"Bullitt" Replica Tunes

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Hi folks, this is my 1st foray into the GTP forums so excuse me if this is posted somewhere else (i have searched but to no avail).

So here goes... I'm looking for as close as possible tunes or cars to race my friends in true 'Bullitt' style, the Shelby GT350 & Dodge Charger R/T are the closest to the film cars i think - i own both the stock cars above but would like a more authentic battle.

If anyone has any suggestions/links/info please feel free to let me know. Thanks
 
Are you asking for a competitive set up, as in just between the two of them? Or would you like a "true to life" type ride?

The GT350 is one of my favorite cars in game, so I've got the set up for it basically down to a science. I haven't spent much time on the Charger, but I'd be happy to get to work if you'd like.
 
I'd think the closest you'd get to having a Bullitt Mustang replica is the Mercury Cougar XR-7 '67 since it has the 390 V8 in it like the Bullitt Mustang did. The Shelby GT350R is a 289. This is why GT5 needs to be modified to allow engine swaps.
 
hogger129
I'd think the closest you'd get to having a Bullitt Mustang replica is the Mercury Cougar XR-7 '67 since it has the 390 V8 in it like the Bullitt Mustang did. The Shelby GT350R is a 289. This is why GT5 needs to be modified to allow engine swaps.
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What?

the Bullitt mustang had 320ish hp. As does the GT350. paint it green and bob's your uncle

i have no idea why you'd use the mercury
 
seanneedscar
What?

the Bullitt mustang had 320ish hp. As does the GT350. paint it green and bob's your uncle

i have no idea why you'd use the mercury
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Because the '67 Cougar XR-7 has the same engine as the Bullitt Mustang (a Ford 390 FE V8/320hp)...

The '67 Cougar is mechanically the same as a '67 Mustang with a 3" longer wheel base. It just looks different and it's a bit heavier, so with a little weight reduction in this game, I'd expect it to behave exactly like a 390 Mustang.

The '65 Shelby GT350R carries a small-block Ford 289 V8 with 306hp. It's lighter and less powerful/torquey than the 390 big block.

I'd expect the gearing is also the same on the '67 Cougar XR-7 in this game compared to a real '68 GT390 Mustang.

Having the same horsepower doesn't mean it will drive like a Bullitt Mustang. The Shelby looks the same, that's about it. The Cougar has the same engine and basically IS a 390 Mustang with a slightly longer wheel base and different outward appearance and more weight. So just weight reduce it and you got a car that behaves like a Bullitt Mustang.
 
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Hi guys, thanks for the interest in this -

@JLawrence - 'True to life' is my aim with these 2 cars, i would appreciate any help you can spare (Charger &/or Mustang if that's not too much to ask?) If it's ok i'll send you a FR.

@hogger129 - I like the '67 Cougar & everything you said is correct in terms of the engine, but it doesn't look much like the Mustang on the replays & i'd like as close as possible to the 'Bullitt' cars in looks & technical setup as i can.
Also, i think that engine (Ford 390FE V8) was originally designed for a truck so i know it's not the engine/hp alone that makes the 'stang a classic; does the Cougar use the same suspension as the Mustang? - i know they used the same 4-speed manual box (same/similar ratios).
 
@hogger129 - I like the '67 Cougar & everything you said is correct in terms of the engine, but it doesn't look much like the Mustang on the replays & i'd like as close as possible to the 'Bullitt' cars in looks & technical setup as i can.
Also, i think that engine (Ford 390FE V8) was originally designed for a truck so i know it's not the engine/hp alone that makes the 'stang a classic; does the Cougar use the same suspension as the Mustang? - i know they used the same 4-speed manual box (same/similar ratios).
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It was used in many cars and trucks at that time. It was the most common of the FE series of engines. I just found out that in the Mustang, the 390 actually puts out 335 hp. 320 is what it's rated in the Cougar. The engine was never offered in the Mustang until 1967 when they redesigned it. For the record, the body is a little different too between a '68 GT390 Mustang and a '65 Shelby GT350R.

As for the suspension, I don't know for sure, but I'd think it's exactly the same since the Cougar for that model year ('67) is the same as a '67 Mustang mechanically. As I said though, that '67 Cougar XR-7 with the 390 in GT5, has all the same guts as a '68 Mustang GT390.

This is the reason why I think GT5 should have allowed motor swaps like Forza does. I think we kind of got screwed over too in terms of muscle cars. I mean there's lots of Corvettes with 350s in em, not one with the 427 big block. The only old Mustangs that are in the game is the Shelby GT350R with a 289 or the Mach I (and it's not the '69). No GT500 with the 428 big block. I mean for a game that prides itself on racing, why wouldn't you put big block muscle cars into the game? There is a very small selection and that's about where it ends. No offense, but the 350 < 427 in the old Corvettes. I'd like to see a DLC with some of the cars from GT2 that I loved (such as the old big-block Corvettes, or the GT500KR)... Rather than having all kinds of different Skylines or other things. There's more cars than just what exists in Japan.

Maybe PD could keep up on their promise to release a DLC as often as they were going to. Maybe they could put a '68 GT390 Mustang as a DLC car.

But who knows. They won't listen to me. What do I know.
 
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JLawrence
Sounds good man. Do you know the engine specs for the Charger as well?
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As far as I can tell, the '68 Charger 440 from Bullitt and the '70 Charger 440 R/T used in GT5 are the same mechanically. The differences lie in the chassis styling. But same engine. The most powerful 440, which is what they called the "Six Pack" produced 390hp. I think that's what it's rated in the game too. The one used in Bullitt was a '68 440 rated at 375hp.

BTW, I wasn't trying to flame, just trying to bring the facts to the table. The Shelby GT350R isn't the same as the GT390 Mustang from Bullitt. Different engine, different handling characteristics. Which is why I stated that the '67 XR-7 Cougar with the 390 would be closer to a Bullitt Mustang's actual performance than the '65 Shelby GT350R.
 
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@hogger129 - agree totally about the lack of real 'muscle' in these classic rides, engine swaps sounds a cool idea. Personally i'd like the option to select the maximum amount of gears: such as limiting the Shelby Mustang to 4-speed with the customisable transmission but still be able to alter the ratios. Also why is it not possible to run with just enough fuel for the race?, seems silly to have that extra 'weight' spoiling the handling!

Is it cool to send both you (i'm assuming here) guys a FR?, you have both been very helpful to me on this. Thanks
 
ZuluWraith
@hogger129 - agree totally about the lack of real 'muscle' in these classic rides, engine swaps sounds a cool idea. Personally i'd like the option to select the maximum amount of gears: such as limiting the Shelby Mustang to 4-speed with the customisable transmission but still be able to alter the ratios. Also why is it not possible to run with just enough fuel for the race?, seems silly to have that extra 'weight' spoiling the handling!

Is it cool to send both you (i'm assuming here) guys a FR?, you have both been very helpful to me on this. Thanks
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Yeah I wonder why when you get the customizable transmission, it bumps you up to a 5-speed, instead of keeping the 4-speed and just being able to adjust the gears.

A lot of old muscle cars even only had 3-speeds when you selected the auto trans.

I don't have a problem with the small block V8s in the cars in GT5, but I mean come on. They're missing out on the big blocks, which is what makes a muscle car a muscle car.

They got a few, like the '70 Chevelle SS-454. Or the Shelby Cobra.
 
@hogger129 - do you happen to know the gear ratios for Dodge Charger?, i know the stock ratios on the Shelby Mustang are very close to the original spec. The Cobra is wild ride indeed dude, do you think we'll ever see a Super Snake in GT5 - That would be sweet as!

I did ask earlier but is it cool if i send you a FR?
 
ZuluWraith
@hogger129 - do you happen to know the gear ratios for Dodge Charger?, i know the stock ratios on the Shelby Mustang are very close to the original spec. The Cobra is wild ride indeed dude, do you think we'll ever see a Super Snake in GT5 - That would be sweet as!

I did ask earlier but is it cool if i send you a FR?
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You may FR if you wish. As for the stock gear ratios, not sure.
 
ZuluWraith
@hogger129 - do you happen to know the gear ratios for Dodge Charger?, i know the stock ratios on the Shelby Mustang are very close to the original spec. The Cobra is wild ride indeed dude, do you think we'll ever see a Super Snake in GT5 - That would be sweet as!

I did ask earlier but is it cool if i send you a FR?
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Not sure exactly which year's model you're after but if you go here

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/

And do a detailed search at the bottom left you'll find they've got the gear ratios for every model Charger ever.

It's a very helpful site for making replicas.

Hope it helps.
 
I made the 2008 version, and the Shbely version with accurate engine, suspension, and transmissions specs with identical performance to the real thing.
 
@Limey77 - as hogger129 states in the post after yours i'm looking for the 440 Magnum Charger gear ratios, thanks for the link sounds helpful indeed i'll check it out soon as.

@Slashfan - sounds very interesting, any chance of a trade on those particular rides? Let me know what you'd like in return.

Thanks again guys!

edit: must get faster at typing!
 
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ZuluWraith
@Limey77 - as hogger129 states in the post after yours i'm looking for the 440 Magnum Charger gear ratios, thanks for the link sounds helpful indeed i'll check it out soon as.

@Slashfan - sounds very interesting, any chance of a trade on those particular rides? Let me know what you'd like in return.

Thanks again guys!
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I won't trade but PM me and I'll tell you everything you need to make your own including rims and paint
 
ZuluWraith
Hi folks, this is my 1st foray into the GTP forums so excuse me if this is posted somewhere else (i have searched but to no avail).

So here goes... I'm looking for as close as possible tunes or cars to race my friends in true 'Bullitt' style, the Shelby GT350 & Dodge Charger R/T are the closest to the film cars i think - i own both the stock cars above but would like a more authentic battle.

If anyone has any suggestions/links/info please feel free to let me know. Thanks
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ich122 has just made this car.
check it out while it's hot. 👍
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7295826#post7295826
 
Try this one (click the picture/link)


It's tuned to run without ABS, but that doesn't mean it wont with WITH it.
 
Yeah man, send me a request. I'll do my best to get on it in the next day or so, and I'll go ahead and put up my already tuned (I wanna say its at 500pp GT350 up for sharing, as well as my 550pp Cobra just for kicks and giggles).
 
Ok so the 350 is done do you want me to make you a Charge tune based on that 350 tune so they are comparable?
 
@JLawrence - FR sent, thanks for all the help with this dude!

@shmogt - yes, if you don't mind i'd like a comparable tune for the Charger as well please. I've also sent you a FR!
 
Hmm the charger from the movie is basically stock with tiny suspension modification for the movie. They said it was still so much faster than the heavily modified mustangs. I think what I'm going to do instead is make a tune for both cars with amped up power and have them very comparable. That way the cars will be close and a lot more fun to actually drive. That cool with you or they must be exact movie specs?

Edit: ok I been trying them both out and can get very comparable times but the charger still just kills it. The 350 has the drift around corners and gives you that feel of car chase when the charger is so easy its like driving a normal car. I tried everything to make it more crazy but it's still so easy to drive. Only thing that would make it crazier is more power but than it will really blow the 350 away. As of now pretty much take a charger, paint it black, put no power or weight mods but everything else on it, than raise the final gear so the top speed hits around 160mph and your good. That makes it pretty much the same as the other guys 350 tune however less fun. Looks like this time around that battle was pure movie magic since real life that charger would of left the mustang miles behind.
 
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