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i have done every type of search and couldn't find anything, i even searched in the drag racing forum.

I have an M3 CSL, maxed out it only has 501 HP.
i have seen some with more, some with less..
i have heard of some hitting 525 HP.
my question is, how? and why?

some buddies online have said it was the way the car was broken in.
for instance not changing the oil until a certain point. or breaking in the car before and after each engine stage upgrade.

i have a CSL stock, no oil change with only 565 miles on it (possibly one with 142 miles)
now i know thats past regular break in mileage, but if this break in between upgrades does indeed impact total HP at the end, i would like to know before wasting my time driving around in circles.

thanks in advance guys.
 
thanks for the reply, but see.. i am basically asking if there is a certain trick i can perform to get max HP. i'm not asking how or when to perform the maintenance, or what i gain from doing it normally. i'm asking for break in procedure.

you can find lists of HP numbers submitted for the same car, and they all vary.
a few are much higher then the rest.

for example, i have looked up, and talked to people who have had 520+ HP CSL's

My CSL only has 565 miles on it, i just performed all upgrades, it has a max HP of 502.

max out your CSL, what HP is it at? if its at 501-502 wouldn't you want to know why?
and if its at 520+, dupe it and send me one haha.
 
The true issue lies within gullibility on your part and ignorance on theirs.

Call me a cynic, but until you see picture proof of these fabled 520+ HP cars, I'm calling BS. It's just people with alternate versions of the game, who think that their measurement of power is the same as the American version, but they are incorrect. Pics or it didn't happen, simple as that.
 
Adrenaline
The true issue lies within gullibility on your part and ignorance on theirs.

Call me a cynic, but until you see picture proof of these fabled 520+ HP cars, I'm calling BS. It's just people with alternate versions of the game, who think that their measurement of power is the same as the American version, but they are incorrect. Pics or it didn't happen, simple as that.
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Correct. They could be talking BHP instead of HP. I had this same arguement with a guy concerning NASCAR cars. NASCAR cars max out at 892 HP. He claimed his had 905 HP. As it turned out, it was 905 BHP, not HP. Just a different unit of measurement.
 
GTP_CargoRat
Correct. They could be talking BHP instead of HP. I had this same arguement with a guy concerning NASCAR cars. NASCAR cars max out at 892 HP. He claimed his had 905 HP. As it turned out, it was 905 BHP, not HP. Just a different unit of measurement.
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Nah, SAE-Hp (net) is pretty much the same as bhp. Bhp stands usually for the british brake horsepower (go away with boiler hp :lol:) and this is like I said pretty much the same as what you guys in the USA use.

That guy was using metric hp, but I've never seen metric hp listed as bhp. CV, DIN-PS, etc are metric hp units and by the factor 1.014 higher.


Oh and one more thing: Just because you see "hp" doesn't necessarily mean it's the american SAE-HP.
 
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We use Kilowatts in Australia (a metric measure of work done)

1 kilowatt = 1.341 horsepower.

But i'm old so i speak in horsepower.
 
Bagmup
We use Kilowatts in Australia (a metric measure of work done)

1 kilowatt = 1.341 horsepower.

But i'm old so i speak in horsepower.
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mechanical hp, yes



GT5 shows Kw and Nm if I set the language to german (my first language).
 
If your running online tire wear has to be on for the car to break-in.

I normally change the oil in a new car to raise the hp. I drive the car or have my b-spec drivers run it until I can change the oil again. I think it is 124miles according to the link I posted. I do this to make the procedure faster. I then run it until about 186 miles and change the oil again and it is at it's full hp. I do all my Nascars this way and I have the same hp as everyone else. If they have a higher hp then they need to prove it.
 
My question is how do you have a brand new csl? Arent those cars obtained from the used car lot? I have 2 csl and they both had more than 1000 miles on them when i got them. Color me confused.
 
kleefton
My question is how do you have a brand new csl? Arent those cars obtained from the used car lot? I have 2 csl and they both had more than 1000 miles on them when i got them. Color me confused.
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All cars purchased from the OCD are 0 miles. I believe I have an unsullied CSL nestled at the back of my garage...

{Cy}
 
Call it gullible if you want, there was no confusion on measurement, seeing as the total PP value reached was also higher.

This guys CSL did 200 mph down the long straight of nurb no srf no tire wear no draft.

Can yours?

I am currently running low 6:27's around the ring at 550 pp, only using abs at 1
My persistance is due to the NEED for a 6:25 lap.
 
rosckolove
I am currently running low 6:27's around the ring at 550 pp, only using abs at 1
My persistance is due to the NEED for a 6:25 lap.
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This is an Alien time. 550PP road car racing soft.... only ABS1 ??? Very very nice.
 
I don't need to prove it.

Seeing a CSL do 200 MPH is the proof I have witnessed, whether or not you believe it is not the debate. I'll make a seperate thread for that argument if you like.

If you don't know how to make a CSL hit 200, your not helping.
You may simply state, I don't know :)
 
rosckolove
I don't need to prove it.

Seeing a CSL do 200 MPH is the proof I have witnessed, whether or not you believe it is not the debate. I'll make a seperate thread for that argument if you like.

If you don't know how to make a CSL hit 200, your not helping.
You may simply state, I don't know :)
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I'm not talking about the 200 mph, I'm talking about these fabled high horse power cars, and unicorns you seem to think exist.


praiano63
This is an Alien time. 550PP road car racing soft.... only ABS1 ??? Very very nice.
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Keep in mind, tire wear is off.
 
If it was a 2, 3, 5HP difference it would be one thing, but I'd expect a 20HP difference between a 0 mile car and a fully broken in one or an oil change difference. With only ~500 miles on yours you are certainly not suffering from permanent HP decay so I think we can rule that out. Is your oil fresh? Are you certain that the other is completely stock?
 
I have about 7 CSL's

Fully tuned they range from 485 HP to 490 HP once limited at 550pp. With the lowest mileage one being on the lower side of things. I notice mile an hour differences between them throughout various parts of the track. That effects lap times, so.....

Why?
 
I'm on a tablet so quoting and updating sucks sorry for any confusion. When your running that fast your basically pushing the car to its absolute limit, upping usable limit is what I am interested in.
 
Don't know if it's true but I've heard that some PS3 consoles just give more HP to certain cars. Your friend might have one of those. Which means it'd be impossible for you to get that much.

Also, could be the car. I have noticed a lot of difference playing online against cars that are supposedly exactly the same. For example at 505pp one of my CSLs can only do 169 on the long straight at Nurb but the other one can do 172 at the same PP level.
 
kleefton
Don't know if it's true but I've heard that some PS3 consoles just give more HP to certain cars. Your friend might have one of those. Which means it'd be impossible for you to get that much.
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Probably should have had your NaCl distributor handy when you heard that.... :sick:
 
rosckolove
I have about 7 CSL's

Fully tuned they range from 485 HP to 490 HP once limited at 550pp. With the lowest mileage one being on the lower side of things. I notice mile an hour differences between them throughout various parts of the track. That effects lap times, so.....

Why?
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Wait a minute. Are you saying you need to lower your pp in order to race in that room? There are other ways to lower a cars pp without lowering hp. Adding weight and aero are popular choices.

Also, check that the upgrades you bought are actually installed on the car. Sometimes those little buggers get unticked by gremlins which lower your hp.
 
OK.

None of what you mentioned is the problem. And I don't add weight, ever.

Tuned to 550pp, some of my CSL's have more power then others, this miniscule power difference, as small as it is effects my mile per hour. And not just on the long straight of nurb but throughout the whole thing.

This started off as a gullible attempt to find fable creatures that have mythical HP numbers higher then most other CSL's as I thought it would get me my answer on how to get a tad bit more power out of my car, even though its being limited by PP restrictions. I have a 5-6 hp difference in my 550pp tuned CSL's, with mileage playing no reasonable factor in which ones are higher or lower.

I have heard myths of a certain break in procedure (not the quickest way, but the best way) that will leave your car with a substantially more HP then the standard 501-502.

If this procedure is infact a myth, how do you explain the difference In HP of the same car with the same relative mileage.

I witnessed a CSL hitting 200 MPH by itself on the long straight of nurb with no draft and no srf (higher corner exit speed)

My question is, how?

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The guy said it weighed with the standard weight reduction stage 3 and all that other jazz, 1153? I think it is (fully lightened) I have no proof that it wasn't higher weight/higher hp.
But I doubt it seeing as the guy was friendly and what would he gain from lying about that.
The guy himself was searching for low mileage CSL's so he himself could perform this "myth" of a break in procedure.
 
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I understand there is no proof of this break in thing, but show me what proves that it doesn't.
I'm just a guy playing a racing game, and making the most out of it going as fast as I can.

I'm sure you guys can see where I'm coming from :)
 
kleefton
Don't know if it's true but I've heard that some PS3 consoles just give more HP to certain cars. Your friend might have one of those. Which means it'd be impossible for you to get that much.

Also, could be the car. I have noticed a lot of difference playing online against cars that are supposedly exactly the same. For example at 505pp one of my CSLs can only do 169 on the long straight at Nurb but the other one can do 172 at the same PP level.
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Not the console, it's the system language. Go to the settings and check it.
rosckolove
OK.

None of what you mentioned is the problem. And I don't add weight, ever.

Tuned to 550pp, some of my CSL's have more power then others, this miniscule power difference, as small as it is effects my mile per hour. And not just on the long straight of nurb but throughout the whole thing.
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As soon as you use powerlimiter, ballast, different parts, etc its no wonder.

This started off as a gullible attempt to find fable creatures that have mythical HP numbers higher then most other CSL's as I thought it would get me my answer on how to get a tad bit more power out of my car, even though its being limited by PP restrictions. I have a 5-6 hp difference in my 550pp tuned CSL's, with mileage playing no reasonable factor in which ones are higher or lower.
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You use ballast? You use the powerlimiter? You use differnt tuning parts? Different downforce?
Both have a mileage of less than 6000miles but over 200 if restored or received via ticket? Both won't gain power through engine rebuild?

I bet I can find it out.

I have heard myths of a certain break in procedure (not the quickest way, but the best way) that will leave your car with a substantially more HP then the standard 501-502.

If this procedure is infact a myth, how do you explain the difference In HP of the same car with the same relative mileage.

I witnessed a CSL hitting 200 MPH by itself on the long straight of nurb with no draft and no srf (higher corner exit speed)

My question is, how?
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Doesn't matter how you do it, there's only one maximum. Believe me, I've been braking in hundreds of cars in the last 1.5 years. It's essential for drag racing to have max power.
 
Do a search of the entire GT5 section for "break-in" without the quotes. Be sure to change the drop down box to search for titles only. Read all you want. I don't think you will find a definite answer that proves your myth.

Post the miles and hp of your cars after double checking that all boxes for installed parts are ticked. Also check that you haven't lowered the hp in any way. Remember, a car must have at least 186 miles (with tire wear on if broke-in running online) for it to reach max hp. A car will also lose permanent hp once it reaches several thousand miles.

Also, things like ride height, toe, aero and transmission settings can affect your top speed.
 
When I get home I will post the stats on all of them.

I can assure you there is no variation on any of my cars except mileage, rims, paints, and dates they were acquired.

This is now more about explaining why HP values differ MORE, once the pp value is reached.

I never add weight, and ballast position is the same on all of them.
 
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praiano63
This is an Alien time. 550PP road car racing soft.... only ABS1 ??? Very very nice.
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Adrenaline
Keep in mind, tire wear is off.
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Yes my friend. Even like this it's an excelent time. I would like to know if CSLACR or mike_gt3 have any times with this car in this configuration. For me the BMW M3 CSL is not the faster on the ring. LFA and Honda HSC .... are 2 or 3 seconds faster.
Anyway..., i just hope i can drive again all this cars on my favourite track soon.


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