Can you feel understeer with your wheel?

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I own a Fanatec GT2 and when I'm playing GT5, if the car understeer I can't feel it through the wheel. I have to rely on sound and visuals to aknowledge it. In Forza Motorsport 4 when the car understeers there is a gradual loss of force feedback and the wheel eventually becomes loose just like real life.

My question is: Do officialy GT supported wheel owners (Logitech, Thrustmaster) can feel this effect with their wheel? Are my wheel settings wrong with GT5?
 
I use a DFGT.

The only time I feel it is on ice tracks. The car starts understeering and it is like the force feedback shuts off and you can turn the wheel all you want and it won't make a difference.

I can feel oversteer perfectly on tarmac, as you're pulling the wheel in a turn the wheel suddenly goes light and you need to counter steer to correct. However, understeer is usually only noticeable as the car veers off the line you are trying to carve. Turning the wheel more is met with more resistance and red front tires. It's more of a visual cue than a physical one.

The first time I played NASCAR 2011 I felt understeer immediately and was like "woah, understeer...yep, hello wall". Even though I was on tarmac, it was the same feeling I get in GT5 when understeering on ice. It was both physical and visual...however I don't think it is realistic. The wheel should only go limp if you are on a very slick surface, otherwise it will just remain with the same forces you had prior to understeering. The only exception might be if you locked up the front wheels...but even then there would still be enough friction on the front wheels to cause the wheel to snap to center if you let go.
 
chuyler1
I use a DFGT.
The only time I feel it is on ice tracks. The car starts understeering and it is like the force feedback shuts off and you can turn the wheel all you want and it won't make a difference.
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I second that. Running a DF Pro and when a car understeers the wheel just becomes very loose and no tension from the Force Feedback motors. Next is usually a slight wheel snap when FF-motors turn back on, and headlong into a barrier :banghead:
 
I can feel understeer and I use GT3 RS.
What are your settings? FFB settings in GT5 and GT2 settings on wheel?

By the way - make a difference between actual understeer and plowing the road by applying too much steering in a corner since that's not understeer.
 
Energizerrr
I can feel understeer and I use GT3 RS.
What are your settings? FFB settings in GT5 and GT2 settings on wheel?

By the way - make a difference between actual understeer and plowing the road by applying too much steering in a corner since that's not understeer.
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I run 100% force feedback everywhere.

Also, I don't want to get into a semantic debate but to me ''plowing the road'' is just the extreme end of the understeer spectrum. Its when you have lost all the grip from the front contact patches. Before that there is a progressive loss of grip.

I get what you mean, if you know what you are doing you should only get understeer on corner exit (if the car exibit that behaviour) but sloppy driving like too much steering input combined with too much brake still is understeer to me.
 
chuyler1
I use a DFGT.
It was both physical and visual...however I don't think it is realistic. The wheel should only go limp if you are on a very slick surface, otherwise it will just remain with the same forces you had prior to understeering. The only exception might be if you locked up the front wheels...but even then there would still be enough friction on the front wheels to cause the wheel to snap to center if you let go.
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I partially agree with you. From real life track experience and if my ''muscle memory'' is right, the further you get on the loss of grip curve the less forces are applied on the steering. Its just that its not that obvious when you start loosing front grip and quickly rises when grip becomes minimum.

Its a hard phenomenon to describe in few words...:dunce:
 
I think the forces you speak of are g-forces that your body experiences, not forces coming through the wheel.

...but one thing GT5 does not do correctly is FF torque steer. Getting on the gas exiting a tight turn and pegging the gas will cause a) understeer and b) strong enough forces to rip the wheel from your hand if you aren't holding on, especially if you have an LSD installed.

The only time I have experienced a limp steering wheel IRL is black ice. The second you hit it going around a turn all feedback is lost in your wheel. It is scary as ****.
 
What do you expect to feel, under what conditions?

Thinking about real life, I would say light steering only happens under certain conditions. That would be loss of grip on ice or mud for example, a lock-up, or if you spin the wheels up.

If you go into corner too fast or turn too much, steering gets a bit heavier as you scrub the tyres.

I have DFP and IMO GT5 seems pretty close.
 
Woodski_427
What do you expect to feel, under what conditions?

Thinking about real life, I would say light steering only happens under certain conditions. That would be loss of grip on ice or mud for example, a lock-up, or if you spin the wheels up.

If you go into corner too fast or turn too much, steering gets a bit heavier as you scrub the tyres.

I have DFP and IMO GT5 seems pretty close.
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If you go to fast into a corner the steering should be lighter. If the tires losen the traction it can not be heavier steering. And it does not care if you drive on ice or mud or on tarmac. If you loose grip it Will effect the force from the frontwheels to the steering wheel. As long as you dont scrub the tyres the steering is heavier but when that starts it gets lighter.
 
I think in reality how much of the feel is transmitted through the steering wheel when the car begins to push is entirely dependent upon the car in question. On older, non power racks you can probably notice even mild understeer. On most modern power racks you're probably not going to notice much until you've completely blown the slip angle of the tire, which in GT5 you can simulate by driving on snow or ice and turning the wheel too far.

In a real car with power steering your indication of understeer isn't going to come from wheel feel alone, it's going to be a combination of all seat-of-the-pants feel the car is transmitting combined with visual references and tire noise.
 
steering gets light, you're understeering. you have broken traction in the front wheels which reduces force feedback.

Woodski_427
What do you expect to feel, under what conditions?

Thinking about real life, I would say light steering only happens under certain conditions. That would be loss of grip on ice or mud for example, a lock-up, or if you spin the wheels up.
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in an ff or 4wd. spinning the front wheels in a turn = understeer
 
Whats weird is, with the wheel I can make my car push (understeer via throttle and front wheels sliding) but I cant do that with a DS3

anyone else notice this?
 

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