Bodykits and Tuner Parts: Can They Be Useful?

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You, a dull car, and an average day on the road. If you had artistic talent, you seen something special in your car that you can change the cosmetics of the outside of the car, and make a personalized ride that makes you stand out among others. Anyone who may know about me know that the sport compact magazine I like most is "Super Street." After all, the witty humor and good coverage of tuned and modded cars makes it the number one magazine when it comes to sport compacts and imports. But when I think about it, can a body kit actually serve a purpose other than cosmetics? I'll start.

I think a special bodykit doesn't completely change the car's handling or weight, it just gives it a new personality. Don't be surprised if you have a fast-looking car and you're challenged to back up the fact it's a good car. To me, as much cosmetic enhancements to the car will actually make the machine something it really isn't. As I might have said, I think people have cars they know may not compare with more powerful and more exotic machinery, but their car is perfect for them. When I get a license, I'm probably thinking about a British Racing Green or blue Mini Cooper or Mini Cooper S (that would make MiniMADness smile). But even then, I know I don't have fancy machinery to tote around for bragging rights. I know I would be performance bound, but I know my limits. I don't want to modify a car into something that I know the car was never meant to be. I wouldn't want to take chances. Maybe a muffler kit, computer chip, a K&N air filter (they add horsepower), and that's about it. Make it maybe 200 horses and make it perform. Or if I had a deathwish, I'd for for 239 hps like when you bought the Mini works car from GT2.

I look at my bookshelf and I see my Honda Civic with Super Street livery from Hot Wheels. I'm going to talk about the noticables about this machine and maybe the life-size version of the car:

(based on Super Street Magazine with headline: "Turbo Charge."
"Super Street" Magazine, March 2001, page 64)
-Wings West Avenger-style front and rear bumpers, Type W side skirts and Shark Wing; Kaminari carbon-fiber hoodie, Modern IMage "graffix."
-MOMO Racing Extreme Seats, seatbelt harness and pads, Top Power steering wheel, Combat shift knob and tuning pedals, Car Craft vinyl seats, Auto Custom Carpet Corvette Red door panels by Traffic Jamz, Autopower rollbar, Autometer Monster Tach.

That's all I'm going to pull up about this Super Street Honda Civic. Now there is one point I should bring up. I think with all the exterior and interior modifications, I think the engine remained stock, so don't think this is a car that wished it were fast. It is just a custom machine and nothing less. But back to the question at hand. Tuners want to mod their cars to LOOK like they mean business. Some even can back up their claim. I think the ones that pay more attention to performance and engine tuning are often the ones with the hottest machinery. But can they be effective? Some like to think these parts are only for wannabe race cars. I think they at least do their part, even if they sound like "farts." Some of the race cars that don't look like pimped-out customs are the drifting cars. Signal Auto built themselves a 600hp Nissan Silvia to tackle the drifting scene, and they can perform. I'm pretty sure they are street legal, granted that they aren't racing exclusive. But I think these parts can actually perform.

So what do you think? Can these bodykits and tuner parts UPGRADE or DOWNGRADE performance of the stock vehicle?
 
Do you ever make threads that aren't novels? :odd:

As far as bodykits go... anything you can buy from Wings West or any other ****ty company you'll find in St00pid Street, it's just for show. Same for wings.

There's not a whole lot of brands that actually sell parts that offer true aerodynamic improvements, and they usually cost a pretty penny. Most people with a will to race don't care about bodykits, they'll custom build themselves some splitters and diffusers, not some "Cyber EVO VI Style Shogun Hibashi Type-R N1" crap.
 
I don't really think any of this adds to the cars perforamnce..inside or out. Alright so you shave 20 pounds by taking out the rear seat and adding racing seats to the front..is 20 pounds really going to increase you from high 13s to low 12s? No..niether will body kits. Although if the car has the motor to back up all this..go for it. Myself..i'm looking for a body kit for my laser..because I have that nice little 2.0 turbo DOHC sitting under the hood. Although I'm making my car show set-up..not silly street racing set-up. I'm sure that body kits on serious tuner cars..only add weight..seriously..look the the stock parts they take off..thier alot smaller and sometimes even weight less than the C-West body kit.
 
Actually, for every 100 pounds you remove out of your car, you lose 1/10 of a second off of your time slip. Something i just learned was that brake setups are VERY HEAVY. Like on...whats that show on SPEED...where they take someone's car and tey modify it...anyways, they changed the brake setup on a WRX ad shvaed off 150 pounds.
 
Originally posted by 90TurboDSM
I don't really think any of this adds to the cars perforamnce..inside or out. Alright so you shave 20 pounds by taking out the rear seat and adding racing seats to the front..is 20 pounds really going to increase you from high 13s to low 12s? No..niether will body kits. Although if the car has the motor to back up all this..go for it. Myself..i'm looking for a body kit for my laser..because I have that nice little 2.0 turbo DOHC sitting under the hood. Although I'm making my car show set-up..not silly street racing set-up. I'm sure that body kits on serious tuner cars..only add weight..seriously..look the the stock parts they take off..thier alot smaller and sometimes even weight less than the C-West body kit.

The DSMs certainly aren't bad little cars, I'll agree, but they're not fast. A friend and I... compared... both our cars out, and without launching, I was pulling on him decently (he has 1991 Eagle Talon) and I was taking it pretty easy on the shifts (called it quits at 55mph). 11 to 12 second street cars are fast, like the AMGs. Plus, I think the first generation DSMs wouldn't look all that great with body kits.... if they even make them.

anyways, they changed the brake setup on a WRX ad shvaed off 150 pounds.

Reeeeheheheaaaalllllly....
 
the only body kit that I can think of that can upgrade performance(not by a lot) is the Mugen Integra Type R DC2. Theres a diagram that shows how the wind travels throughout the car and out. But I can't find it.
 
Originally posted by 90TurboDSM
Alright so you shave 20 pounds by taking out the rear seat and adding racing seats to the front..is 20 pounds really going to increase you from high 13s to low 12s?
No this wont, but every 100 pounds taken out will cut down 1 tenth in the quarter, and 1 tenth can make or break a 12 second run. You have to start somewhere. If I take out 20 pounds in my Talon here, and than maybe another 30 in the next month or so, than take out 50 another day... theres a tenth. Its all not instant, but it all adds up. When I built my 4G63 up, I built it with no A/C and balance shafts, sure its great to have but performance is more important to me than comfort. By taking out the compressor, lines, Condensor and balance shafts, I saved myself about 50 pounds. Just a few weeks ago I purchased an HKS VPC and was able to take out all of my emmissions, and MAS sensor, the huge air can and rubber intake and replace it with an open filter with a 3" stainless intake. All this here was probally about 10 pounds saved. So lets say now im at 60 pounds. When I go to the track and take out my spare tire, the jack set, the rear particle board under the carpet, as well as the cover over the inside of the hatch, there is roughly another 40 pounds wich will all add up to 100 wich will take another tenth off my time.

Body kits in no way will increase a cars performance. There is nothing aero-dynamic about them other than alot of drag. Especially the spoilers that do absolutly nothing. "Functional" spoilers have to be dialed in and adjusted, not just bolted on. Functional spoilers on real race cars arent really affective untill over 100 mph. Take example on the Chrysler ME-412, the spoiler at roughly 75 mph makes 73 pounds of downforce, and at 200mph makes 714 pounds of downforce. If your little honda can go fast enough to even make some effective downforce, I congratulate you.
 
Originally posted by 90TurboDSM
I'm making my car show set-up..not silly street racing set-up. I'm sure that body kits on serious tuner cars..only add weight..seriously..look the the stock parts they take off..thier alot smaller and sometimes even weight less than the C-West body kit.
All this coming from a guy with a next to bone-stock Laser with an enormous wing.

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All of C-West's aero components are wind tunnel tested, and most are race-proven.

Originally posted by Goomba
The DSMs certainly aren't bad little cars, I'll agree, but they're not fast.
You have been very lucky as far as the type of DSM's you have come across then. DSM's can be built to go very fast for very little money. Straight line or on a roadcourse.
 
I know they can be made to go fast. There is a guy around here that has 600whp, and a good friend of mine has a slightly modified Laser that could probably kill me. I'm just saying a stock turbocharged DSM isn't fast.

I'm still shakey on the whole, "What is and what isn't a DSM" line. If 3000GT/Evolutions are, then yes, they're faster. I'm still sticking by my 11 to 12 second quarter mile as being fast for a street car. And yes, I know they can be built to go that fast; if I recall correctly you (Monster) had 3000GT VR-4 that was pretty fast.

PS. I'm not saying my WRX is fast either. It's only a half second quicker than a stock T/E/L (14.3 vs. 14.9, respectivly) and is in the same SCCA class as the turbocharged DSM.

After editing the post for the umpteenth time, I'm going to work.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
Do you ever make threads that aren't novels? :odd:
Well heres your answer.
Originally posted by JohnBM01
GTPlanet, hello again.

As my brother picked me up from school, he came in with his Sebring rental car. But rental car or not, I had a chance to enjoy what this Sebring could deliver as we headed home... with the top down! Since it was getting to be total darkness, the air was cool as we breezed by. I can imagine why convertible lovers love to let their tops down and enjoy the air and sun. But listening to music and enjoying the open air, it was fun as crap! Only thing is, I wouldn't recommend a convertible for the weather expected for Friday and Saturday here in Houston.

It was a pretty cool experience to say the most.
 
Can we concentrate more on the topic and not how long my posts are? Damn it to hell, man!

People who poke tun at tuner and mod cars like to say their bodykits and performance parts only make the car worse than it looks. The reason I brought up this thread is to talk about bodykits, body parts, performance parts... mostly I'm referring to the tuner crowd of today's auto market. I know that bodykits don't always mean a car is as fast as it looks. Like for example, a Supra with a hood scoop, as if it were a mid-engine exotic.

But I am actually surprised that some of the stuff I see in magazines can actually improve performance, if only slightly. Again, thanks for your insight, folks. Let's keep it going.
 
It depends on the purpose of the car, and the body kit.

If it's a trailer queen show car, then sure, wild, heavy body kits can be extremely useful. They'll win some shows, because some of them actual look really good.

However, adding one of those super wild body kits to a car "tuned for speed" (I use that term lightly in regards to most "tuners") is fairly stupid. Most of them don't do anything but increase drag, and this is, of course, bad. But, you won't stop people from adding body kits to their "performance" cars, because let's face it, everyone wants to drive a nice looking car.
 
hiya! :D :embarrassed: :lol:

In my opinion or I know other people may have the same opinion too, Body Kits and Performance tuning isnt neccessary AT ALL! But... :rolleyes: people still want them anyways to get that "fast" feeling going on or just to be unique from others or want to make their cars look fancy. It's like, why do you need 400-600 Horsepower for? :odd: Of course you can say its for racing, but I hope you know its illegal to street race and with California strict law on street racing, you will feel soooo bad if you get caught. Body Kit to me is just a way to make your car look cooler but I just dont really tend to think how it can really make a BIG difference alone. The tuning parts I can see can make you go faster and stuff. Its worth it if you want your car to go faster, but you going to have to spend alot to make 1 second difference at a time. Plus, one of the ttype of tuning I usually dont like been done is when they take out their ENTIRE interior with only leaving the dashboard and two front seats in place. I dont like to see this kind of car on the street because in my opinion, it doesnt look professional on the street and I bet the car is now worth pretty much nothing for resale and alot of dialy drivers looking for a used car would NEVER pick such a "half" car...
 
Originally posted by McLaren'sAngel
hiya! :D :embarrassed: :lol:

In my opinion or I know other people may have the same opinion too, Body Kits and Performance tuning isnt neccessary AT ALL! But... :rolleyes: people still want them anyways to get that "fast" feeling going on or just to be unique from others or want to make their cars look fancy. It's like, why do you need 400-600 Horsepower for? :odd: Of course you can say its for racing, but I hope you know its illegal to street race and with California strict law on street racing, you will feel soooo bad if you get caught. Body Kit to me is just a way to make your car look cooler but I just dont really tend to think how it can really make a BIG difference alone. The tuning parts I can see can make you go faster and stuff. Its worth it if you want your car to go faster, but you going to have to spend alot to make 1 second difference at a time. Plus, one of the ttype of tuning I usually dont like been done is when they take out their ENTIRE interior with only leaving the dashboard and two front seats in place. I dont like to see this kind of car on the street because in my opinion, it doesnt look professional on the street and I bet the car is now worth pretty much nothing for resale and alot of dialy drivers looking for a used car would NEVER pick such a "half" car...
1. Why would someone need 400-600hp? To be faster than the other person, and because they can.
2. Not everyone lives in California
3. Obviously if the entire interior is stripped with only the dash and two racing seats remaining, daily driveability and your opinion will be the last thing on the owners mind.
4. Whatever is taken out can be put back in.
5. Put down the Super Street magazine and never look at it ever again.
 
Originally posted by pimp racer


CCR? ( Chop Cut & Rebuild)

YEA! Thats it. It was something like 150 lbs wasnt it? Goomba's interested:lol:.

Originally posted by Monster7
1. Why would someone need 400-600hp? To be faster than the other person, and because they can.
2. Not everyone lives in California
3. Obviously if the entire interior is stripped with only the dash and two racing seats remaining, daily driveability and your opinion will be the last thing on the owners mind.
4. Whatever is taken out can be put back in.
5. Put down the Super Street magazine and never look at it ever again.

Finally someone talks back to "her":rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01
GTPlanet, nice to see you again.

You, a dull car, and an average day on the road. If you had artistic talent, you seen something special in your car that you can change the cosmetics of the outside of the car, and make a personalized ride that makes you stand out among others. Anyone who may know about me know that the sport compact magazine I like most is "Super Street." After all, the witty humor and good coverage of tuned and modded cars makes it the number one magazine when it comes to sport compacts and imports. But when I think about it, can a body kit actually serve a purpose other than cosmetics? I'll start.

I think a special bodykit doesn't completely change the car's handling or weight, it just gives it a new personality. Don't be surprised if you have a fast-looking car and you're challenged to back up the fact it's a good car. To me, as much cosmetic enhancements to the car will actually make the machine something it really isn't. As I might have said, I think people have cars they know may not compare with more powerful and more exotic machinery, but their car is perfect for them. When I get a license, I'm probably thinking about a British Racing Green or blue Mini Cooper or Mini Cooper S (that would make MiniMADness smile). But even then, I know I don't have fancy machinery to tote around for bragging rights. I know I would be performance bound, but I know my limits. I don't want to modify a car into something that I know the car was never meant to be. I wouldn't want to take chances. Maybe a muffler kit, computer chip, a K&N air filter (they add horsepower), and that's about it. Make it maybe 200 horses and make it perform. Or if I had a deathwish, I'd for for 239 hps like when you bought the Mini works car from GT2.

I look at my bookshelf and I see my Honda Civic with Super Street livery from Hot Wheels. I'm going to talk about the noticables about this machine and maybe the life-size version of the car:

(based on Super Street Magazine with headline: "Turbo Charge."
"Super Street" Magazine, March 2001, page 64)
-Wings West Avenger-style front and rear bumpers, Type W side skirts and Shark Wing; Kaminari carbon-fiber hoodie, Modern IMage "graffix."
-MOMO Racing Extreme Seats, seatbelt harness and pads, Top Power steering wheel, Combat shift knob and tuning pedals, Car Craft vinyl seats, Auto Custom Carpet Corvette Red door panels by Traffic Jamz, Autopower rollbar, Autometer Monster Tach.

That's all I'm going to pull up about this Super Street Honda Civic. Now there is one point I should bring up. I think with all the exterior and interior modifications, I think the engine remained stock, so don't think this is a car that wished it were fast. It is just a custom machine and nothing less. But back to the question at hand. Tuners want to mod their cars to LOOK like they mean business. Some even can back up their claim. I think the ones that pay more attention to performance and engine tuning are often the ones with the hottest machinery. But can they be effective? Some like to think these parts are only for wannabe race cars. I think they at least do their part, even if they sound like "farts." Some of the race cars that don't look like pimped-out customs are the drifting cars. Signal Auto built themselves a 600hp Nissan Silvia to tackle the drifting scene, and they can perform. I'm pretty sure they are street legal, granted that they aren't racing exclusive. But I think these parts can actually perform.

So what do you think? Can these bodykits and tuner parts UPGRADE or DOWNGRADE performance of the stock vehicle?

the respect I had for you dropped 1/10th because you think super stink is a good magazine. make it two tenths.

now, to the point: I don't even think any bodykits can do much to a street car. if you are gonna race the car, then you should research for the stuff that is really gonna work, but most of the times you'll have to build it yourself, because most of the bodykits today are just for looks. I know that some are serious, but come on, you really not going to put that Blitz bodykit on your R34 to run 230something mph (or whatever it was) even if you are gonna race the damned car. and sorry to say, but most of them look hideous. and Im not talking about the grotesque stuff we all lovely call "rice" but about some of the packages that recognized tuners offer, like c-west, mines, and that stuff. it's all a matter of taset, I know, and about what people want, but I cant really mention one bodykit that will do much good to a street car in terms of function or performance, unless the kit is lighter than the stock part. that would be the only real advantage I could see... well, that and the look.

Cano
 
Sometimes, I've seen Veilside Kits. About the most decent-looking was a special kit for the Honda S2000. But as I said, tuning for looks is all fine and dandy, but at one point, you'll have to back up your car's performance. So if you spend your money on suicide doors and stereo systems, and you're being compared to a pure sports car or muscle car, you got some major bragging rights on the line. What are you going to do if lose... BIG? It's more like what Dyno Truth or Dare off of "Sports Car Revolution" is looking for. SCR probably hopes a person will come in with a fancy-looking economy car, say he's running 350hp, when he's running 148, for example. But anyhow, a person who put a lot of money tuning into handling and speed than cosmetics actually has a nice-performing car. I seen a car go down the streets with an SCCA Club Rally driver plate on his/her car. No fancy paint, no killer stereo system, none of that.

Now while I slowly lose respect on GTP, if a sport compact or non-American car makes its way into drifting, then I don't think a really fancy paintscheme can be used. To me, flamboyant bodykits and stuff won't work in drifting, and it can be a serious motorsport. Heck, some say "drifting. Sliding sideways. Wow," but at least it is not anything overdone or already been done before. You can actually make a car a drifter and make cornering fun. If you can't get into road racing, then at least give drifting a try with bodykits and tuner parts. Before I close this reply, I don't want to hear ANYTHING about NFS Underground or anything like that.
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01
Sometimes, I've seen Veilside Kits. About the most decent-looking was a special kit for the Honda S2000.
Yeah those look pretty cool compared to the other body kits for the Honda S2000.
 
Some body kits look really nice and so do groud effects. I mostly like things like that on trucks though. The Xenon S-10 kit looks sweet. Street Scene makes some sweet looking truck kits too.

I also think Saleen does the body work good with the stangs.
 
we all know that Veilside makes absolutely hideous bodykits, wheels and everything in bewteen. hell, even their paint schemes are ugly. and the S2000 kit is among one of the ugliest, right there with the surpa kit and w... bah, with all of them.

Cano
 
I would think that slapping a body kit onto a car is one thing. Making it work is another. An example I just thought about is the Subaru Impreza WRC of this year. An example I'd like to note is the rear wing, for example. I note how it looks, and it was designed for rear-end downforce while racing on tarmac or dirt or snow rallies. But buy it for your street Impreza/WRX, and it's literally for looks. I tend to think the race cars are built for... well, racing. I think if a car wants to add function with body parts, they would have to be engineered and as in NASCAR terms, "dialed in." But to me, what youngster has access to multi-million dollar factories and excessive tuning, like with Rod Millen or somebody? And as far as the Veilside kit for the S2000 goes, I think it would have looked better if the front end didn't have that special grill for the front bumper. You really want to make justice with body kits and especially with the Honda S2000, just try to make things more like the S2000 LM off of GT3. But to me, the four headlights above the front bumper look a little weird for the car. I'd say maybe make a light arrangement similar to the Oreca Viper in GT3, and maybe can the two inlets on the sides of the front bumper in favor of big fog lights. But only do that if you plan on racing with these. I'm not sure if those inlets are actually functional to the engine.

I'll get to other bodykits if I get the chance. But remember, this thread is about body kits AND tuner parts such as Tanabe, Greddy, Signal Auto, all them.
 
So do some of the bodykit parts for the Saleen Mustangs help lighten the car's weight, or are they show cars of already-powerful cars, now that you mentioned the Saleen Mustangs?
 
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