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BOB The test pilot ?
Being a dedicated reader of GTPlanet forums for years now, I realized that - has it happens in virtually any forum on the net about whatever subject we can find here very different opinions about everything.
The issue here being tuning advices.
For instance, many are strongly convinced that in GT5 there are at least some settings that are reversed in comparison to real life, while others swear they are not.
And - once this is not quantum physics or about Schrödinger's cat being dead or alive - the only certainty we all can have is that:
They simply cannot be both right!.
Right ?
But, please note that my intention with this thread is not to open a new battlefront for that polemic. Quite the opposite, as youll see if you are patient and interested enough to read this (long) post.
Furthermore, we can find around here many crazy tunes that seem to, somehow, satisfy some. Not me, Im afraid. By crazy tunes I mean those having a mixture of settings maxed out with others minimized, unrealistic values for toe, camber, and so on. It always seems to me that people maximize a setting to try to compensate some other mistake. Every time I tried that kind of tunes I found them quite unsatisfying; and found myself a better one.
At this point maybe I should say that after having hit lvl 40 with all pilots, owning +800 cars, and spending millions of credits like crazy, there are still two aspects of GT5 that keep me addicted to the game instead of just hibernating until GT6 hits the shelves:
1) the weekly renewed online events (even with SRF forced on) and
2) trying to tune every car (well, almost) in my garage the best I can
But I have a big problem in my role as a test pilot that Im sure most of you may share with me: I just CANNOT repeat a lap EXACTLY the same way I did in the previous ones! And so, it is not possible to conclude that, if this time I got off the road on turn X, that was because the current setting is worst that the previous one. It could very well be because I simply didn´t follow the same exact path; or wasnt at the same exact speed; or didnt change gears at the same exact point; and some minimal difference on any of these conditions was just what was needed to surpass the coefficient of traction and go to the grass.
Sure, testing is one of the two reasons I mentioned that keeps me using GT5 almost every weekend (unfortunately for me the remaining 5 are workdays), but
I now feel the need for something more.
Maybe in the form of log data that we could analyze in a more precise way, or an alternative Im sure would be much easier to implement: a specialized BOB !
Instead of requesting PD for new tracks or cars, I for one would like them to provide us with a test pilot !!!
One that may be absolutely consistent on every lap. This is almost impossible for any human pilot but it sure IS absolutely natural for a computer program. In fact Im quite sure that introducing some degree of unpredictability on Bobs behavior was (is) the most difficult part for the PD programmers. All they would need to do would be, for this special BOB, to turn off the variations on the pilot behavior, his weariness and fatigue. And keep him on a fixed point along the red-blue bar.
Yes, I know what some of you may be thinking right now: this would remove the pleasure of testing the cars ourselves. I feel the opposite. Wed continue to be able to test the tunings ourselves and, in the end, we would have a form of validation of the settings changes that would be pedagogic and increase our tuning abilities.
After all isnt GT5 supposed to be more than just another driving game ?! I believe that it already is. But this (really simple) implementation would contribute to broaden even more the GT5 appeal.
What do you think ?
Being a dedicated reader of GTPlanet forums for years now, I realized that - has it happens in virtually any forum on the net about whatever subject we can find here very different opinions about everything.
The issue here being tuning advices.
For instance, many are strongly convinced that in GT5 there are at least some settings that are reversed in comparison to real life, while others swear they are not.
And - once this is not quantum physics or about Schrödinger's cat being dead or alive - the only certainty we all can have is that:
They simply cannot be both right!.
Right ?
But, please note that my intention with this thread is not to open a new battlefront for that polemic. Quite the opposite, as youll see if you are patient and interested enough to read this (long) post.
Furthermore, we can find around here many crazy tunes that seem to, somehow, satisfy some. Not me, Im afraid. By crazy tunes I mean those having a mixture of settings maxed out with others minimized, unrealistic values for toe, camber, and so on. It always seems to me that people maximize a setting to try to compensate some other mistake. Every time I tried that kind of tunes I found them quite unsatisfying; and found myself a better one.
At this point maybe I should say that after having hit lvl 40 with all pilots, owning +800 cars, and spending millions of credits like crazy, there are still two aspects of GT5 that keep me addicted to the game instead of just hibernating until GT6 hits the shelves:
1) the weekly renewed online events (even with SRF forced on) and
2) trying to tune every car (well, almost) in my garage the best I can
But I have a big problem in my role as a test pilot that Im sure most of you may share with me: I just CANNOT repeat a lap EXACTLY the same way I did in the previous ones! And so, it is not possible to conclude that, if this time I got off the road on turn X, that was because the current setting is worst that the previous one. It could very well be because I simply didn´t follow the same exact path; or wasnt at the same exact speed; or didnt change gears at the same exact point; and some minimal difference on any of these conditions was just what was needed to surpass the coefficient of traction and go to the grass.
Sure, testing is one of the two reasons I mentioned that keeps me using GT5 almost every weekend (unfortunately for me the remaining 5 are workdays), but
I now feel the need for something more.
Maybe in the form of log data that we could analyze in a more precise way, or an alternative Im sure would be much easier to implement: a specialized BOB !
Instead of requesting PD for new tracks or cars, I for one would like them to provide us with a test pilot !!!
One that may be absolutely consistent on every lap. This is almost impossible for any human pilot but it sure IS absolutely natural for a computer program. In fact Im quite sure that introducing some degree of unpredictability on Bobs behavior was (is) the most difficult part for the PD programmers. All they would need to do would be, for this special BOB, to turn off the variations on the pilot behavior, his weariness and fatigue. And keep him on a fixed point along the red-blue bar.
Yes, I know what some of you may be thinking right now: this would remove the pleasure of testing the cars ourselves. I feel the opposite. Wed continue to be able to test the tunings ourselves and, in the end, we would have a form of validation of the settings changes that would be pedagogic and increase our tuning abilities.
After all isnt GT5 supposed to be more than just another driving game ?! I believe that it already is. But this (really simple) implementation would contribute to broaden even more the GT5 appeal.
What do you think ?
driving style, not our own...
