Best Car 2008 Series: China - Rule Clarification Needed

[homeforsummer]

I see your Zap and raise you the three-wheeled Peugeot 206 rip-off. I've also seen pics of a three-wheeled Prius rip off!

Loving the plastic fantastic seats in that Zap

 

[Joey D]

I like how the Zap Xebra has an older VW Polo front end.

 

[homeforsummer]

Looks more like an older Matiz front end:

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I suspect he was doing the Buick.

So to speak.

So was I.

No.

The car maybe designed in Australia, I'll give it that. But GM Shanghai owns the rights to the Buick Park Avenue, the car is also financed by them because China buys the kits from Holden (why would they get them for free?). The car is 100% in China because a bunch of parts are shipped over and screwed together...how on Earth is that wrong?

As for manufacturing, I bet a lot of parts are actually made in China, Taiwan, or Korea, like a lot of GM vehicles. Manufacturing of parts doesn't really mean much since the whole manufacturing industry is very global now.

Go by the criteria Car-Less laid out the Buick is Chinese even though it wasn't designed there but rather for there.



I wish I was doing a Buick, they are so hot....errrr wait.

Holden owns the rights because if they wanted to they could stop providing them the Statesman, it's their car and their decision. But they wouldn't, because they're making money. The design and engineering work was financed by Holden, which was what I was talking, otherwise you'd have to say every car ever made is financed by the person buying it (which technically is true), but that's hardly right. When I said manufacturing, I was talking the design and engineering, and was using assembly as physically making the parts that go on, if that makes sense.

 

[Joey D]

Looks more like an older Matiz front end:

That it does, guess I was unaware of that, no one really buys Daewoos in the states...unless you count the Aveo.

Holden owns the rights because if they wanted to they could stop providing them the Statesman, it's their car and their decision. But they wouldn't, because they're making money. The design and engineering work was financed by Holden, which was what I was talking, otherwise you'd have to say every car ever made is financed by the person buying it (which technically is true), but that's hardly right. When I said manufacturing, I was talking the design and engineering, and was using assembly as physically making the parts that go on, if that makes sense.

Technically GM owns the rights, which is American. But since Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation owns 50% of GM Shanghai, and they are the ones that put the car together I would say the car is Chinese to some extent. SAIC helps finance the car by buying the kits.

Design and engineering aren't manufacturing, manufacturing the building process of the car, which takes parts from all over the world. I wouldn't be surprised if there were American sourced components in the car.

 

[YSSMAN]

Can someone do a similar analysis of the Holden/Buick?

Original design = GLOBAL - Aussie chassis, Chinese exterior/interior, American engines and transmissions. This one is a "mutt" plain and simple
Rights (now) owned by = CHINA - You could just say 'GM' but it is the Chinese arm of an American brand, both of which operate independently of eachother
Manufactured in = CHINA
Financed by = GLOBAL
Assembled by = CHINA - Some parts may come from elsewhere, but most of the work is done where it is sold (per rules of that country)

For the sake of doing so, we will honor both the TF and the Park Avenue as Chinese automobiles. It would be impossible to say that the Buick is anything close to 'American' given its origins, and it certainly isn't Australian either. As for the MG, its no big deal. Its been revised by the Chinese to the point where its a different car, so we'll just let it slide in.

I'll make the voting thread in a little bit here.

 

[Tornado]

In any other company than this:

Not that bad considering what it rips off. In fact, I would call it the perfect copy. I've found it odd that everyone reacted so badly to that yet when the Brilliance was tested (that folded as if it was fashioned out of tin) they somehow rated it higher despite doing worse than cars made 20 years ago (rather than doing just as well as SUVs 10 years ago).

The car is 100% in China because a bunch of parts are shipped over and screwed together...how on Earth is that wrong?

Hecho en México!​