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Ferrari's split from Maserati seems to have breathed new life into the prancing horse: it is apparently set to give the go-ahead to an £85,000 model, rumoured to be called the California, to take on Aston Martin's V8 Vantage.

Italian sources say the model, powered by a front-mounted, 400bhp 4.2-litre V8 engine, will also come in drophead form. It could take Ferrari sales from fewer than 5,000 to about 8,000 cars a year and engineers are said to be working on it already.
Ok this isn't much information, I'll do some research for more later.

My main concern is, is this a cheapening of the Ferrari brand? Now I understand £85000 isn't cheap but a new Ferrari for under a £100k? Personally I think it will take away from the exculsivity of teh company in the way the boxster did to Porsche, but not to the same degree of course.

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Ok this isn't much information, I'll do some research for more later.

My main concern is, is this a cheapening of the Ferrari brand? Now I understand £85000 isn't cheap but a new Ferrari for under a £100k? Personally I think it will take away from the exculsivity of teh company in the way the boxster did to Porsche, but not to the same degree of course.

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The Dino did not harm the Ferrari brand, quite the opposite in fact.

Now I know that it did not officialy carry the Ferrari badge, but lets be fair, everyone knows what it is.
 
Haha! I always wanted a Ferrari badged Cinque' Sporting when I was in my teens. I always imagined mine to be slightly more tasteful than that though!
 
I'm with Scaff. Ferrari did a Porsche 911 competitor in the 60's and 70's that has gone down in automotive history as one of the absolute prettiest cars of the 60's.

It performed astonishingly well and offered great bang for the buck. The 246GT Dino is a car that should be revisited, and I'm glad Ferrari is choosing to do so.

Heck, it'd even be great if they continued the tradition of wonderful V6 engined Ferraris!
 
^^ which pic is this i only see an f430 ?? am i the only one who doesn't know what your talking about ??
 
I don't think Ferrari has ever been "cheapened" in its history. I'd never use "cheapen" and "Ferrari" in the same sentence. Having said this, I thought Ferrari already made a luxury car competitor called the Ferrari 612 Scaglietti. Then I remember a topic on a "hot hatch" Ferrari to be used because of gas prices or something. I don't know if that was an April Fool's joke (since it was around that time when I seen that topic), but I guess that's the baby Ferrari I kind of took seriously.

More power to Ferrari for kind of branching out like this. I think back then, Ferrari used to be more about pure sportscars only so few can afford. A sign of somewhat cheaper cars probably came when the lovely 360 Modena came out. That F430 is going to be insane. It's supposed to have almost 500 horsepower and just looks stunning. There's a little Enzo in its rear styling, but I'm sure it's a bigger brother to the 360 Modena.

And oh yeah, what cheapening?
 
That "hot hatch" ferrari definatly was an april folls joke.

Anyway an £85,000 car will not cheapen the ferrari name, the only thing that is cheapening the ferrari name is the merchandising. Ferrari will pretty much put there badge on any piece of c**p, theres even a ferrari laptop and aftershave.
 
A ferrari Dino, Dino 246, 246GT/GTS, and Dino 206 had V6 engines. I don't understand your what your trying to say?? If you've ever seen a F360 that has 8 cylinders but you would hardly call it a Baby the things huge, ok maybe not to american standards but it's hardly a baby, and i doubt the f430 is any smaller.
 
An original Dino; anyone who says this car 'cheapened' Ferrari's name has no idea what they are talking about. Also the F430 is not a Dino update in any way shape or form, project California is something quite different. It also is likely to run with a Maserati derived 400bhp V8, rather than the Ferrari designed 490bhp V8 from the F430.



Its about time Ferrari made a car in this class again, personally I'm happy to see this car go ahead, just wish I had the 85K for one.

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Hope you like that (it's always handy to be on the Maranelo mailing list), you will also notice that the Dino is included in this list, despite officially never carrying the Ferrari badge.
 
The F430 is by no means a Dino.

The only reason I referred to it as a cheapening was because of the old "I own a porsche", "yes, but it's a boxster.

Perhaps itr won't cheapen the brand, but we'll see when we start to see Ferrari's more often (Not that some of you can see them much more).
 
The difference is, if you say "I own a Ferrari, and it's a Dino", people say, "cool" or "thats a classic" or you've got taste. Not "I own a Porsche, it's a Boxster", reply - "poser", "cheap fcuk" ect.
 
Dino = any non 12-cylinder Ferrari (street car... some Ferraris have been de-12'd because of racing regulations, like the F1 cars these days)
 
iceburns288
Dino = any non 12-cylinder Ferrari (street car... some Ferraris have been de-12'd because of racing regulations, like the F1 cars these days)

WTF?

Dino is not some catch-all title that you give to any Ferrari without a 12 cylinder, the Dino name was first applied to competition models that used the compact V6 first proposed by and designed by Dino Ferrari (Enzo's son who died age 24) himself.

The very first engine was the 156, a 1.5 litre 6 cylinder model (hence 156 - the Ferrari numbering system followed this pattern at the time), which was sadly not up and running until 5 months after Dino's death.

The Dino name was originally given to a range of engines (all V6 and originally all competition) not a range of cars, the Dino in the name of a number of race cars from the '50s and '60's denoted the engine fitted.

The Dino name was given to three road cars:

Dino 206GT - 1967-69
Dino 246GT 1969-74
Dino 246GTS 1972-74

As you can see from the numbering code the '67 model was fitted with a 2.0litre 6 cylinder (V6), with all models from '69 onwards powered by a 2.4litre six cylinder (again V6).

The Dino range never officially wore the Ferrari script or 'Prancing Horse' (many were added later by owners), they simply bore the Dino name, however this was writen in the same font as the Ferrari logo. Few people needed the right badge or the horse to know what the car was.

The production numbers were huge for Ferrari at the time with a total run between 1967 and 1974 of 3,913, broken down as follows:

206GT - 152
246GT - 2487
246GTS - 1274

The later Dino 308 GT4 2+2 from 1973-80 was also produced, with 2,826 cars made.

When you compare this to production numbers of other Ferrari models of the time the volume is huge:

1968 365 GTB/4 Daytona - 1284
1969 - 365 GTS/4 - 122
1971 365 GTC4 - 500
1973 365 GT4 2+2 - 525
1973 365 GT4/BB - 387
1974 308 GT4 2+2 - 2826

The cars above were in production at around the same time as the Dino range and total production of these models was 5,644 units. This would give the Dino range approx 40% of Ferrari sales at the time, the bulk of which came from the 246GT and GTS. Not bad at all for a little V6; however during the excess' of the '70s and '80s people seemed to forget about the little Dino and the myth that a true Ferrari had to be a 12 cylinder monster was once again borne.

Its a nonsense to suggest that all true Ferrari's must be a 12 cylinder, certainly the Dino was the first road car made by Ferrari that was not fitted with a V12, but it was not the last.

1973 - 1980 Dino GT 2+2 (V8)
1975 - 1985 308 GTB/S, GTBi/Si & QV (V8)
1985 - 1989 328 GTB/S (V8)
1980 - 1989 Mondial (V8)
1984 - 1986 288 GTO (V8)
1988 - 1991 F40 (V8)
1989 - 1994 348 TB, TS, GTB/S & Spider (V8)
1994 - 1999 F355 (V8)
1999 - 2004 360 (V8)
2005 - F430 (V8)

Now while it would be right to say that every one of these cars owes something of its existance to the original 206 and 246 Dino's, it certainly does not mean that they can all be called 'Dino's' as a catch all title.
 
iceburns288
Dino = any non 12-cylinder Ferrari (street car... some Ferraris have been de-12'd because of racing regulations, like the F1 cars these days)

Thats why i was confused because you didn't know what your talking about . Hopefully scaff has cleared this up for you.
 
The difference is, if you say "I own a Ferrari, and it's a Dino", people say, "cool" or "thats a classic" or you've got taste. Not "I own a Porsche, it's a Boxster", reply - "poser", "cheap fcuk" ect.
Yes but what if you change the dino for the new Ferrari we should be debating.

Dino = any non 12-cylinder Ferrari (street car... some Ferraris have been de-12'd because of racing regulations, like the F1 cars these days)
WTF?

Dino is not some catch-all title that you give to any Ferrari without a 12 cylinder, the Dino name was first applied to competition models that used the compact V6 first proposed by and designed by Dino Ferrari (Enzo's son who died age 24) himself.
^ The important bit.
 
ExigeExcel
Yes but what if you change the dino for the new Ferrari we should be debating.
My point was that the Dino, even though t was only a small V6, wasn't a lesser Ferrari, it was still looked upon favourabley. As for the new one, people will still see it as a Ferrari, and if it's the best in it's class which Ferrari's usually are, it will get a good response from the vast majority. The difference is, a wannabe Porsche driver can afford a Boxster, a wannabe Ferrari driver can't get any new Ferrari for less than double the Boxster's cost, including this new "baby" Ferrari. The fact is, the F430 is so good compared to the 360 it's almost moved into the next class of performance, creating another car on par with the 360 would be too close to the F430, so they're creating one a bit lower. Makes business sense and should do wonders for Ferrari's profits.
 
I'm glad that Scaff brought up that every non-V12 powered Ferrari isn't necessarily a Dino, because only the 206 and 246, plus the first generation of 308's (the blase Bertone styled generation) are truly Dinos.

However, it's also worth mentioning that Ferrari won their first two World Championships with four cylinder engines. In fact, some of the most coveted Ferraris of the 1950's, the 500 Mondial and 750/860 Monzas, were powered by 2 litre, 3 litre, and 3.4 litre (respectively) twin cam, twin plug four cylinders.

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Ferrari won't lose any prestige by building a less-expensive car if it maintains the breed's tradition of beauty and performance. I would not be surprised, in fact, if Ferrari chooses this car instead of the F430 to go 911 hunting in FIA GT/ALMS competition.
 
Jacks
That "hot hatch" ferrari definatly was an april folls joke.

Anyway an £85,000 car will not cheapen the ferrari name, the only thing that is cheapening the ferrari name is the merchandising. Ferrari will pretty much put there badge on any piece of c**p, theres even a ferrari laptop and aftershave.

There's a $10,000.00 Ferarri bike, too. It's made 90% out of carbon fibre.

The laptop was an AMD Athlon Ferarri F1 promo. I think it was about $4000.00.
 
Jacks
Thats why i was confused because you didn't know what your talking about . Hopefully scaff has cleared this up for you.

What I meant was not particularly the 'Dino' (capital D) but more of a dino. It's a term used by some Ferrari people to call the (now popular) V8 series... since the 2x6 was Ferrari's first really popular non-12 road car, the name kinda stuck for Ferrari's 'bottom-line' (3x8, 355, 360, 430) series that's become quite popular and the main selling point of the company. That's what I meant when I said it was a dino.

The 360 is a 'baby Ferrari' because it doesn't have a 12-cylinder that Enzo became famous for in his fantastic GT road cars... however, is the 360 an absolutely amazing car? Yes! Is it a great car for Ferrari? Yes! It follows the Ferrari tradition in many ways, and it's a really pure car (especially the CS), but it just has a different number of cylinders.

Now while it would be right to say that every one of these cars owes something of its existance to the original 206 and 246 Dino's, it certainly does not mean that they can all be called 'Dino's' as a catch all title.

Why not? Dino's idea of selling a compact car with a smaller engine, that in turn is hugely popular for a small company like Ferrari, still applies to the V8 line that has been running for quite some time now. They may not be '430 Dino' models but they are really based on Dino's concept that was a huge turn for Ferrari in the world market.
 
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