Im throwing my hat into the drifting ring but it seems as though all the cars im adjusting for drifting keep over-sliding when i enter the drift and the back end keeps sliding until im 180 from when i entered the turn. I started with some N2 tires but now im at n3 and its still sliding wildly. Im using the RX-7 D1GP '03 with settings i found at the depot. Is this a settings problem or am i just screwing it up on entry?
Back end keeps sliding out
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I think drifting is more difficult than you're giving it credit for.
You have to control, with throttle and steering, how far out the back end swings. It's not easy to keep from spinning out. At the JGTC All-Stars in California last December there was a group of "Professional Drifters" (whatever that may be) who have been drifting for years and still messed up on occation during the show.
Practice, practice, practice.
You have to control, with throttle and steering, how far out the back end swings. It's not easy to keep from spinning out. At the JGTC All-Stars in California last December there was a group of "Professional Drifters" (whatever that may be) who have been drifting for years and still messed up on occation during the show.
Practice, practice, practice.
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Vorian
Bes advice I can give is.....throttle control.
I have two excerises for you,
1) Do no-throttle drift - Just get sideways and manage not spinning out from there, you'll run out of speed without the gas, but it's a good lesson for learning how to control the car sideways.
2) No countersteer FR/MR drift - No, they aren't for show, but they'll teach you how about the car's own PWR-Weight ratio well enough for you to tune the car on your own (if you so choose to).
And finally, try out the D1 Silvia by HKS, it's a good, easy, fun car to learn to drift on.
what speed do you go into your drifts at ? you might be going to fast , also you may be flicking it too much into the corner , leting the back drift out of control .
i dont know bout any other people but i use sport softs to drift , the let you go into the corner faster and you dont slide out as much , but most people think they are to grippy .
i dont know bout any other people but i use sport softs to drift , the let you go into the corner faster and you dont slide out as much , but most people think they are to grippy .
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Yeah I agree, your probably flooring too much or don't really pay attention to our comments while ACTUALLY IN THE DRIFT. Cause you can read all this stuff about drifting, but to actually APPLY IT to your drifts, takes GOOD practice. And practice means only gaining experience, it's not like you should drift well in the practices, this may sound stupid and logic to most people, but I've caught myself being angry after a practice round, while I had the result I needed for the practicing: simple experience(it's almost nothing after one lap, but when you keep on practicing, you will have drifted MANY laps, and WILL HAVE gained MUCH experience).
So let that be clear:tup:
So let that be clear:tup:
Ok a lot of you have said the same thing that im probably throttling too much during drift. One way i was getting the hang of it was watching some drift vids from other people on here and i can see the acceleration bar usually at max when they entered the turn. It seems there are a few types of drifting. One being a slide with no throttle and one being a controlled throttle w/brake. I might be entering the turn to fast but usually im not going more than 50. Id like to get more replies if people have helpful info, i really appreciate it.
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Vorian
I have some example clips available in the Drift Reference (see my sig). It doesnt show much in the way of throttle control since its a relatively low HP car in use, but it does give some example of how to initiate different styles of drifts and shows steering in the reverse camera shot (to a degree, it was done on DS2 so no wheel display).
any chance of you posting a small clip in this thread? Its really hard to say with any certainty what you might try to improve on in your drifting based only on a typed description of the problem. But throttle control does sound like the culprit to me - remember, this is a 400hp car that you're throwing around.
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Vorian
Man, I'm right along with you. I have been trying for a couple of days now. I just got the D1 ER34, and trying to find the right angle entry and everything. It isn't cake you know. And I even have the DFP. So far I run in to 3 distinct problems. 1) I slide straight into the wall. 2) I get a drift, but when trying to exit the corner, I experience the stap-back, and spin out. 3) I make a good transition and exit, but the tires just stop spinning even though I'm giving it gas. I think the last one has something to do with me not down shifting quick enough to keep the power going. It's going to take some time to figure this stuff out. I have mostly been trying the e-brake method and the Feint method.
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Ill try and address your problems....
1) You are probably on the brakes too hard or didnt shift your car's weight effectively. That or you are just going too fast. Try this technique (provided you are going an apropriate speed) Jam on the brakes just real quick, jerk the wheel in the direction you want to turn and floor the throttle real quick to get your car sliding. this brings us to the next question...
2) Chances are, you are countersteering too much. Try to control your drift with the throttle more than with countersteer. if you are starting to straighten out a little hit the gas a little more and see if your angle increases. if your angle is becoming too steep, let off the gas some and countersteer slightly, if you countersteer too much you will spin out.
3) that car has noticeable turbo lag, and you will lose power if the RPMs drop too much so make sure to downshift (dont forget to let off the gas a little so youre not flooring it when the gears change, this is bad
) to keep your momentumand you have the DFP. keep practicing, ive heard its actually much HARDER with the wheel rather than using the DS2 controller.
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1. remember that you should first slow down more than you would actually go drifting into the corner, then feint (not e-brake) and then push up the gas so you would compensate the braking you did earlier, angle is just for a bit of steering and catching, but throttle increases the spin, so if you push the throtle too early, your speed of going sideways would increase and you wouldn't make the exit of that particular corner.
2. I had that too but just not anymore with my settings so........check teh Drift Settings Depot if interested
3. too much angle probably, just try to decrease your throttle input at the exit, and get the angle you want more in the beginning of the corner, I think it should work better, try it
Also get some logic sence to back it up, just to know what you did wrong after looking back, but you probably have some sence already, but then apply it more like I do when giving this advice:tup:
I just use common sence
Edit: Dang, 194GVan, he beat me to it
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practice controlling the throttle. it plays a big part in your steering. Vin's advice on excercises to practice is something i would do, give it a try.
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Vorian
ok so u watch a few videos and you tried to imitate them? well you should learn more about your car first. their car may look jus like yours but they probably have different setting to suit the player. you cant just copy them. that is not really learning. its not your own style and of course that wont suit you. you gain experience from practicing. when i first started out i have the same problem of my tail end sliding out too much, i was frustrated, but i never quit and i kept practicing and i evetually got it down, not perfect but still better than before. also if you cant solve ur problem maybe try some stickier tires? just my 2 cents
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Vorian
practice,
its pretty realistic, really
I havent found ay settings that remedy it (very well)
was a hot topic about a month ago, look back about 5 pages in this forum and you should find a lot of discussion about it
You have to do the steering work earlier to get out of the drift cleaner. When the steering work is done late, your car may have too much angle for it to exit the drift, thus too much countersteer and a "horrid snap back". Tsuchiya gives a good example in the drift bible. The amount of countersteer must be reducing when exiting, so that your tires are pointing in the direction of the exit. Also, the steering work must be progressive with the angle of the drift, can't be jolty. Once the steering work is progressive, exits will be smoother. Throttle control is important too, like what everybody else said 👍.
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Ah.. The counter steer snap... Don't you just love it when people think drifting is merely throttle, turn, brake, full lock countersteer?
Practice is what will get rid of it. It's human nature that is causing you to counter-steer fully locked. Dull your senses and feel the car.
Practice is what will get rid of it. It's human nature that is causing you to counter-steer fully locked. Dull your senses and feel the car.
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MdnIte\ Dull your senses and feel the car.
sounds corny but its true. it takes time getting use to your car, practice helps alot. i found out when i turned down the volume so i cant hear a thing, i would drift worst than with the volume on, because i would tend to listen to the tire screeching to know when the car is about to regain grip. its harder with the volume off for me cause i dont noe much about the car, but after 3+hour a day to practice i was able to get it down. the morale of the story is learn the characteristic of your car, and if u can get it down, u can drift.
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Corny too the max lol.... I just read it too myself and started laughing.
What your saying about the volume is very true. Don't bother looking at the tacho, because your just gonna focus on the tacho, not the road. Listen to the car, not the voice in your head screaming, "COUNTER STEER YOU DIMWIT". Sorry just had to put that in.
What your saying about the volume is very true. Don't bother looking at the tacho, because your just gonna focus on the tacho, not the road. Listen to the car, not the voice in your head screaming, "COUNTER STEER YOU DIMWIT".
Sorry just had to put that in.
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MdnIteAh.. The counter steer snap... Don't you just love it when people think drifting is merely throttle, turn, brake, full lock countersteer?
Practice is what will get rid of it. It's human nature that is causing you to counter-steer fully locked. Dull your senses and feel the car.
hahah, true. Most of us start off frustrated when trying out drifting on GT4 - especially after doing so well in GT3. So you're not the only one. Just practice and be patient, you'll start LOVING it like the rest of us.
