cars that shouldnt be in the game

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hooray for giving our knowlege to those who 'seem' to know less... chill a bit mayorbill (though it was a good impression non the less). And I'll see you back at GT5?? when GT4 comes out. How bout that. Later peeps.
 
yeah.

i'd just like to point out that despite my knowledge of american cars, i like corollas, i'm just saying that 'because they're japanese means they're more important because i like drifting and initial D' is a crappy argument and doesn't make them more important than anything else.
 
but what's even less of an argument is you refering to his point of view being stupid.

Some of us do care about the difference between an Acura, and a Honda. While AE86 might be considered by others to have a very narrow minded opinion, do we know how much research he has done into the car?

You pointed out that the 86 to 87 Trans AM had many engine changes in one year. Why? Were there new safety standards enacted that contirbuted to a weight gain on the car, and had to be offset?

To spin the target in the other direction...What justification would anyone have to put 513 hp in a car that small?

In my narrow minded opinion, you'll never see a camaro in GT that is more than a few years old. The game has a heavy japanese car maker bias, and just won't spend the time to make more cars available from other parts of the world.

Mayorbill: Here's a life lesson. Never refer to someone as stupid. A blatant open ended comment like that relfects directly on your ability to interact with other people.

AO
 
Originally posted by Der Alta
Some of us do care about the difference between an Acura, and a Honda. While AE86 might be considered by others to have a very narrow minded opinion, do we know how much research he has done into the car?

You pointed out that the 86 to 87 Trans AM had many engine changes in one year. Why? Were there new safety standards enacted that contirbuted to a weight gain on the car, and had to be offset?

In my narrow minded opinion, you'll never see a camaro in GT that is more than a few years old. The game has a heavy japanese car maker bias, and just won't spend the time to make more cars available from other parts of the world.
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well, usually the difference between a honda and an acura is going to be more signifigant (is there even a honda equivalent for a 3.2tl? i know there was a honda legend) than the difference between, say, a skyline GTR Vspec and a VspecII.

some of us care about the difference between a pontiac and a chevy too, but do those people get anything? probably not. we get a camaro SS and a Z28 (and why the Z28 is in there, i have no idea). there are many differences between the Z28 and the SS in GT3, on the exterior, handling wise, and the fact that the Z28 has an LT1 V8 and the SS has the newer (more rev-biased) LS1, but even with those differences, why do we need the Z28? who is going to buy the Z28 in there? money isn't a problem in GT, so who cares? the SS does everything better, so why bother? in real life it's going to be cheaper, and maybe you like LT1s better and that body style better, but do you really need one camaro, and a lesser one of the same generation? no. there is even less difference between a vspec R34 and a vspecII, so wtf is the vpsec doing there? no one is going to buy it, unless they're REALLY bored.

how much research AE86 has done has nothing to do with how important his opinions are. my opinion is not that we need 10 corollas, and 40 skylines. i love AE86s, but in GT i'm happy with the base for a first car, and the SS version. that's all i need. AE86 corolla is one of the japanese cars i'd be likely to buy in real life (along with the acura legend, mkII supra, 240/260/280z/Z32 300zx (80s model looks like **** imo) and the 4th/5th gen civic hatch) but we don't need 10 versions of it in GT3.

GM needed to boost performance, and the carbed 305 V8 (5.0L) was a slug. the 350 TPI (5.7L injection) provided the needed performance. i'm not exactly up to date on the cars the 350 TPI was used in, it was probably the V8 option for all camaros/firebirds/and t/as. but the one car it WAS used in was the new luxury/sport trans am GTA. this car had extra performance and extra luxury.

i don't know how GT3 would be set up with camaros, if they started using older models, since there are alot of engine choices in that time, signifigant ones... there should be a balance somewhere though. someone mentioned that they sell more copies of GT in the US and europe, then they should spread out the car choice a little, personally i'd like to see 6 series and 8 series BMWs, a UK ford capri, fox body mustang, and a holden monaro in the game, maybe a 2nd gen F body to make it even more diverse. GT needs some older cars. older japanese cars too, like 240zs and older mazdas. RX3s would be sweet in GT3.
 
look,first off,I'm not as stupid as you say I am.I know I'm not the greatest car knowing person such as you are,but I do know about what I'm talking about,but that's only cause I have done some research on it and I'm trying to tell you about something that yes,may not be a very good opinon,and it may not be as good as yours,but it's still my opinon..so you must not get in such an uproar for someone stating their opinon.about this situation though,I'm sorry if I may have stated something that has offended you,but just because I state that I like a car a lot doesn't mean you have to jump down my throat about it.I may be stating some wrong facts,but if I didn't at least put forth an effort to try and explain what I've learned,then it would be pointless to continue this.I understand about the camaro situation and the skylines,but what I don't understand is..why do you say there isn't a difference between certain cars?there's a difference in EVERY car that has ever been manufactured in the world..whether it be a slight inch off the dimensioning on a door,to the color,interior,or the actual engine..there's always something different about every car that was ever manufactured.the year could also be a determining factor in the issue as well..so just because they almost act alike,doesn't exactly mean that they are,you know?I'm sorry if I may have false information in this post,but I believe that all of it is correct,so if you have anything else to say about this matter Mayorbill,then please feel free to speak your mind.

AE86Driver

P.S. one more thing is that..just because YOU may not like a car on GT or in reality,doesn't mean that EVERYBODY else won't like it.I'm only saying that because you said,"there are many differences between the Z28 and the SS in GT3, on the exterior, handling wise, and the fact that the Z28 has an LT1 V8 and the SS has the newer (more rev-biased) LS1, but even with those differences, why do we need the Z28?" and my friend has bought a Z28 and an SS and he's experimented with both of them and they're different,so you may not have a reason of wanting that car,but like I said though..someone else probably will.oh,and one quick thing..when you said,"some of us care about the difference between a pontiac and a chevy too, but do those people get anything? probably not." was you really expecting to get anything?it's not like you get a cookie for knowing that there's a difference in a Corolla and a Trueno,just cause of their name.
 
that wasn't my point. i know all cars have little differences. my point is that not all of those differences are very signifigant, especially in a game like GT where cars take 2 weeks to 'make'. i think some diversity in the car list is a lot more important than having 15 types of a different car because they have a different badge on the back or a stripe or something. those things might be important in real life, but i don't think they're quite as important in this game.

as for the Z28 thing, the Z28 in the game is a 92-97 camaro. the SS is a 98-02. the 98-02 Z28 is very similar to the 98-02 SS, ss is a little more powerful and a little more luxury, i think. not a very signifigant difference. they are different, not extremely different.

your friend's camaros... were they the same year?

also when i said that pontiacs and chevys are different, and fans of said car get nothing, i mean that there are two acura NSXs in GT3 and 2 honda NSXs and a race car NSX or two. ther are two camaros, where are the pontiac firebird and trans am? they're a little different than the camaro. the game is extremely japanese biased. i don't want 10 F bodies, well, only if there are 10 skylines, it's just not fair to say that a skyline or a lancer is more important than any other car and deserves more of a presence in the game.

the moral of the story is: the next GT game needs a more diverse car list.
 
well..all in all..I'd have to agree with you on your last statement.yes,they do need a wider selection of cars in GT4 when it comes out.they do have a lil too much Japanese cars in the game instead of american.maybe they should've made it to where ----- Japanese version of GT3 = Japanese cars more than american/American version of GT3 = more american cars than Japanese,but then again..it's just too complicated to do that,so I guess they just tried to base it around Japanese cars,but that's some peoples loss..I suppose.it's really all about the way people want the game to be huh?maybe it's just about the opinons of people,but then again..it really isn't,cause some of the game industries could care less,disappointingly to say.so,to put it simply...some people have losses of them not being able to see more american cars than what there should be.and others actually enjoy seeing more Japanese cars than american,but that's just me :p

AE86Driver
 
AE86 this isn't a diss or anything, but can you please use a space after your commas like everybody else? i have to skip you posts just because they're long and hard to read :/ ta
 
I used to be the same way AE86:p But I've had to type quite a few papers recently and I guess I'm used to it now:)
 
oh yeah,I haven't noticed this before Half,but the second sentance in your signature is awsome =D,that is so true too,hehe

AE86Driver
 
hehe :D all my friends agree........ i don't understand how americans think drag racing OR nascar can be interesting.. one is a straight line.. the other goes in a oval of some sort........ whers the fun? its just.... torture.. thats all
lol
 
I think that MayorBill has written a considerably thought out post. Not only one, but two. Excellent. The two of you startedoff arguing, and have returned with substantial posts to retort. Even coming to an agreement.

My hats off to both of you.

AO
 

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