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You're right - I'd misread the columns in my source! It is Christmas after all.
Brexit - The UK leaves the EU
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You're right - I'd misread the columns in my source! It is Christmas after all.
UK's number of doctors per capita is one of lowest in Europe
Good thing Brexit is coming, we can finally beat the Polish!
Good thing Brexit is coming, we can finally beat the Polish!
Brexit will soon have cost the UK more than all of its payments to the EU over the last 47 years put together
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
I'm looking forward to getting that back next month...
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
I'm looking forward to getting that back next month...
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There is no point in facts and the fact we’ve wasted millions and millions to make ourselves poorer?
Sorry, to me reality is important. It’s never to late. Even after we’ve left I’ll still link news and facts to how idiotic this whole thing is. I’ll still talk to people and quiz them on why they voted to leave and how it’s benefited anyone... I’ll never give up on trying to keep and regain my freedoms that others are trying to take away from me based on lies and xenophobia.
Also, @Tired Tyres remind me, how many leave dates have we had and ignored? I’m curious... though maybe that dosn't matter either?
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In terms of gerrymandering?
...oh damn you got-me...
I guess non of this matters though, the NHS can be bankrupted, food-banks can be over-run, we'll have less say in our trade agreements and less power internationally... just what we where promised and what the people voted on!
EU confirms there will be border checks inside UK under Brexit deal, contradicting Boris Johnson’s false claim
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-border-check-boris-johnson-uk-eu-barnier-northern-ireland-goods-a9283686.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-border-check-boris-johnson-uk-eu-barnier-northern-ireland-goods-a9283686.html
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Barnier says “there will be checks on goods entering the island of Ireland” and Johnson says “there will be no checks on goods from NI to GB” (note those two comments do not contradict each other) and ‘that the only circumstance where there will need to be checks on goods from GB to NI [which is relevant to Barnier’s comment] is if the UK and EU fail to agree a zero-quota, zero-tariff trade deal’.
There is also the key words ‘additional’ and ‘extra’ to watch out for, since there are already checks between GB and NI, but without a trade deal between EU and UK those checks could well become onerous (which Johnson is trying to downplay/ignore). The idea that there never was or will be any checks on everything passing between NI and GB in either direction is false, but the key question is what any new checks will actually involve.
There is also the key words ‘additional’ and ‘extra’ to watch out for, since there are already checks between GB and NI, but without a trade deal between EU and UK those checks could well become onerous (which Johnson is trying to downplay/ignore). The idea that there never was or will be any checks on everything passing between NI and GB in either direction is false, but the key question is what any new checks will actually involve.
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Why would the UK get to leave the trade union but still enjoy a zero tariff? I can't see why they think that's attainable.
The point of checks at customs borders is to protect businesses inside the customs area. Always has been.
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I meant the point of him posting stuff like this. It isn't going to make the 31st not happen.
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If it is mutually beneficial.
But therein lies the rub. Every EU member state will have a good reason to seek zero tariffs on UK trade on specific items, but the EU as a whole may not benefit because of the perception that EU membership is not required in order to benefit from tariff-free trade.
While this means that a zero-tariff trade deal between the EU and the UK is unlikely (or at least there will be a very limited number of things that have zero tariffs), tariffs on trade with the UK will hurt different member states differently, and this could (and almost certainly will) lead to a different risk to the EU in the shape of internal disagreements and rancour, which in the end could prove just as destructive, if not more so, than agreeing a trade deal with the UK that sets most tariffs to zero and keeps all member states happy.
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We've been pummled with anti-EU headlines for decades (often lies), if you think you're not going years of headlines about how leaving is a bad idea, I think you'll probably be mistaken.
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The following list is shamless taken from here: https://community.giffgaff.com/d/22645246-20-years-of-fake-anti-eu-headlines
It's almost funny... except people fell for it.
EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers – The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry– The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun
Couple of points;
- This is a thread about Brexit, feel free to post positive brexit news for discussion.
- Where have I said that posting news and discussion points within this thread will somehow prevent something no one in this thread has the power to prevent?
- Why can't the discussion of something that is bad, be discussed regardless of if it was going to happen?
- Should talk and discussion about (for example) the governments passed motion to essentially catalogue everyone's fetish have been outlawed/banned?
But yes... you are correct, I can't remove days from the calendar... thanks for pointing that out in-front of everyone.
I can't find the link, but there was an article on the FT (I think), outlining that basically all the major EU nation leaders are now fed-up of Brexit and want it over and done with.
I don't think the EU will give us the zero tariffs as you suggest but I also don't think this will lead to destructive in-fighting. I don't think we have much of an option regarding trade with the EU, we simply can't swap to trading with other nations/unions on anything like the scale we do with the EU due to almost nothing else but geography... and the EU will play this to their benefit. If(when) the UK economy crashes post-brexit that'd benefit the EU pretty massively. They'd have a nice clear and visible example of how powerful the EU is and how much its member states benefit from it.
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My point was that zero tariffs on trade between EU and the UK is by far the best outcome economically for both sides, but the EU has to balance that with the political risk of maintaining tariff-free trade with an exiting member state. But IMHO, it is a low risk, high gain strategy for the EU. Ironically, Brexit is a high-risk, low gain strategy for the UK. The question is, why would the EU not agree to a zero-tariff trade deal if the benefits are high and the risk is (very) low? The opposite - a high-tariff deal or no trade deal at all - is a high risk, high loss strategy for the EU, so I reckon it is quite clear what the better option is. If it also benefits the UK too, then all the better - but the EU will decide on the basis on what works best for them, and that surely means a sensible trade deal.
It's a thread about Brexit. What content do you think should be posted in here?
Also the government needs to be held to account for promises it made to the electorate so these sorts of stories are important in the wider context. It's OK to raise concerns and discuss matters of government surely?
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That directly relate to Brexit, in a Brexit thread?
What Brexit vote would that be?
...unless you think I think I can time travel, and take people with me?
...Do you think I think that I think I can time travel and take people I've managed to taint with facts in order to sway the 2-3%(ish) of the population who voted in favour of it in order to cancel Brexit in this new reality I've created?
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That sounds like the only plausible reason you would have. Read your own posts. They are irrelevant. We are leaving. He has the majority to ensure it. It is over. There is no point anymore.
Although the campaign to ring Big Ben could be replaced by a fog horn... It seems more appropriate.
You've failed to explain why news stories about Brexit are irrelevant to Brexit, in a thread exclusivley about Brexit.
I don't think I can time travel
Ok?
Ok?
It's never over, even after it happens. Nothing is ever set FOREVER.
No point in being against something that will make me poorer, restrict my freedoms and potentially ruin my country? Why.
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It's not really.
The point is that the UK is now about to formally enter the 'transition period' (as per the Withdrawal Agreement) but this does leave the UK in the historically unique position of being subject to the full gamut of EU law while having no representation within the EU.
This is exactly why Johnson is intent on ending the transition period as quickly as possible, because it is an unusual and potentially precarious position for the UK to be in - it also is one reason why hard Brexiteers would have been happy with no transition period at all.
Of course, back on planet reality, no transition period would likely have come at a catastrophically high price, hence why even Johnson recognised the need for it, but that doesn't mean that it is entirely beneficial or indeed welcomed, particularly by the Eurosceptics who suspect that the EU may now take advantage of the situation.
Interestingly, this is exactly the situation that opponents of a 'Soft Brexit' (myself included) are warning about - a situation where the UK still obeys all EU law but has no control over what those laws are is potentially very damaging to the UK, hence why it is wise to avoid this outcome and, as is the case with the transition period, keep it to an absolute minimum.
And then, when we're finally free from this transition period... we'll be subject to all of the EU's whims and be forced into worse trade agreements
How brilliantly our country shines
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The UK's own government and the owners of the fishing quotas within it have done far more damage than the EU ever have to UK fishing.
With around 80% of the UK's allocated fishing quotas sold to non-UK companies (and the UK is the own EU nation who have allowed this to happen) the damage to the UK industry was done by its own, and Brexit of any flavour is not going to change that at all.
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/c...rth-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit
Its also absurdly ironic for the Brexit party to complain given that its own leader has chosen to attend 1 meeting of the 42 he could have attended on fisheries policy in the EU, despite him being a member of that committee!
