car/track for learning to drive without aids

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About 6 months ago I picked up a DFGT wheel, and as I started to take all of the assists off the game became more fun. I am now only using TCS and ABS, except in LMP cars ill use ASM sometimes.

I am looking to learn to drive without TCS and ASM full and get to the point where I don't need ABS and can decide if I want to use it.

My question to you guys is, is there a car and/or a track that can make learning to drive without aids easier? Or that is fairly forgiving, while still enforcing the skills needed to drive without aids?
 
The Nurburgring Nords... however it's spelt, will teach you all you need to know about racing, even things you never knew you had to learn about, or things that don't exist on any other GT5 track. It is that damned good.

As for car, the Daihatsu Copen is hands down the easiest thing I've ever driven. There is no sign of tire squeal whatveer you try to do, even in the rain without TCS. The thing is a joy to drive too. I love the steering feedback (although i use a DS3). I'd try to learn to drive without ABS with it as well, even though I learned with a RX-7 Spirit R. The thing has unbelievable amounts of grip for a FR.
 
First step first my friend. FT86 or RX8 (close ratio gearbox on this) in cart track or Tsukuba or Cote D' Azur INHO. Having a wheel willteach you to be precise on the wheel. This is the most valuable knowledge for starters. Pedal precision depends to the vehicle if weather is sunny and it takes months to learn. Nurb for you is suicide. Hours wasted without much profit. You will get there but patience is a great virtue.
 
Get a 4WD car and hit the Nurb, not just the Nord though go the full 24hr course and get driving.

You can always join CRAP too, more than a few of our members started with aids on then as they spent more time in the group they reduced their use to zero, great way to have fun and learn 👍

/end shameless recruitment :sly:
 
I agree with rotorist about the Nordschleife, unless you know it extremely well. IMO to get used to bumps and weight shifting, Deep forest and Trial Mountain work well and GVS is a good one for threshold and trail braking.

Cars, I would go for a familiar and modest FR initially as I find MR and 4WD can be more prone to losing the back end.

Be aware of LSD settings on cars with drive to the rears as they can lock up both wheels which is a bit like applying the handbrake.
 
I disagree completely with using the 'Nurb as a place to begin to learn to drive without ABS. You don't teach someone to run by entering them in the Olympic Marathon nor do you teach someone to fly by throwing them behind the controls of an F-22. Driving without ABS has a learning curve, quite steep for some.

My suggestion for a good first track is Tsukuba for a couple of reasons, mainly that it's flat so you don't have to deal with cambered track issues which do affect braking without ABS, and it's short, so running repetitive laps can measure progress quickly

From there I'd move to a track with some cambered corners like Deep Forest or Trial Mountain. On Tsukuba you will likely have the same braking points on all corners without ABS, this will change a little on DF and TM as will the cars reaction under braking. Again the tracks are short enough to run repetitive laps to gauge progress.

If you can master those 2 or 3 tracks, you can then move on to anything else, including the 'Nurb.

For car selection, again I'd start off fairly slow and work my way up. Start with a fairly neutral handling FR in the 400 PP range on CS tires and work up from there.
 
London Reverse is quite easy for learning, use a 400pp or less car, FF or FR should do, Integra or GT86/FRS/BRZ. Brake early and throttle late if using faster car.
 
Tsukuba for sure. Try a Mazda Roadster stock on CS tires. A one make race in practice mode will help with driving in traffic. High Speed Ring is a good track for faster cars. Good luck, just watch your throttle control when you ditch the TCS. FWD/AWD cars are the easiest to start learning to drive w/o TCS but a RWD will give you a fuller experience.
 
It would be nice if you are 100% comfortable with the car and the track before starting your aid-less driving. Find something you already have memorized, then go from there.
 
Nowhere specific and nothing specific. Just play the game as you would normally, except aids off. Learning with one car at one place will teach you that car/place well, but may not help elsewhere.

Just carry on doing whatever you were doing, whether that was seasonals, A-Spec, or online and drive with the aids off. You'll get it soon enough.
 
Johnnypenso
I disagree completely with using the 'Nurb as a place to begin to learn to drive without ABS. You don't teach someone to run by entering them in the Olympic Marathon nor do you teach someone to fly by throwing them behind the controls of an F-22. Driving without ABS has a learning curve, quite steep for some.
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I completely agree, it took me months to master the "Ring" yes it has everything that every track in GT5 has, but its not a good learning course. It can be a good course but I get bored after 3 laps. Its a long course that takes 10 minutes just to find out if you improved your lap time. And not to mention 1 mishap and you screwed your time till you get back around. I hate restarting after I get a good pace going and then having to warm the tires up again also.

I recommend that you run a track that you know well or a track that you like.
As far as cars start at 400pp running FFs and FRs don't just practice with one car you'll end up getting accustomed to said car and when you go get in another car your like WTF. eg. you get someone that is use to using 1 car, they decide to enter a shuffle room w/no AIDES and start complaining and asking if we can turn shuffle off because they only know how to drive 1 car.

Now back to the point after getting accustomed to 400pp bump it up to 500pp using FR, MR and 4WD. Then 600pp, pretty much any car at that pp is a little bit of a handful to drive. Then you can learn to drive the "Beasts" TC RM and RC cars, GT1 and GT2 cars and the infamous LMP cars.

Good Luck and Good Racing!

PS. Don't become one of those 1 car 1 track drivers :banghead: be diverse learn them all.
 
i agree about not using the ring.

In my opinion you want a classic laid out track. Accelerate, brake, turn, accelerate away.
When you have learned how to handle basic braking with abs on a track, then go for more advanced methods such as braking on a fast bend without abs. Learn to crawl, then walk, then you can run.
 
racefan88
About 6 months ago I picked up a DFGT wheel, and as I started to take all of the assists off the game became more fun. I am now only using TCS and ABS, except in LMP cars ill use ASM sometimes.

I am looking to learn to drive without TCS and ASM full and get to the point where I don't need ABS and can decide if I want to use it.

My question to you guys is, is there a car and/or a track that can make learning to drive without aids easier? Or that is fairly forgiving, while still enforcing the skills needed to drive without aids?
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Shelby cobra 427/nurburgring
 
I'd recommend the Toyota 86 on comfort soft tyres. It will slide a bit, but it should be pretty manageable. And of course, drive it at the Nurburgring.

I would also recommend taking a supercar to the Top Gear Test Track and doing some powerslides to get the hang of oversteer and powerslides. Get some wheelspin, make some smoke, and have fun.
 
I would suggest Grand Valley Raceway Reverse! For any kind of car. A great track with all the major corners you can come across. And not too long so you can compare lap times. Not a dull background also (bridges, tunnels, long straight to rest if needed).
 
I've always liked Tokyo as a learning track. You have a nice mix of different speed corners and various levels of braking zone. It's an easy track to pick up and has nice and clear reference points for you to work out your braking zones.

Monza is another good track where you will be slowly increasing the overall speed and still have a simple layout to learn.

Tskuba is awesome as best motoring use it for their tests.

Finally Le Sarth is one that I found the most fun to master as you have so many different ways you can attack the track.
 
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racefan88
About 6 months ago I picked up a DFGT wheel, and as I started to take all of the assists off the game became more fun. I am now only using TCS and ABS, except in LMP cars ill use ASM sometimes.

I am looking to learn to drive without TCS and ASM full and get to the point where I don't need ABS and can decide if I want to use it.

My question to you guys is, is there a car and/or a track that can make learning to drive without aids easier? Or that is fairly forgiving, while still enforcing the skills needed to drive without aids?
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Did any of the people suggesting Nurburgring read the OP? Nurb is the opposite of forgiving.

My first thought was Tsukuba in a low-ish powered car - it is short, a couple of decent braking zones, accelerating out of corners etc. Then when you feel comfortable, increase power, mix up drivetrain, vary the tracks. Any of the fantasy ones would be pretty good.
 
Nurb GP/F or GP/D

It has everything including a tight first corner to test throttle and brake control.
 
Cote d'Azur and Mazda MX-5 NA. You'll have to learn to use whole track, but not too much due to walls. Track is technical, but car isn't too fast, yet it's well balanced and rear wheel drive, so it may slide a bit, but it isn't snappy and nervous. If you want to practice without ABS, try adjusting brake balance first, so rear wheels won't lock up during braking faster than front.
 
racefan88
About 6 months ago I picked up a DFGT wheel, and as I started to take all of the assists off the game became more fun. I am now only using TCS and ABS, except in LMP cars ill use ASM sometimes.

I am looking to learn to drive without TCS and ASM full and get to the point where I don't need ABS and can decide if I want to use it.

My question to you guys is, is there a car and/or a track that can make learning to drive without aids easier? Or that is fairly forgiving, while still enforcing the skills needed to drive without aids?
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best car to learn with is f10 it is still sketchy on braking if you brake to late but you really don't need any aids to get around infact aids just slow the car down
 

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