Camaro reborn: 700-horsepower, $427,000

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LAS VEGAS (CNN/Money) - If you missed your opportunity to buy a brand-new Chevrolet Camaro before General Motors stopped making them in 2002, here's your chance.

You'd better have some serious cash, though.

The reincarnation of a muscle-car era team that specialized in making high-performance Chevrolets has brought the reincarnation of the Camaro itself. This time, they're making their own Camaros from scratch with bodies designed with the help of a 22-year-old California car artist.

The look of the new Baldwin-Motion 540 Camaro SuperCoupe calls to mind the the 1969 Camaro, but this is a bigger, broader two-seat monster. The SuperCoupe is powered by a 700-horsepower V-8 engine.

In a nod to the good old days, the company lists the engine's displacement as 540 cubic inches. That's about 8.9 liters for those of you too young to remember when engine displacement was measured in cubic inches.

Even the car's price is a nod to those old English-unit days: $427,000.

Camaros with General Motors' 427-cubic-inch engine were the basis for some of the most famous cars created by the original Baldwin-Motion Performance Group.

That company was formed when Motion Performance, a Brooklyn, NY, speed shop, moved their operations to the suburban town of Baldwin, NY. There, in 1966, they partnered with a local Chevy dealership to sell custom performance upgrades.

Their cars, mostly high-horsepower Corvettes, Camaros and Chevelles, became some of the most prized muscle cars of the era.

Joel Rosen and Martyn Schorr were largely responsible for creating the original Baldwin-Motion. Rosen was the mechanic, Schorr was responsible for public relations, advertising and marketing.

The pair started their new company, now based in Florida, last summer along with several business partners.

This time, the cars are being created without factory-built Camaros to base them on. The new cars' all-steel bodies will be built by Time Machines, a Florida company specializing in body work for classic muscle cars.

The success legendary performance tuner Carroll Shelby has had with a line of faithfully recreated Shelby muscle cars -- not to mention an upcoming Shelby version of the new Ford Mustang -- had something to do with inspiring this venture, said Lawrence Jaworske, Motion's chief executive officer.

"Why should Carroll get to have all the fun?" he said.

Designer Kris Horton worked with Rosen to pen the prototype car. Horton came to the attention of the Baldwin-Motion team because of a sketch he did for Popular Hot-Rodding magazine in the summer of 2003. That computer sketch, which was distributed widely on the Internet, illustrated what a Chevrolet Camaro might look like if General Motors were to produce the car again.

The Baldwin-Motion SuperCoupe's body, while resembling a 1969 Camaro in the front grill, rear and overall shape, actually shares no sheet-metal or dimensions with that car.

Each of the 12 SuperCoupes the company plans to sell will be hand-made according to the customer's desires, said Lawrence Jaworske, Motion's chief executive officer. That 700-horsepower engine isn't supercharged, for example. If you really want, it could be.

The company is proud of the fact that its supercars will be totally "streetable," said Joworske. In other words, the cars are designed to be safely and legally driven on public roads by non-professional drivers. Motion will not want to do anything to jeopardize the car's road-ready nature, said Jaworske.

"We want to be responsible about what we're doing," he said.

The company will tell buyers to allow a year for their cars to be completed.

The new Motion Camaro will also bring back "the guarantee" that went with the original cars.

Those cars were guaranteed to be able to run a quarter mile from a dead stop in 11.5 seconds at a top speed of 120 miles per hour.

The new guarantee has been tightened to 10 seconds, said Jaworske.

For those with a little less to spend, the company is also making 25 Motion Phase III Camaros which it will sell for about $189,000 each, said Jaworske. Those cars, Jaworske said, will more closely resemble original 1969 Camaros and will use some original body parts.

While he's not exactly sure who the "typical buyer" for a $400,000 to $500,000 700-horsepower Camaro might be, Schorr pointed to the current market in highly collectible muscle cars, including classic Baldwin Motion Camaros from the 1960s and '70s. While not common, extremely rare muscle cars in pristine condition can sell for prices well into six figures.

The prototype Motion Super-Coupe will be sold at the Barrett-Jackson collectible car auction in Scottsdale, Ariz. in January. That event, which is broadcast live on cable television, generally brings some of the highest prices paid for collectible muscle cars.

"If it doesn't bring big bucks at that auction it never will," said Schorr.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/funonwheels/11/09/motion_camaro/index.html
 
Nice, we still use cubic centimeters here though.

I'm guessing the performance won't be mind boggling for a 700Bhp car, though the 0-60 could be fun.
 
700Bhp isn't, especially not when you factor in reliability. Sure anyone can make 700Bhp from a 8 liter engine, but can you do it so it lasts more than a day's usage. Thats the problem, a lot of these high powered tuner cars can't be used that often without a lot of work being done to maintain the engine ect.
 
yea, that was at SEMA this year..... there was always a bunch of people crowded around it

I'll post some pics later today

updated- nevermind, my pictures suck of it......
 
Driftster
no..i'm pretty sure you can make a 700HP engine a daily driver..

look at pretty much every tuned viper on the roads..
Yah, and how many liters of displacement does the Viper have? :dopey:

Driftster
is this the same 8.0L car making X power from those articles a while ago?

I still think that's crap power for a 8.0L v8
But Vipers have 8 liter engines too, so what's your next excuse?
 
It doesn't look bad, but it does look somewhat worse than the original. I think the color of the interior also makes the interior uglier than it should be.
 
1 hp/ci is quite good for a naturally-aspirated, drivable, 2 valve pushrod motor. Not many Detroit V8 engines make that number.

1.3 hp/ci is a solid number for a performance street motor. It probably has a nice flat torque curve.
 
Holy hell that is completly excessive, but I still wouldn't mind having one. But those rims have got to go! They need to be more deep dished.
 
Slick6
Yah, and how many liters of displacement does the Viper have? :dopey:


But Vipers have 8 liter engines too, so what's your next excuse?

slick..you didn't really read anything on this thread did you..

Just stop..breathe, read then post..

myself
is this the same 8.0L car making X power from those articles a while ago?
I still think that's crap power for a 8.0L v8
Live4Speed
700Bhp isn't, especially not when you factor in reliability. Sure anyone can make 700Bhp from a 8 liter engine, but can you do it so it lasts more than a day's usage. Thats the problem, a lot of these high powered tuner cars can't be used that often without a lot of work being done to maintain the engine ect.
myself again
no..i'm pretty sure you can make a 700HP engine a daily driver..
look at pretty much every tuned viper on the roads..


But you must have skipped those posts right?

Oh and by the way, a viper doesn't cost 427,000 dollars and make 700HP out of a 8.0L motor..

it costs...90~ and makes 500 out of a 8.0L motor and makes 700-100 for still 1/2 the price and just as reliably if not more so. So slick....Shhhhh
 
Yes, but you see, the Viper is a fully productionized(?) car with thousands made each year. The amount it goes for is much less because they have way more sales to make their profits. This car is not in production and has to be hand-made, with low #'s made, and a small number of cars to make up the development and production costs. And I'm sure the motor will last a long time.
 
It's being sold as a future classic as well which also will mean it hold a high value initially, how that carries on depends on if all goes to plan or not.
 
Mmmmm Camaro....

It looks great, it'll go pretty damn awesome and it'll sound wicked. Why does someone always have to come up and say "Well, from 8.0L that's crap power"?

Who honestly cares? 700hp is a lot of grunt, no matter who you speak to and which ever method is used to get that power it is still an impresssive number.
This car has obviously been built to be driven and driven hard for that guaranteed 10 second timeslip and so if the motor is unreliable they would be facing questions. I imagine a significant amount of the $427,000 has gone towards making one tough mutha of a motor.

Stop complaining.
 
Sweet! Crazy induction setup! I like.👍

Give it a set of 15" or 16" TTOs and it'll be perfect.
 
well considering this is just an aftermarket (tuner) version of the GM re-release I say it's still not worth 427,000...That will get you a 1 of a kind "kit car" which is in essense the same thing...
but...Who's complaining..

I just said 700HP out of a 400,000 dollar 8.0l motor is kinda lame
 
Its much closer to 9.0Litres than 8 anyway. Its nice for a one off show car but I wouldnt want to buy it. (those rims would have to go also)
 
Driftster - The engine isn't what made the car so expensive. That said, 700hp from 8.9L is a little bit better than the new Vette Z06, and about on par with a 350Z...and all three are better than a stock Viper.
 
Wolfe2x7
Driftster - The engine isn't what made the car so expensive. That said, 700hp from 8.9L is a little bit better than the new Vette Z06, and about on par with a 350Z...and all three are better than a stock Viper.

This camaro = 78.6hp/litre

'05 Viper SRT10 = 60.2hp/litre

'05 C6 Z06 = 71.4hp/litre

'06 350Z = 85.7hp/litre

'06 S2000 = 107.7hp/litre (thought I would add it :sly: )


Not bad, but 8.9 litres is a ridiculously large engine. :scared:
 
So is 8.3, but economy is not the point of these cars.
 
No but a bigger engine is generally less economic, and saying things like 8.9 liter engines is too big ect is missing the point of a car like this.
 
live4speed
No but a bigger engine is generally less economic, and saying things like 8.9 liter engines is too big ect is missing the point of a car like this.

Not sure if your refering to me but I never said a 8.9litre engine is too big.

I said its a ridiculously large engine, Im not dissaproving the engine at all, after rereading what I said I realise I may have come across as I meant that the engine is too big.
 
Wolfe2x7
Driftster - The engine isn't what made the car so expensive. That said, 700hp from 8.9L is a little bit better than the new Vette Z06, and about on par with a 350Z...and all three are better than a stock Viper.

New Z06 - ~500HP - 70,000
350z - ~300HP - ~30,000
Viper - ~505HP - 90,000
Camaro - ~700HP - 427,000.....

Make sense to anyone?
 
Not trying to make this an excuse, but I don't think anyone that can afford to buy a 427 grand car gives a **** about how much horsepower they get by the dollar. Actually no one should base their car buying decision on hp/$.
 
Well I would...And I know alot of people that do...

Like most people that will buy a Z06 instead of a Ford GT.....

And if I were to spend 500,000k on a car and not you know...a yacht/house/housing community

I'd want to get everything out of said car i could for 500,000k
 
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