Car specification/tuning/qualification anomalies in GT5P

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5/23/08 UPDATE:


As discovered by GTP's resident Aston Martin insider, Venari, the default gear ratios for the 2006 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe in GT5P are for the automatic gearbox, and not the manual gearbox. Click HERE for details.




5/17/08 UPDATE:


So here are the anomalies I have found so far regarding the cars in GT5P:

FF cars (other than tuned versions) that can't be used in the FF races:
  • 2002 Daihatsu Copen Active Top
  • 2007 Daihatsu OFC-1
  • 2007 Suzuki Cervo SR

Cars that have non-adjustable individual gears:
  • 2007 Daihatsu OFC-1
  • 2002 Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG
  • 2007 Suzuki Cervo SR

Car's that have non-adjustable final drives:
  • 2007 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro
  • 2006 Mini Cooper-S
  • 2005 Volkswagen Golf V GTI

Left-hand drive car that is a Right-hand drive car in GT5P:
  • 2005 Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0 VTS

While I understand the mix-up with the "Showroom" and "Quick Tune" weight specifications of the Ferrari F40 (1100kg vs 1352kg) - as there were two versions of the F40 with those two weight specs, the heavier being the one sold in the US.

On the other hand, I think the "Showroom" weight specifications for the Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG (1970kg) is just a typo. Fortunately the "Quick Tune" weight specs (1955kg) are correct for that car... which is all that really matters as it is the QT specs that are used to determine the car's actual performance in GT5P.


Overall though, I am actually very impressed and surprised how few inaccuracies/mysteries there are in terms of the car specifications and tuning options in GT5P.




5/4/08 UPDATE:

I searched the forums, but couldn't find any answers... why is it that you can't adjust any of the seven gears for the Daihatsu OFC-1 concept car? At least you can adjust the final gear, but why not the individual gears?
Thanks.





Previous Post:

I was trying to determine what criteria PD is using to determine what drive position a car has in GT5P. My first guess was that it was simply based on the country the manufacturer is headquarted in, but there are examples where that is not the case, like the 2006 Ford Focus ST, 2005 Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0VTS, and 1991 Acura NSX.

Now if it is based on the country where that particular model was built, then at least that would explain why the '06 Ford Focus ST is a RHD car (built in the UK), and why the '91 Acura NSX is a LHD car (built in the US).

However, then why is the 2006 Mini Cooper-S a LHD car seeing as how I believe it was built in the UK, although owned by BMW.

Also, why would the Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0VTS in GT5P be a RHD car?


Any insights into this would be appreciated, thanks.


BTW: For those curious, in GT5P here are the following LHD & RHD cars:


Left-hand Drive Cars
  1. 1991 Acura NSX
  2. 2006 Alfa Romeo 147 TI 2.0 Twin Spark
  3. 2006 Alfa Romeo Brera Sky Windows 3.2 JTS Q4
  4. 1960 Art Morrison Corvette (custom C1)
  5. 2007 Audi R8 4.2 FSI R tronic
  6. 2007 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro
  7. 2007 BMW 135i Coupe
  8. 2007 BMW Concept 1 Series tii
  9. 2007 BMW M3 Coupe
  10. 2003 BMW Z4 3.0i
  11. 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
  12. 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 / Tuned
  13. 2002 Dodge Viper GTS
  14. 2006 Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe
  15. 2006 Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe / Tuned
  16. 2006 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
  17. 1976 Ferrari 512BB
  18. 1992 Ferrari F40
  19. 2006 Ferrari F430
  20. 2006 Ford GT
  21. 2006 Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car
  22. 2007 Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium
  23. 1991 Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione
  24. 2002 Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG
  25. 2006 Mini Cooper-S
  26. 2000 Renault Clio Sport V6 24V
  27. 2000 Renault Clio Sport V6 24V / Tuned
  28. 2001 Volkswagen Golf IV GTI
  29. 2005 Volkswagen Golf V GTI

Right-hand Drive Cars
  1. 2006 Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo
  2. 2006 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe
  3. 2007 Blitz Dunlop ER 34
  4. 2005 Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0VTS
  5. 2002 Daihatsu Copen Active Top
  6. 2007 Daihatsu OFC-1 (concept)
  7. 2006 Ford Focus ST
  8. 2004 Honda Integra Type R
  9. 2002 Honda NSX Type R
  10. 2006 Jaguar XK Coupe Luxury
  11. 2007 Lexus IS F
  12. 1996 Lotus Elise
  13. 1996 Lotus Elise / Tuned
  14. 2004 Lotus Elise 111R
  15. 2004 Lotus Elise 111R / Tuned
  16. 2007 Mazda Atenza Sport 25Z
  17. 2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A
  18. 2007 Mazda RX-8 Type S
  19. 2006 Mine's BNR34 Skyline GT-R N1 base
  20. 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR
  21. 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR / Tuned
  22. 2007 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR Premium Package
  23. 2007 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR Premium Package / Tuned
  24. 2007 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S
  25. 2006 Nissan Gran Turismo 350Z RS
  26. 2005 Nissan GT-R Proto
  27. 2007 Nissan R35 GT-R
  28. 2007 Nissan Skyline Coupe / Tuned
  29. 2007 Nissan Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP
  30. 2007 Nissan (Infinity) Skyline Coupe Concept
  31. 2002 Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R V-spec II Nur
  32. 2006 Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT Type SP
  33. 2005 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi spec C Type RA
  34. 2007 Subaru Impreza WRX STi (18inch BBS Wheel Option)
  35. 1995 Suzuki Cappuccino
  36. 1995 Suzuki Cappuccino /HP Tuned
  37. 2007 Suzuki Cervo SR
  38. 2007 Suzuki Swift Sport
  39. 2007 Suzuki Swift Sport / Tuned
  40. 2002 TVR Tamora
  41. 2000 TVR Tuscan Speed Six

Middle Drive ;)
  1. 2007 Ferrari F2007
 
just a thought ,but it could be that in the future(-gt5)we will have the option to choose wether we drive right or left hand side....
its just a thought...,but a nice one not:):)
spyrrari.
 
spyrrari
just a thought ,but it could be that in the future(-gt5)we will have the option to choose wether we drive right or left hand side....
its just a thought...,but a nice one not:):)
spyrrari.
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I hope that option exists, I don't think I can shift gears or do hand-brake turns properly using my left arm/hand ... :dopey:
 
haha,funny guy:sly:

but seriously,that would be a nice option now wouldn't it??👍👍

spyrrari.
 
Honestly, I haven't noticed too much. The GTI being the only car in the game that I have been in in real life would have been the only one I would have felt weird in had it been right-hand-drive. I honestly don't pay it too much attention.

I am guessing it is more a matter of what kind they were sent to scan, as if I understand it correctly they did a scan of the interiors. Which that may eliminate the option of switching it, as you can't just mirror the image. Plus, some cars don't have that option in real life.
 
luke101
As far as racing is concerned I don't think it matters if itsleft or right!!
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it does if you are used to only RHD and use G25 with inside veiw! I'm happy to race with LHD if the car doesnt come in RHD in real life only.
 
I need to buy myself a new G25 wheel. :ouch: So I can use one gearbox for LHD cars and the other gearbox for RHD cars :dopey:. We're afterall dealing with a real driving simulator.
 
luke101
As far as racing is concerned I don't think it matters if itsleft or right!!
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In the game it doesn't but in real life the majority of tin-top racecars are left hand drive because the majority of circuits are clockwise and left hand drive gives a better view of the apex 👍
 
homeforsummer
In the game it doesn't but in real life the majority of tin-top racecars are left hand drive because the majority of circuits are clockwise and left hand drive gives a better view of the apex 👍
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Not really. It's because most of them are from continental Europe, not Britain.

The BTCC Vectra is LHD as it's an Opel rebadged as a Vauxhall.
 
daan
Not really. It's because most of them are from continental Europe, not Britain.

The BTCC Vectra is LHD as it's an Opel rebadged as a Vauxhall.
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Maybe so, but when I said 'tin top' racers I meant virtually any form of closed-cockpit racing. Obviously there are exceptions, such as LHD NASCARs on anticlockwise circuits (or rally cars, where it doesn't matter). But look at racers developed in the UK - the Aston Martin GT cars, which are built in the UK by Prodrive - they use a LHD chassis because most circuits are clockwise.

Even in the BTCC, anyof the Vauxhall race cars (Vectra, Astra hatch, Astra coupe) are all developed and built in the UK as they aren't used in other touring car series, and yet they still choose the LHD chassis.

Ford used to use a RHD Mondeo in the BTCC in the mid nineties, but when Prodrive took over development they switched to LHD.

Unfortunately, I cannot find the magazine article the LHD reasoning came from (I think it was an old "CCC" mag) but I don't want to take the topic too far from OP.
 
Usually the Left or Right hand drive is because of the county the car is built in but the Mini looks to be an oversight on PD's part as the car whilst owned by BMW, it is built in Oxford.
 
Maybe because Citroen is entering into the Japanese lands, and PD is showing off the Japanese version?
 
homeforsummer
In the game it doesn't but in real life the majority of tin-top racecars are left hand drive because the majority of circuits are clockwise and left hand drive gives a better view of the apex 👍
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Owkay?

homeforsummer
Maybe so, but when I said 'tin top' racers I meant virtually any form of closed-cockpit racing. Obviously there are exceptions, such as LHD NASCARs on anticlockwise circuits (or rally cars, where it doesn't matter). But look at racers developed in the UK - the Aston Martin GT cars, which are built in the UK by Prodrive - they use a LHD chassis because most circuits are anticlockwise.
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Huh?



:confused:
 
I really think we are over thinking this, at least why certain cars are LHD and others are RHD in the game, which would be the topic.

I am betting the answer is as simple as: Because that is the model Pd was given to work with by the producer of the car. Which means PD got whatever car type was most convenient for the producer to ship in a certain time frame.

In some cases PD probably got something from a local dealer in Japan, others they probably had to go somewhere to model it, and in some cases it was probably shipped in to Japan and European cars that are sold in the US would have been closer to ship from Hawaii than Europe, assuming they are available in Hawaii.

I am just speculating, but I guess it is as simple as because that was what PD was given from the producer.
 
homeforsummer
In the game it doesn't but in real life the majority of tin-top racecars are left hand drive because the majority of circuits are clockwise and left hand drive gives a better view of the apex 👍
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Years ago John Welch raced an astra in rallycross events, an inline 4 cyl engine with the gearbox on one end, once he switched from rhd to lhd (or the other way round, I can't remember) the driver balanced out the weight across the centre line in the car and traction was increased.
No tin top will weigh the same on it's left/right axis, if a race team can use the drivers weight to help, they will.
 
Maybe its just based on what PD could get their hands on, be it the physical car or press shots of the cars interior from which to make their models...

It could seriously be that the first pic they got of the Citroens interior was RHD and then that was how they did it! :sly:

Robin
 
I searched the forums, but couldn't find any answers... why is it that you can't adjust any of the seven gears for the Daihatsu OFC-1 concept car? At least you can adjust the final gear, but why not the individual gears?
Thanks.
 
Quick note on the LHD/RHD comments. The Seat's in the BTCC also appear in similar guise in the WTCC, as does the Chevrolet.

In real life I found the first time I swapped it took a few days to adjust, partly because the car position felt "wrong", but now I can swap fairly easily.

As to why they appear as they do in the game I think Robin's right.
 
So here are the anomalies I have found so far regarding the cars in GT5P:

FF cars (other than tuned versions) that can't be used in the FF races:
  • 2002 Daihatsu Copen Active Top
  • 2007 Daihatsu OFC-1
  • 2007 Suzuki Cervo SR

Cars that have non-adjustable individual gears:
  • 2007 Daihatsu OFC-1
  • 2002 Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG
  • 2007 Suzuki Cervo SR

Car's that have non-adjustable final drives:
  • 2007 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro
  • 2006 Mini Cooper-S
  • 2005 Volkswagen Golf V GTI

Left-hand drive car that is a Right-hand drive car in GT5P:
  • 2005 Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0 VTS

While I understand the mix-up with the "Showroom" and "Quick Tune" weight specifications of the Ferrari F40 (1100kg vs 1352kg) - as there were two versions of the F40 with those two weight specs, the heavier being the one sold in the US.

On the other hand, I think the "Showroom" weight specifications for the Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG (1970kg) is just a typo. Fortunately the "Quick Tune" weight specs (1955kg) are correct for that car... which is all that really matters as it is the QT specs that are used to determine the car's actual performance in GT5P.


Overall though, I am actually very impressed and surprised how few inaccuracies/mysteries there are in terms of the car specifications and tuning options in GT5P.
 
May i add the anomaly of the Ferrari F430, where you (or at least i) cannot lower the front of the car !!! (yet you can still lower the back)

Quite irritating little bug(ger).
 
I don't really call the Citroen C4 being right hand drive an anomaly as such, it's not like it isn't available with right hand drive or anything. I expect the model they tested and digiatally modeled was just a right hand drive one, they probably tested it in the UK. Or Japan, if they're imported out there.
 
Digital-Nitrate
So here are the anomalies I have found so far regarding the cars in GT5P:

Cars that have non-adjustable individual gears:
  • 2007 Daihatsu OFC-1
  • 2002 Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG
  • 2007 Suzuki Cervo SR
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I'm not sure why that is the case with the SL, but the other two are likely like that because the have continuously variable transmissions (CVT). For those of you who do not know what those are, they are essentially slushboxes that work using chains or belts instead of gears and can have an "infinite" number of "gear" ratios.
 
homeforsummer
I don't really call the Citroen C4 being right hand drive an anomaly as such, it's not like it isn't available with right hand drive or anything. I expect the model they tested and digiatally modeled was just a right hand drive one, they probably tested it in the UK. Or Japan, if they're imported out there.
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Except that would still be an anomaly as there are 71 cars in GT5P and that would be the only one of two cars in the whole game that have a different driver position than where the car was manufactured... and at least in the case of the Mini, which is the other car, the company is in a LHD region.

The best theory I've heard so far is from NoxNoctis Umbra:

NoxNoctis Umbra
Maybe because Citroen is entering into the Japanese lands, and PD is showing off the Japanese version?
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Keep in mind, being an anomaly doesn't mean its "wrong" or a bug, only that it deviates from the norm.

"Anomaly: deviation from the normal or common order or form or rule"
 
True I guess, equally I wasn't saying you were wrong, I just thought it wasn't that unusual. I agree with the comment you quoted in that it may be because of the Japan link, and in that case Citroen may well have shipped a RHD car out to Japan for them to test, so they just modeled it like that.
 
As discovered by GTP's resident Aston Martin insider, Venari, the default gear ratios for the 2006 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe in GT5P are for the automatic gearbox, and not the manual gearbox. Click HERE for details.
 
Hey everyone, sorry to revive that "old" thread, but i came across an "anomaly" that hasn't been mentioned in here... which i was wondering about.

I was just going through my car list, choosing which car to take for the PP450 London Time Trail and figured, hey i dont own the Alfa Romeo 147ti Twin Spark yet, so i went and bought it.

I always drive in cockpit view and i was expecting a LHD but i was surprised to find my self sitting on the right side of the car.

Has anyone an idea / figured out why PD has modeled an Italian car with its steering on the "wrong" side (since the company and headquarters are in italy)

Was kinda surprised by that.

Chris
 

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