more attention. They wanted to drift in front of huge crowds!"

Increased attention from younger racing crowds led Japanese car companies to try
to cash in on the growing phenomenon. Nissan, Toyota, and Mazda began making
lightweight, rear-wheel drive models like the Nissan PS13 Silvia and the Toyota
AE86 Trueno that became popular drift cars. Aftermarket car parts manufacturers
also entered the movement, and began marketing products specialized for drifters
like limited slip differentials, coil-over shocks, large rear spoilers, and high performance tires.

Finally, in 2001 the Japanese company Video OPTION founded the D1 Professional
Drifting League, which attracted local drifters and major drivers sponsored by the
likes of HKS, BLITZ, A'PEXi, and TRUST. Although amateur drifting events are held in
Europe, Australia, and now in the U.S., the D1 Grand Prix is the only professional
drifting series in the world. The D1 Grand Prix USA Invitational at the Irwindale
Speedway on August 31, 2003 was the first offical drifting competition held outside
of Japan.

That is a nice little bit of history... However, he did not create "drift style"... Rally racers had been using such techniques since the beginning of said events... Doing it on pavement wasn't even really invented by Takahashi (or Keichi)... He is just the first one to gain popularity by doing so... The techniques have been used for a very long time, way before either of them were around... Still, thanks for posting that up, it does answer the question "when did drifting as a motorsport begin"... Early to mid eighties... Just as I thought...