Awd

[Speeding drifter]

I can't seem to drift AWD cars cept the R34. I can drift them using sim tires but, I don't like using sim tires, and I can slide them on any other tires. can someone help a little??? NO mixing tires.

(I like the 22B and any lancer.)

 

[LanEvo]

my settings for all AWD cars:

no vcd
no lsd

sim tires

ride height: all the way down
camber: 3.0 0.5
toe: -0.5 1.0

exhaust

drift it

 

[pergatory]

I think the most essential part of tuning an AWD drift car is the differential. Spend lots of time there, because a poorly tuned differential can literally make it impossible to drift. A good example to learn from is the stock Evo VII prototype, if I remember correctly. Also, keep the springrates high (to prevent weight transfer since it's AWD). That way you are pretty much using throttle and brakes to steer the car. In an ideal AWD drifter, you never need to use the steering wheel except to initiate drifts, the rest of the time it is straight-forward. Unless you screw up of course, which I dunno about you guys, but I do often... then you need to correct a little with the steering wheel, but the point is that it should be possible to do it with very little use of the wheel.

 

[drifterzzz]

mine same like lan evo but all setting standart except ride height all the way down ...

 

[TingBoy]

one more thing about EVO's...u need to raise the YAW a lil....

 

[Sparda]

Wazzup guys? I'm a newly registered member.. I've been reading and using alot from these forums... Drifting has always been my passion, but the skillz be lacking

Anywayz.. what I want to know is.. in GT2.. I used the Mines Lancer to Drift my heart out!! Mines tuned that car to perfection, all you had to do is just get in and drift!

What I'm looking for is something similar in GT3... Is there a car in GT3 that can compare to the Lancer in GT2?

 

[bengee]

With my style i had the exact same setup as fr for suspension with tweeked toe to give me a bit more oversteer... never messed with vcd's...

 

[Speeding drifter]

thanks all i sorta "lost" this thread lol, but i'll try messing with the LSD a lil more.

 

[Thio]

You don't need LSD on 4WDs because then they'll make the car harder to drift IMO. Keep the LSD and the VCD stock and you can make the other adjustments. I usually keep the suspension stock, tune the muffler to racing and then do port polish and displacement upgrade/racing chip, depending on which one gives me the best overall hp upgrade.

 

[Speeding drifter]

what tires do u use??? (i dislike sim)

 

[Thio]

Well, I use simulation tires, but if you don't want to do that, then you'll have to make the car more powerful like ~550-800 hp to drift with Super Soft Tires.

 

[Project-X]

my friend wants to drift his Evo VII but i think his style is different from mine. cos i tried and help him out by setting his car so it would behave like my LM RX7 but i finds it too hard to drift with cos he keeps turnning in circles. but i tried it and i did fine. so it must be his style. maybe u guys can give some of ur settings for him to try out.

 

[LanEvo]

Originally posted by LanEvo
my settings for all AWD cars:

no vcd
no lsd

sim tires

ride height: all the way down
camber: 3.0 0.5
toe: -0.5 1.0

exhaust

drift it

 

[bengee]

If you dislike sims... use slicks or super slicks... with the same suspension settings that people are giving you for sims... just put a bit more hp like aournd 400-600 depending on the weight of hte car ( the heavier the more hp). lan evos should be fine

 

[trd_celica_jdm]

gt3 kidna messed up on that most cars that are 4wd are supposed to be awd

 

[trd_celica_jdm]

like the skyline and subbies

 

[SupraFly]

Originally posted by Sparda
Wazzup guys? I'm a newly registered member.. I've been reading and using alot from these forums... Drifting has always been my passion, but the skillz be lacking

Anywayz.. what I want to know is.. in GT2.. I used the Mines Lancer to Drift my heart out!! Mines tuned that car to perfection, all you had to do is just get in and drift!

What I'm looking for is something similar in GT3... Is there a car in GT3 that can compare to the Lancer in GT2?

the mines lancer in gt3...

-B

 

[rathead]

As for tires, i use Normals on the front and Sims on the rear

 

[LanEvo]

staggering tire types is completely unrealistic. its an easy way out...and only beginners do this. if you want to take your drifting to the next level, use the same tire on all 4 corners.(just like a real car! wow! )

 

[LanEvo]

Originally posted by trd_celica_jdm
gt3 kidna messed up on that most cars that are 4wd are supposed to be awd

uhh, its the same thing. how did they mess up? all wheel drive, 4 wheel drive...if you have 4 wheels, ITS THE SAME THING! lol!

 

[bengee]

It isnt the same lan evo...

--Full Time 4WD
Also called permanent 4WD and constant 4WD
Main mode is 4WD. 4WD is used full time.
No 2WD mode available.
All four wheels are powered at all times. Operates well on dry pavement due to a center differential or equivalent device (planetary gears, etc).

--Part Time 4WD does not have a center differential.

--All Wheel Drive or AWD
Only mode is 4WD. Full time.
No 2WD available.
No 4WD "low" available.
Center differential locks automatically (Torsen diff, viscous coupling or gerotor coupling)


So what is being employed in the game is infact AWD and not 4wd... because no 4wd low ( which is used in offroading and not racing) is available... HOwever as soon as you slap an adjustable center diff it is 4wd and not awd...becuase in awd the center diff is automatic and not preset... at least that is what i gather

 

[LanEvo]

dude, we arent talking about trucks here. and subaru's have an adjustable center differential, and their slogan is "the beauty of all wheel drive" go figure nobody said part time 4WD...lol

 

[Thio]

Are there transfer cases in partial 4WDs like the Skyline?

 

[LanEvo]

yes, all 4wd have a transfer case, this distributes the power between the front/rear. but the skyline has a clutchpack for the front driveshaft that is electronically activated. when the computer sense traction loss at the rear, it tightens the clutch pack and sends extra power to the front. the skyline is an inhertitly rear wheel drive car (the EVO VII is the same way, only backwards. being primarily front wheel drive, engaging the rear tires when needed.)

 

[bengee]

I could be wrong about the vcd making the car 4wd and not awd... but the point of what i posted was to give a concrete definition of awd and full time 4wd being very different... full time 4wd is used in trucks and awd in cars becuase off roading with 4wd low is of no use in cars as they are lower to the ground...

The game itself clumps part time 4wd cars and awd cars in a big lump called 4wd cars... its like the rr mr thing...

 

[Thio]

Yeah. There's a viscous coupling to replace the transfer case in consumer 4WD sport cars. Not like the trucks, they need something heavy duty and that's why they have transfer cases. So I guess the reason why it's not used in tarmac racing is because the coupling leaks a lot or something. I'm just guessing, so please correct me if I'm wrong. On rallying, They can replace it after every stage if there are problems with it.

 

[LanEvo]

well i know first hand that a 3000GT VR-4 has a transfer case. (i took it apart and laughed at the shards of metal my friend managed to create by dropping the clutch from 6,000rpm) but as for the other japanese sports cars..i cant say for sure.

 

[Thio]

I know the Lancer Evolution VIII has a viscous coupling. Its says in their specs. Same with the Subaru WRXs.

 

[bengee]

the 911 4s (both 993 and 996) have 4wd with viscous coupling... i would assume it is hte most common in sportscars because it is a relatively light way to distribute power to all four wheels...

the porsche site says about viscous coupling and there awd system...

As well as transferring drive to the wheels, the system compensates for any difference in the speed of rotation measured on the front and rear axles. The outer plates of the coupling are attached to the housing, and the inner plates to the hub, with the space in between filled with silicone fluid.

The moment there is any deviation in the respective speeds of the front and rear axles, the frictional properties of the silicone fluid cause the drive torque to be directed from the faster rotating plates to the slower ones.

At least 5% of engine power is always applied to the front axle, increasing to roughly 35% in normal driving conditions. In extreme situations, as much as 40% of drive torque can be delivered to the front wheels.

i would assume that most but in no way all awd cars apply a similar method of doing things...

 

[pergatory]

Originally posted by bengee
the 911 4s (both 993 and 996) have 4wd with viscous coupling... i would assume it is hte most common in sportscars because it is a relatively light way to distribute power to all four wheels...

Also you don't have to replace the discs like clutch pack or change the oil often like quaife/torsen, which is always nice =)

As well as transferring drive to the wheels, the system compensates for any difference in the speed of rotation measured on the front and rear axles. The outer plates of the coupling are attached to the housing, and the inner plates to the hub, with the space in between filled with silicone fluid.

I like how they use the word "measured" to make it sound complicated, when in fact it's just the fluid reacting to an increase in friction. Score one for the marketing crew! =)