Camaro vs Challenger vs Mustang (2009 Edition)

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First and foremost, welcome to a new thread that I hope can hold a conversation for a bit. These models are probably three of the hottest things Detroit has going on right now, and while we are about six or more months away until the Challenger even shows up (nearly a year for the Camaro), and while the Mustang will likely be the same, its due for an update as well.

Nevertheless, its a topic worth exploring, so why not?

So, if you were to have an opportunity to pick one by spending your own money, which would it be and why?​

I'm not expecting full details, but I would like everyone to be able to support their position to the best of their ability. If you're unsure of the choices, float over to the Auto News section and search for the cars, the topics have been covered quite consistently there.

Have fun.

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Who Do You Choose?

Chevrolet Camaro
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Dodge Challenger
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Ford Mustang

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I'd take the 'Stang. Why?

Well, it looks better than the Camaro by a LONG shot, IMO, the powerplant is proven, there's a good bit of room underhood for turbos, it's already supported by the aftermarket, and while the Challenger looks good, I don't think that it would stay that good looking after you look at it day after day.
 
I'd take the Challenger, because it looks the most faithful to the original car, and it looks drop-dead gorgeous! :drool:
 
I'd take the 'Stang. Why?

Well, it looks better than the Camaro by a LONG shot, IMO, the powerplant is proven, there's a good bit of room underhood for turbos, it's already supported by the aftermarket, and while the Challenger looks good, I don't think that it would stay that good looking after you look at it day after day.

Same here 👍

For me:
1. Stang
2. Challenger
3. Camaro
 
I have to say that the obvious choice for me is the Camaro. But, I'll do this as balanced as possible.

Simply put, the Camaro is everything it should be. A good-looking coupe based on a solid platform using plenty of "hand-me-downs" from the Corvette... Just as it has always been. The Camaro packs plenty of punch using the well-proven Small-Block design, and should offer a great amount of performance for a great price. Plus, my Dad is getting one, which is awesome (blue Z/28, assuming they do a Z/28)

The bigger problem will likely be that the weight may in fact be too high (Zeta is not a lightweight chassis), and furthermore, the Camaro may in fact debut new technology instead of borrowing from the Corvette per-usual. Not to say that it is infact a bad thing, but its certainly different. The new chassis may prove a bit controversial as well, particularly with pricing, however, that may or may not be the case, given how widely used the Zeta chassis will be by this point.

Compared to the other two, the Camaro just seems to have it. Sure, the Mustang is "cheap," but it just doesn't have the brute-strength I'd want. And while the Camaro is awesomely good with its classic design, the Challenger is too, but I just don't trust Chrysler as much as I used to.

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I'm still very interested with this whole thread... I'm looking forward to what others will say....
 
I've got to vote challenger.

Here's reason uno:

That way, I don't have to associate my self with the inbred Mustang and Camaro fans and their incessant, pissant "power war".

Reason dos: I want to see Chrysler succeed. Regardless of how ugly the Caliber is or how cheap the interior might look/might have looked. They've got one thing going for them, though, they don't have as many retirees to deal with as GM or Ford.
 
you said my own money.

that means none of the above. i dont buy new cars. period. depreciation. rather take that $40000 (assuming for a V8 6 speed) invest $20000 in the stock market and buy a used mercedes 500E (1992-1995) same effect, but im richer in the end.

as for those 3, i prefer the dodge, then camaro, then mustang.
why you say?
i distrust just about all vehicles ford. the camaro is ugly. the dodge is beautiful.

i reckon performance will be about the same as they are all circa 4000lb vehicles with a big V8 RWD, anything from 300- 350hp. guess what, so is that old 500E benz.
 
Be sure to save four grand for the A/C Evaporator. ;)

Drat! How could I have forgotten the 500E?

neanderthal, for that money, one could get a Hammer...

Offtopic, but Am I the only one who cried in agony when the 500E was blown up in the Bourne Ultimatum?
 
The only major bonus I can give out for the Mustang is the classic looks and the cheap price. Its as basic as basic can get, but, I can't stand the DOHC setup on most occasions, and furthermore, they still don't offer it in the right color (Highland Green). Granted, the Bullitt Edition is coming down the pipe (reportedly with 320 BHP), but that still isn't enough to keep my interest from say, a $30K Camaro Z/28.
 
The V8's wont cost much more than 30K if they have 300-350 horses, considering that a Mustang GT Deluxe starts at 27K, the Challenger is the one exeption, that'll be up around 35-40 for the SRT8 model, but the R/T shouldn't cost more than a comparable Mustang. :)

These cars wont exactly lose their value all that fast, my guess is that they'll be going on ebay for 60K+ for a while, no-one has any idea what the Camaro is going to look like exactly, so I'm not basing my opinion on the concept, and there's no-way in high hell that a 500E is going to perform anything like these, considering that the gearing, suspension are totally different to that of a early 90's luxury sedan.


Also, why do you dis-trust FoMoCo?
 
Because the Blue Oval circles the problem.

:sly:

Wait.. my avatar is a Ford product, isn't it..
 
I'll say the Camaro (I don't really like the Camaro for the record) because out of the three it's probably going to be the best. The Mustang has to be updated if it wants to compete. I have no doubt Ford will make a good product for the next generation Mustang, and while I don't think the current generation is bad, I do think it needs to get with the times.

I'm convinced that every Chrysler product made in the 21st century is complete rubbish so I'll wager the Challenger won't be any different. I really do hope it fails miserably for the company.
 
Challenger SRT8. 400+ HP Hemi. Thats a good enough reason. Plus, Ford will break down and the Camaro just looks a little too comic book for me.
 
I'll take a Camaro so I can make it into Bumblebee. I'll never ever buy a Ford (Unless it's Australian); the Rustang is a decepticon, after all. I'll also never ever buy a Dodge/Chrysler.

It's all about them heavy chevys.
 
Camaro, Stang, Challenger.

I think the Camaro looks the best, and GM seems to be making the best products of late, and is actually making attempts to save themselves.

Ford is thinking about turning around and Chrysler seems to be running the other direction. So that's how I see their brand reputations.
 
I'll take a Camaro so I can make it into Bumblebee.





Bumblebee FTW!

I have to say the Camaro is shockingly awesome in person. I took that at this year's Berger Super Chevy Show, the same one used in the movie. When I found out my Dad had his name on the list, I loaded my pants. Too bad his isn't yellow and black stripes... But, blue with white stripes will be fine...
 
Be sure to save four grand for the A/C Evaporator. ;)
Drat! How could I have forgotten the 500E?

neanderthal, for that money, one could get a Hammer...

Offtopic, but Am I the only one who cried in agony when the 500E was blown up in the Bourne Ultimatum?
word on that evaporator. do it myself if i had to.

try finding a genuine hammer for $20000. itll probably be trashed.

im not sure the car trashed in the movie was a 500. fenders didnt seem engorged as they should have been

YSSMAN.

try 322hp in that package 15 years ago. with the technology of back then.

all you need to do is remap the fuel and spark tables, use the slightly lumpier cams from the E60 AMG (very limited edition) and youve got a sleeper thatll not only keep up with those cars but outlive them even being already older than they are.
 
Camaro, because I'm a Chevy nut, but more importantly, it looks like a new car, it's bold, well proportioned and it's going to have monstrous, tough powerplants.

Challenger (but only just second to the 'maro) because it's just gorgeous, a clean execution of a beautiful 40-year-old design.

Of course, I'd have to drive both first. And I'm considering importing each when the start shipping and keeping the one I prefer.

Mustang. Well, it serves its purpose. But I'm a proper performance geek and I like to push my cars. With a live axle and all the grace (aesthetic and balletic) of a moose, both newcomers are going to trounce it dynamically. I don't understand how anyone could have taken such a promising concept and totally destroyed it. It's still going to sell, because it has the cost edge, but I don't think it's going to win any of the three-way tests that are going to spring up unless it gets a facelift and the dumped IRS back.
 
The shoulder lines of the Camaro very nearly steal my affections from the Challenger.

Nearly.

The Mustang isn't even in the equation for me.
 
This is a real tough choice between the new Camaro and the next-gen Mustang (2009 is the first year of the new one isn't it?). If the new Mustang gets the Ford Hurricane 6.2L V8 I'll take the Mustang. However, if the Mustang maintains the SOHC 4.6L I'll take the Camaro.

Blah blah blah, forget everything I just said...I just saw the Camaro in orange w/stripes. SOLD. Camaro.
 
-> Since the other two hasn't come out yet, my final judgement would be driving them. And by far, the 'Stang GT was a dissapoinment in my book. I'd pick other, and that other would be the Pontiac GTO 6.0 (aka. Holden Monaro/Vauxhall VXR)

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-> Plus, none of us really know what would the Challlenger and the Camaro would really look like. I can't just base it on concept car looks alone, that would be boring on my opinion. :indiff:

1. GTO 6.0
2. Mustang GT
- Challenger SRT-8
- Camaro SS

~> I think this thread opened up a wee bit too early.

:)
 
-> Since the other two hasn't come out yet, my final judgement would be driving them. And by far, the 'Stang GT was a dissapoinment in my book. I'd pick other, and that other would be the Pontiac GTO 6.0 (aka. Holden Monaro/Vauxhall VXR)

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I really don't find it disagreeable at all as the GTO is a stellar product. Funny thing is that you can still pick up brand-new ones at some dealers, although they're becoming increasingly difficult to find. I can't wait for the new Monaro/GTO, but thats coming after the Camaro...
 
Camaro. I got to see the concept in person at the Houston Auto Show earlier this year, and it is amazing in the flesh. Challenger is a close second.
 
The Mustang looks sooo outdated compared to the other two. Is that DEFINATLY what the Challenger and Camaro will look like or will the design change a bit before production?

I vote Camaro.
 
-> I'd still think that the Camaro is overly overrated. Come on guys, the car is not yet on the market still. I've seen both of these concept at the L.A. auto show, and they're dandy enough to be impressed by anyone, but not enough to caught my because these are not production cars as of yet. :indiff:

-> Are we picking these cars base on their looks or its overall potential? If its the latter we can't really determine anything yet. :indiff:
 
Is that DEFINATLY what the Challenger and Camaro will look like or will the design change a bit before production?

Its hard to say with absolute certainty, but they're reportedly pretty darn close with the production models. The Challenger prototypes that have been seen around Detroit pretty much could have been swapped right off the turntable, but obviously, it does without some of the "ooh ahh" pieces... LED headlights, gigantic wheels, etc.

Its pretty much the same case for the Camaro AFAIK, as most folks know that it will be close, but not exactly the same. There has yet to be a rolling Camaro-bodied prototype, at least one that was instantly recognizable as one. Most estimates put the panels being a pretty close match, the roof maybe being a hair higher overall, and again the obvious wheel size shrinkage.

TVB
-> I'd still think that the Camaro is overly overrated. Come on guys, the car is not yet on the market still. I've seen both of these concept at the L.A. auto show, and they're dandy enough to be impressed by anyone, but not enough to caught my because these are not production cars as of yet.

-> Are we picking these cars base on their looks or its overall potential? If its the latter we can't really determine anything yet.

Its a combination of both as far as I'm concerned, and I think based on the moderately well-informed press on the progress of these vehicles (and the obvious current production model, to be updated of course) we could make a moderately well-informed decision.

My assumption is that with the Challenger based on the LX chassis and really only so-so advance on the goodness scale, there is only so far that it can be pushed. It not going to Europe (officially) doesn't help at all either, not to mention the fact that it will be an extremely limited edition model here in the US.

With the Mustang the biggest problem is that Ford doesn't even know what they want to do with it. Going under the assumption that they don't use the Orion chassis right away and only slightly update the D2C currently in use, again, there is only so far it can go. They're supposed to add new engines and transmissions as well, but Ford being Ford, they haven't officially made up their mind.

...For the sake of argument, I'd infer that Ford will move the Mustang to the Orion chassis, make use of the new "Hurricane" V8 platform, and go from there. Furthermore, I'd suspect that style wise, it will look much like the special one that showed up last year, you know, this one:

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As for the Camaro, I think the reason why it is winning really is quite simple; GM is doing what they do best. They're using off-the-shelf parts to create a car that looks great, drives great, and best of all is cheap to build and cheaper for the consumer. The VE/Zeta chassis has already been proven in the Commodore/G8/Lumina/VXR8 and Ute, and the new version should work just as well.

My estimation is that the proven pieces of the Camaro (be it the chassis, engine, transmission, etc) all comes down to be enough to make it a clear winner.
 
YSS-> It's just only a pre-empted calculation as we speak, maybe. But still, those asumptions are still speculations in my book. It won't be final until these cars are for sale and/or production prototypes are being tested by well-regarded car magazines. ;)

-> And that doesn't count that new-gen Camaro from the movie Transformers that was test driven by Edmund's Inside Line, that car is a skin-only, modified GTO/Monaro powered mule, in which it does look ok.

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:)
 
The Camaro photos I've got were of that prototype there, completely functional, the one actually used in the movie. It was awesome, and I was so sad that I didn't get to see it move. All of the interior pieces matched the show (concept) car, which was awesome, but the wheels were fake, which was kinda gay.

Speculation or not, I think we've got a pretty rough idea of what will happen. For me, thats pretty much good enough.
 
Camaro. The Zeta may be heavy. But the LX platform is much heavier. And the Mustang? Please. I've grown to like it more than before, but its still a one trick pony (omigod pun).
 
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