You know you've done it when you anger a Canadian man. Unfortunately, this is a situation @Racer283 and I have been aware of for a while, and we've tried to sort it out on the low key side, however it seems to still be an issue, so let's just cover some bases about this group. Apologies to those of us who don't need this sort of reminder, I'd just hate to see things escalate any further and we start losing attendance or dividing people. Point 1: These races are for fun. They have zero influence on anything. They're 100% entirely fun. It's why we don't keep score. We don't record who wins and who loses. We don't track any statistics of any kind, we just rock up, race, and have a blast (Or don't if the car is !!!) Does Vic really have the highest number of wins? We don't know, because we've never kept count. Point 2: There is nothing on the line for winning. I'm fairly certain most, if not all of us here have won a COTW race at some point. If you haven't, your time will come. But you'll soon realise that there's very little to gain from winning. There's no prize money, no factory drive with Triple Eight on offer. We're all passionate racers, we all want to win, it's just our nature. But the inside dive, the last lap lunge, whatever you want to call it, is an extremely aggressive move that more often than not ends in contact and one or more people angry. So it's quite advisable to simply avoid it. (I feel it's worth noting that there is a difference between divebombing and simply our braking your opponent. Out braking your opponent is a much cleaner and generally less chaotic manouver, and usually requires you to be right up beside your opponent in the first place. Spoiler: What constitutes "Right up beside?" In most motorsports, "Being beside your opponent" means your nose must be at least as far up as the rival's B pillar. If you don't know what the B pillar is, refer to this handy dandy picture. If you're behind your opponent and you send it late on the brakes up the inside, regardless of how far behind the other guy's B pillar you were, then that's a divebomb, my friend.) Point 3: There's no shame in losing. Part of the reason we run such short races with a quick turnaround time is so that if you have a bad race or need to miss / feel like missing one, then there's only a few minutes waiting before you're back on the grid for the next one. The same goes with why we use the reverse grid based on previous race results. The worse you do, the better you'll start next time and vice versa. I mentioned how nobody cares who wins, well nobody cares who loses either. Baron's already mentioned, everyone has their good days and their bad, we're all human. The important thing is that everyon'e having fun, keeping (relatively) clean, and having some pretty freaking awesome races in the meantime!!! Remember, "Dirtier than F1, cleaner than BTCC." It's a great line, can't remember who first said it, but it's so true. We don't want to cruise around in a procession, otherwise our room title would look a bit more like: "REALISTIC CRUISING 65MPH MAX TWO WAY NEED COPS CLEAN 3/3 AND NO VGT OR KICK" Do those people not realise The Crew 2 is a thing? However by the same token, we don't want to crawl back into the pits, our cars all scuffed up and looking sorry for themselves. There's a middle ground. Don't get me wrong, rubbing's racing. The occasional bump and nudge is fine, provided you're not tapping morse code on someone's bumper. And if you've been in a dramatic race-long battle, it only makes sense to make some final bid to come out on top. Just make sure that whatever moves you make are realistic, and able to be executed with minimal contact. Should things go pear shaped, give back any spots gained or do whatever it takes to avoid ruining other people's races. It used to be easy in GT6, as soon as you realised you were done for you could hit pause and your car would instantly be ghosted, sailing harmlessly through your would-be victims. However nowadays that doesn't seem to be the case, so just try your best to minimise the damage. I hope that's cleared some things up for you all, this group's been around for a very long time, and us longer standing members can attest to just how epic some of the racing can be. Looking forward to some good fun racing next week! I'll try get an R32 review up at some point too.