Back end keeps sliding out

  • Thread starter Thread starter Vorian
  • 54 comments
  • 9,851 views
Just for fun last night i set up a Lexus IS200 for drifiting. I was surprised how solid this car drifts, no snapback and really easy to throw around. Makes me realize that the car has to compliment your skills and you dont need a 600hp monster to drift well.
 
Vorian
Makes me realize that the car has to compliment your skills and you dont need a 600hp monster to drift well.
Click to expand...

and just like that, you understand

good stuff, i say it all the time, i think this is important
👍
 
194GVan
Ill try and address your problems....
1) You are probably on the brakes too hard or didnt shift your car's weight effectively. That or you are just going too fast. Try this technique (provided you are going an apropriate speed) Jam on the brakes just real quick, jerk the wheel in the direction you want to turn and floor the throttle real quick to get your car sliding. this brings us to the next question...
2) Chances are, you are countersteering too much. Try to control your drift with the throttle more than with countersteer. if you are starting to straighten out a little hit the gas a little more and see if your angle increases. if your angle is becoming too steep, let off the gas some and countersteer slightly, if you countersteer too much you will spin out.
3) that car has noticeable turbo lag, and you will lose power if the RPMs drop too much so make sure to downshift (dont forget to let off the gas a little so youre not flooring it when the gears change, this is bad :) ) to keep your momentum

and you have the DFP. keep practicing, ive heard its actually much HARDER with the wheel rather than using the DS2 controller.
Click to expand...




I kinda figured out my mistakes before reading you guy's post. I also changed cars. I bought the HKS D1 S15. I find it more to my taste and ability. I actually made a few good (for a first time drifter) drifts. Thanks for your suggestions and tips. I'm going to keep at it. I have put off racing for the most part until I get more practice with drifting.
 
I watched a Best Motoring Video online that has Nobuteru's HKS S-15 and I did just like the vid, set the front spring rate to 7.0 and rear to 8.0 and went around a tunr one gear higher than your supposed to and hold RPM's at around 7,000RPM's and as soon as I did that, BOOM! I drifted all but 2 turns on Twin Ring Motegi! but my first frift car was my 3rd car on GT4, my Skyline 350 GT-8 with the 8-speed semi-automatic. run that car on Twin Ring Motegi and on the 1st corner (and I would like to add that I had no traction or ASM's on at all) you can drift the whole thing full throttle, just don't go by instinct and brake or it'll pull into an understeer. the GT-8 is my favorite stock drift car
 
To go along with the less countersteer and more throttle control to control snapback, try to wear shoes or slippers while drifting too. I know it sounds dumb, but if your life is like mine, allow me to explain.

[rant]You see...my mom makes everyone take their shoes off at the door, and I have no slippers because I just moved here...it's killing me. Practicing 2-3 hours a day to try and learn to get better entry and smoother exit is much harder when I can barely grip the pedals on my DFP.[/rant]

I've noticed that it's much harder if you wear socks...your feet slip off the pedals...and I can see myself getting flames for saying something so stupid.
 
nate0rz
To go along with the less countersteer and more throttle control to control snapback, try to wear shoes or slippers while drifting too. I know it sounds dumb, but if your life is like mine, allow me to explain.

[rant]You see...my mom makes everyone take their shoes off at the door, and I have no slippers because I just moved here...it's killing me. Practicing 2-3 hours a day to try and learn to get better entry and smoother exit is much harder when I can barely grip the pedals on my DFP.[/rant]

I've noticed that it's much harder if you wear socks...your feet slip off the pedals...and I can see myself getting flames for saying something so stupid.
Click to expand...

No offcourse you aren't flamed................by me at least:scared: It actually CAN make a difference but it isn't like this prevents you from drifting. Offcourse, I can name a couple of things now: how high is your seat? low or high? it CAN make a difference:dopey: Are your hands cold? If they ARE you will not be able to turn as quick as you could with warm hands:idea::dopey: Are you in a good mood?.......

But finally you would notice those things in the first seconds you begin drifting, so I think not many people would have had these problems with drifting.
 
Ok, I have been practicing for some time now. And I just don't know what improvements I need to make. Here is my main problem, if I countersteer to much and make the turn, I get the dreaded snap back. So, I tried not countersteering as much, and end up smacking the wall that I'm facing. I can not find the happy medium that makes a smooth exit on my drift. I have been using th lift-off method. I haven't gotten the Feint down yet. But this is so frustrating, that I'm almost thinking, that I'm just not meant to drift in GT4.
 
MdnIte
Ah.. The counter steer snap... Don't you just love it when people think drifting is merely throttle, turn, brake, full lock countersteer?

Practice is what will get rid of it. It's human nature that is causing you to counter-steer fully locked. Dull your senses and feel the car. ;)
Click to expand...

When you think about it GT4 really is light years ahead of the driving model seen in gt3, i could drift just like you described in any car. GT4 is a real challenge the constant steering and throttle adjustments required required for a good drift really add to the challenge 👍
 
dragonitti
Ok, I have been practicing for some time now. And I just don't know what improvements I need to make. Here is my main problem, if I countersteer to much and make the turn, I get the dreaded snap back. So, I tried not countersteering as much, and end up smacking the wall that I'm facing. I can not find the happy medium that makes a smooth exit on my drift. I have been using th lift-off method. I haven't gotten the Feint down yet. But this is so frustrating, that I'm almost thinking, that I'm just not meant to drift in GT4.
Click to expand...

Your at exactly the same point i am, i can drift but im not very consistant and no way could i pull off a whole lap of clean drifting. It also seems that no matter how much i practice i dont seem to be improving :dunce: very strange
 
It's just a matter of practice, and learning braking points and where to shift the weight. Both of you are at the point where you can hold a drift, you just have to experiment with different ways of entering a turn.
 
Yeah, using the e-brake to initiate a drift is almost completely unnecessary and in truth, should not work with the newer Skyline or the old FC RX-7.

Smooth, precise transferring of the weight over certain tires works 100% of the time.

If it doesn't; work on it.

/reply
 
Because the e-brake is designed in a way that it doesn't lock the rear wheels.

You basically have to modify it to use it effectively while drifting.
 
d3p0
Ya
Click to expand...

I would continue this one-word-post-a-thon, but it must have been a certain year that had the e-brake thing.

Moving on..


1.25 hours later: Whoa sorry guys, didn't mean to slow things down more than they were already going.

It's strange how the drifting forums fluctuate from like 25 to 250 users at any given time.

Dats wack!

Ehem- yes.. continuing?
 
Sloth
Because the e-brake is designed in a way that it doesn't lock the rear wheels.

You basically have to modify it to use it effectively while drifting.
Click to expand...


in my 86 it locks em up

antisport
the snap back isnt like that in "real life" it has its effects but the same. I have a few friends with the whole Nissan sr20det thing goin on and they have told me that it doesnt happen like that.
Click to expand...

thats only because when they are coming out of a drift they are smart enough to not have the wheel full lock.
 
Why would you have the wheel full lock on exit.

It's more likely that they just don't sharply lift off the throttle and shift all that weight forwards.

That's what causes it, and because people don't die when they crash, some find it hard to understand that, so drifts ends all suddenly and upsets the balance of the car and makes it look all shakey.

DS2 users complain about 'snap back' but that's only because they blip the throttle very quickly.

What people don't realize is that you can just set your angle and cornering line at the start of the drift and just maintain RPM and follow through perfectly.

Too often am I seeing rapid changes in car angle.


*pause*

If I make a demo video tomorrow, Ryen will host it and this is where I'll post the link.

A video like that is undeserving of it's own thread, but I will be sure to make it useful as well as entertaining.

Forgive me if I'm too busy with life to follow through with that, but it will only be a day later.

These are my words 👍
 
d3p0
"Why would you have the wheel full lock on exit."

Maximum angle.
Click to expand...

This is true, but then you put the control of your exit totally in the hands of throttle control. I like to have just a little bit more to go at exit to smooth things out. That's just me though.
 
Yeah, with higher powered cars you need that margin. With low powered cars you can hit full throttle and full lock at the same time.
 

Latest Posts

Back