Can PD PLEASE sort the shortcut penalties out!

[Nismo GTi]

I`ve just been in a wet Spa room with penalties on, & got 3 `shortcut` penalties for going wide at La source, the left hander after the downhill loop & the double apex left hander!

How the hell can you be cutting the corner by understeering & going wide???

PD, PLEASE sort this VERY annoying bug/glitch/whatever the hell it is out!

Anyone else getting peed off with this stupid penalty that only seems to happen at Spa??

 

[Blitz24]

I`ve just been in a wet Spa room with penalties on, & got 3 `shortcut` penalties for going wide at La source, the left hander after the downhill loop & the double apex left hander!

How the hell can you be cutting the corner by understeering & going wide???

PD, PLEASE sort this VERY annoying bug/glitch/whatever the hell it is out!

Anyone else getting peed off with this stupid penalty that only seems to happen at Spa??

Its not cutting the corner but you are technically going off-track. Eau Rouge you are definitely cutting the corner though if you go wide.

 

[tris_73]

Yes it's about going off track, but I think it's also the fact that by running wide you can hold a faster speed into the following straights and corners.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Penalties are pretty brutal at Spa, but I'd rather have that then 'cutters' going off track for a speed advantage through corners and getting away with it.

 

[maSonn09]

Don't cut.

If you are understeering outside track limits then I suggest you don't go as fast through the corner, either lift off or play with the throttle till it grips.

Also, if you do want to cut a little bit, try find the maximum you can cut before you get a penalty and remember that line. Obviously different for every car but it's a rough guideline.

 

[Blitz24]

All I know is that its a 10 second penalty for cutting at Eau Rouge and I believe its a 45 second penalty for cutting at Les Combes. If you can't make the corner fast then go slower.

 

[Nismo GTi]

Here we go, with the cocky/smarmy `stay on the track then`, `don`t cut corners then`, `drive slower then` remarks!
Going round a corner at 40mph & still sliding wide, whilst EVERYONE ELSE is going round it at a minimum 70mph & staying on their line WITH 90% SURFACE WATER, is a little bit annoying & comments like the ones above do not help in any way, shape or form!
It was a shuffle race with 8 people, so how come EVERYONE got round those corners without going wide but me & way faster than I could manage in an audi rs6?????
I have driven round Spa IRL, so I know it quite well, but online I cant take corners anywhere near as fast as IRL!
I`m obviously missing something, what is it?
Maybe I just totally suck & should give up with online altogether.

 

[JaySin85]

Sounds like you may be entering the corner improperly. Which iirc, is easy in the stock R8 and causes the understeer. My best guess is your are going in too hot. Slower would be faster in this case.

Sounds like the penalty should stay though. Otherwise you'd be able to take it at too much speed and just keep goin even if you do go off. Especially if the off track isn't set to real. Reminds me of a turn in I think Lguna seca. About a third gear left and if you don't hit it right you go wide off the track but can keep flyin up the hill alongside the track.

 

[yusername]

I've never had a problem with the penalties at Spa.

It's the LACK of shortcut penalties at Monza and Deep Forest that they ought to fix!!!

 

[Schwartz]

I use a wide line on Spa and that seems to help.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Dont cut simples.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Here we go, with the cocky/smarmy `stay on the track then`, `don`t cut corners then`, `drive slower then` remarks!
Going round a corner at 40mph & still sliding wide, whilst EVERYONE ELSE is going round it at a minimum 70mph & staying on their line WITH 90% SURFACE WATER, is a little bit annoying & comments like the ones above do not help in any way, shape or form!
It was a shuffle race with 8 people, so how come EVERYONE got round those corners without going wide but me & way faster than I could manage in an audi rs6?????

So 7/8 people can get around the corner just fine? But you didn't, so penalties are unfair? Just wanted to check my understanding.

Sounds like you need to refine your driving technique and/ or find a room without penalties.

 

[berty1979]

It does sound like you are driving around the corner wrong mate, the penalty should stay.
Try a different line through or accelerate a little later or something.

 

[maSonn09]

If your burdened with a "fwd" try not to mash the stick from left to right. This causes insane understeer, especially in the rain. Also your line around the corner is very important, get it wrong and you end up doing what you do. Get it right, and you up doing what the other 7 guys did.

 

[Vegard]

The RS6 has a 5.2 V10 engine waaay up front and Quattro 4WD.
This corner is slightly downhill so you'll be looking at 65 - 70 % front weight distibution. This, combined with the wet conditions, and the Audi being very pushy to begin with is the reason you can't hold your line.
Brake early and use all track to the right before cutting as late a possible in to the apex and gently open the taps.

 

[kenkwilinski]

Or you could learn the track real well and never get a penalty! Or race with good drivers who don't cheat and are honest and abide to the GTP rules, thus letting you take penalties off. So the pack doesn't have to deal with the unwanted side effects from penalties. Like for example, a penalty when you skid offf track and try to get back on, etc. All kicks in the balls when already down. Plus watch real racing, no one cheats and if there's a cut through a chicane say, its usually an accident or a case of racing to hard into the turn and 98% of the time, no penalty or time is adjusted. Good example of that, in F1 at Monza a few months back , I must have watched a handful of drivers overshoot the chicane and they were never penalized. My rule, don't race with fellows you don't know. Meet some friends here and race clean!

 

[cbrown19d]

Shuffle races can be tough and sometimes you get a car that is less competative on that particular track. Knowing the track in real life will help some, but unless you have driven that car with those mods on it around the course it is going to limit how helpful that experience is. Sometimes you gotta be the lap traffic and suck it up. Next time you could get the amazing car

 

[sailworksman]

I`ve just been in a wet Spa room with penalties on, & got 3 `shortcut` penalties for going wide at La source, the left hander after the downhill loop & the double apex left hander!

How the hell can you be cutting the corner by understeering & going wide???

PD, PLEASE sort this VERY annoying bug/glitch/whatever the hell it is out!

Anyone else getting peed off with this stupid penalty that only seems to happen at Spa??

I did 20 laps on Spa with my homies, using the Dodge TC, and only got 1 penalty as I spun out before the turn and went off the track. Penalties teach racers throttle and braking control, and lower the recklessness (not saying you are) of some. I don't mind them at all.

I have found that if you race with the penalties in mind, know where they are and know when to pit (on endurance races), you should win. There will always be someone else who makes a mistake.

 

[GTPEarthbound]

Here we go, with the cocky/smarmy `stay on the track then`, `don`t cut corners then`, `drive slower then` remarks!
Going round a corner at 40mph & still sliding wide, whilst EVERYONE ELSE is going round it at a minimum 70mph & staying on their line WITH 90% SURFACE WATER, is a little bit annoying & comments like the ones above do not help in any way, shape or form!
It was a shuffle race with 8 people, so how come EVERYONE got round those corners without going wide but me & way faster than I could manage in an audi rs6?????
I have driven round Spa IRL, so I know it quite well, but online I cant take corners anywhere near as fast as IRL!
I`m obviously missing something, what is it?
Maybe I just totally suck & should give up with online altogether.

👍 Here's your best reply so far PD. Read & fix....

If i wasn't so busy yesterday i would have beat the OP to making this same thread. The problem with the penalty is NOT that it is there, it where exactly you get it. 👎 PD

EXAMPLE(happened to me a few times & ruins a race before it begins): You are running 4 wide, 1st lap, everyone is jocking for position through La Source. You make a great 1st turn & end up on the outside(Left side of the road) of the lead pack heading into Eau Rouge you jut to the left at the bottom of the hilll & head up it on the perfect line outside through the right turn at the bottom. Then you get to the top @around 120mph ready to take the little left & head down the straight in 1st or 2nd place, two tires on the kurbstone(PERFECT LINE), two inside the white line(saving room for other racers), THEN!... a nudge from the outside, ever so slightly(NOT EVEN ON PURPOSE), puts all 4 tires on the kurbstone, albeit just barely, & its not even your fault(! WOW I'M MAD NOW!! !). You get a 5 second cut penalty at the most crucial part of the track & are battling for 2nd to LAST, instead of 2nd.!!!!!!!

Please someone with some sense or someone from polyphony explain how on gods green Earth is that justifiable & you need to be ushered to the BACK OF THE PACK. Is the kurbstone not like a whole car-width wide there(or more) & with extra pavement on the outside(MEANING & MEANT TO BE USED FOR THIS EXACT SCENERIO) WORST PART IS THAT IF YOU CUT TO THE INSIDE THROUGH THE GRASS UP THE HILL, YOU GET NO(!!!!!) PENALTY.

Please trolls don't try & justify it & just admit IT IS WRONG & PD NeeDs to fix it, like the did on the La Sarthe penalties(ALTHOUGH I Have an issue with them TOO, 12 penalties last night on a 15 lap race, where i never went over or past a kurbstone, JUST ON TO THEM.. its what they ARE THERE FOR! TO BE USED FOR ADDED TURNING ABILITY.) Nothing was wrong with Sarthe the way penalties were before spec 2.0, NOW there is.(PERIOD) You're ruining tooooo many good races @ these two epic circuits. FIX PD, FIX.

The worst thing is penalties NEED to be on at both Sarthe & Spa or else people fly through the chicanes. PD just make them JUSTIFIABLE, NOT TOTAL & COMPLETE B.S.! 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎

 

[sailworksman]

If you race with reputable people, you can turn penalties off I guess.

You have a point; yes they are not totally in sync with what happens on the track. What about getting nailed from behind and YOU get the collision penalty, and buddy gets to go on his merry way? Would be a nice fix.

 

[Nismo GTi]

What about getting nailed from behind and YOU get the collision penalty, and buddy gets to go on his merry way? Would be a nice fix.

THIS is what pees me off most about la source.

In the race I was describing, I started 5th, dropped to 6th, so shot to the inside to pass into La Source, got upto 3 as I turned, then BANG! someone with the same idea as me totally screwed their braking, slammed into the back of me, causing me to spin out the leader & understeer straight across La Source & into the wall, all fine, no probs there, a `racing incident` that`s to be expected at turn 1.

The `problem` is when you recover after you get yourself out of the wall & accelerate anywhere in the `run off area` to get back onto the track, as soon as you get near the kerb/white line to come back onto the track, the penalty kicks in & you end up last & then try too hard to catch up with the pack again, causing you to go wide at the other corners & get more penalties.

All they need to do is remove the penalty at La Source, as look at any F1 race from the last 40-odd years, how many cars go across that outside curb & use the run off area on the 1st lap?

It`s why it`s tarmac & not a gravel trap, as it`s meant to be used as an `escape route`, so why the 🤬 is it classed as a penalty in GT5?

iirc, in F1 2010 & 2011, when full penalties are on, this doesn`t happen because it`s NOT cheating!

Rant over!

 

[Morgoth_666]

THIS is what pees me off most about la source.

In the race I was describing, I started 5th, dropped to 6th, so shot to the inside to pass into La Source, got upto 3 as I turned, then BANG! someone with the same idea as me totally screwed their braking, slammed into the back of me, causing me to spin out the leader & understeer straight across La Source & into the wall, all fine, no probs there, a `racing incident` that`s to be expected at turn 1.

The `problem` is when you recover after you get yourself out of the wall & accelerate down the `run off area`, as soon as you get near the kerb/white line to come back onto the track, the penalty kicks in & you end up last & then try too hard to catch up with the pack again, causing you to go wide at the other corners & get more penalties.

All they need to do is remove the penalty at La Source, as look at any F1 race from the last 40-odd years, how many cars go across that outside curb & use the run off area on the 1st lap?

It`s why it`s tarmac & not a gravel trap, as it`s meant to be used as an `escape route`, so why the 🤬 is it classed as a penalty in GT5?

iirc, in F1 2010 & 2011, when full penalties are on, this doesn`t happen because it`s NOT cheating!

Rant over!

In the last few years, quite a few. In the last 40 years, VERY few. Up until a couple of years ago there was a barrier on the outside of that curb. There still should be.

But you are correct, that should never be a penalty. Games need to come up with a mechanism for telling whether you are actually gaining time by going wide(or cutting, for that matter). Something like a check for your ET through a couple of minisectors a few hundred feet before and after the corner should do the trick, though it might need to be biased by some sort of 'expected pace' of your car. Not sure if that's the best way, but more details need to be taken into account for sure.

Anything like that will of course consume resources as well. It's impossible to know how much problem that or something similar would cause without having insider knowledge. No automatic system will ever be perfect, but the current manner of doing things needs to be revamped and expanded. Too many penalties for putting one wheel one inch wide in a straight or outside of a curve. Or especially for something on the order of spinning to a stop off track and then rejoining after losing 2-5 seconds. Also too many places where you can get away with murder.

Codemasters is plenty guilty of the same with their system(I actually got instantly completely disqualified from one race in F1 2010 for spinning to a complete stop on the "cut point" of a hairpin at Bahrain, no prior offenses), though it seems a little more sensible overall than PD's. Maybe that's just because they've been doing it for much longer. There were some penalties in previous GT games but I don't think they've ever tried to do a serious attempt at a comprehensive system until now with the addition of online. And there's always going to be the possibility to cheat the penalty system somehow. There is in real life as well.

Collision penalties are of course a whole other box of TNT to try to correct.

 

[Tommy_861]

I have to agree with the OP here.

It would be nice if the game could determine if what you are doing is gaining you an advantage or if you simply just lost control of your car (or were hit or whatever). I can't say how many times I've had a race ruined (because thanks to drafting once a pack is gone, they are GONE) due to a small mistake that put me wide or in the grass that would have cost me 1 or 2 positions, but then I get kicked in the balls with the penalty that drops me to DFL.

 

[noisiaturismo]

How is going wide cutting corners?

 

[Monosukoi]

There are one or two dumb penalties at Spa, definitely.

Like the left hand corner before Pouhon - if you go wide there, you end up in grass or gravel or something, you lose 2-3 seconds just by making that mistake, AND then you get a 5s penalty.. that one has never made any sense.

 

[SlyckTires]

Sometimes you can get penalties for going into a gravel trap - surely the gravel is penalty enough.

Mind you, I've had collision penalties (off topic, I know) at Spa when another car has side swiped me, and then watching the offender drive off into the distance.

Mind you, I think a lot of my issues are caused by the fact that I don't play online a lot and so am not really used to it.

Answer = more practice!

As for shuffle races, fun though they are, they are not equal, even if all the drivers were equally as good. I got given a Yellow Bird for a race at Daytona and it oversteered me off the track on the banking!

 

[DGXR]

Dont cut simples.

Don't cut.

This.

What about getting nailed from behind and YOU get the collision penalty, and buddy gets to go on his merry way? Would be a nice fix.

Off-topic, but yes that would be nice. Listen PD, it really matters who hit who. I understand the person up front can brake-check to cause the collision but ultimately it is the responsibility of the person behind to avoid contact (similar to the rule in alpine skiing).