Cheat lap or last ditch effort ?

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Cheat lap or last ditch effort ?

etc Trial Mountain Circui

you know where there is penalty, but in the final lap you are in second place, so you cut the grass trying to make up ground to reach 1 s t position. Since they already take in the penalty, etc 20 seconds, do they still need to be ostracized ?

Cheat lap or last ditch effort ?

i have seen in some servers some players asked for the player who did that move to be kicked out and banned. Some call it smart move while others call it cheat.

Should racers be criticized or applauded ?
 
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godzidane
Cheat lap or last ditch effort ?

etc Trial Mountain Circui

you know where there is penalty, but in the final lap you are in second place, so you cut the grass trying to make up ground to reach 1 s t position. Since they already take in the penalty, etc 20 seconds, do they still need to be ostracized ?

Cheat lap or last ditch effort ?

Should racers be criticized or applauded ?
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It's kind of a catch-22, there are arguments for both and both can make the other look stupid given the outcome
 
Regardless of the penalties they get, they still deserve to be kicked from the race for attempting to cheat. (If it's a clean lobby)

I personally don't get the point in cutting corners... what is the point of winning, if they've cheated instead of using skill?
 
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Haha this happened to me on spa francorchamps one time, had 1st place the whole race and on the last lap , when i was going through the last chicane someone had flown through that grassy area and flew accross the finish line. a 45 second penalty wont slow down a car going 150

they should patch that. very easy to cheat on that track.
 
The way I see it it can be seen as dale earnhardt's "pass in the grass" (although really a block) or just flatout cheating. However, the suzuka grass cut exiting turn 2 is completely cheating, it depends on how much you cut, if you have 4 tires in the grass, I'd say it's most likely cheating. But unlike the vettel challenge if you have 4 tires in the grass on the outside, you obviously aren't gaining anything and shouldn't be penalized
 
godzidane
Cheat lap or last ditch effort ?

etc Trial Mountain Circui

you know where there is penalty, but in the final lap you are in second place, so you cut the grass trying to make up ground to reach 1 s t position. Since they already take in the penalty, etc 20 seconds, do they still need to be ostracized ?

Cheat lap or last ditch effort ?

i have seen in some servers some players asked for the player who did that move to be kicked out and banned. Some call it smart move while others call it cheat.

Should racers be criticized or applauded ?
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Why would you applaud someone for that. That's a lame move
 
I had heavy penalties in Spa in a shuffle race, it was my last race, people raced clean but cutted the last corners.

Those cheaters came last, lol.
 
Do people really want to win a video game that bad? If you can't win by playing the way everyone else is you don't win, even if the game says you did. Plus you just make enemies instead of racing buddies.

Also, what insane, irresponsible driver (if Trial Mountain were real) would cut a FIELD of grass at that speed?
 
There are at least 3 of these cheats, Trial mountain, Spa last chicane and le-sarthe last chicane. Do it in my room you will get kicked as its blatently cheating and in bad taste. If you cannot win fairly then dont cheat to enhance your position. Simles.
 
I think everyone doing this should be kicked, no exceptions. i was in a supercar race at la sarth and i lost 1st place because a sore loser cut the last chicane and won. and this had penalties on max!
 
yea, i agree with most here. The only time i allow for it is with my buddies in my lounge. We all jack around like that at times depending on the situation and we've known each other forever so its a different thing altogether. In an open room with ppl you've just met its bad form. Just not the honorable thing to do. Its not like you're winning millions and millions of $ and XP. No good reason to do it.
 
I say its fair game. If there is no physical barriers stopping you then why should that opportunity be denied? Not because I think cheating is right, but because I think this is what racing spirit is about. Going as fast as you possibly can in the environment given to you so I don't believe this is cheating and everyone should be allowed to do it if they want.

You wouldn't tell a driver to stick to a particular racing line because one is faster than another and he cheated by taking the inside or outside etc. Same applies here.

Racing lines and strategies is what separates drivers. The more you restrict a drivers range the less there is to work with. If everyone had to follow a narrow racing line then it would be all about the car and not the driver. Heck why not put the cars on rails like those slot car toys with the guns.

Thats why F1 is so boring and same same. The can barely cut or mount the kerbs.


Now too bad there is no realistic damage in Gt5 as taking that life in real life would cause damage to a lot of cars, which is why you probably wouldn't cut that line in real life always, but imo that corners is there for everyone to cut and its certainly a lot more fun if people brave enough to cut are allowed than not.

I've seen many people spin out and loose there from the cut including myself.
 
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This is a game, so it depend on "agreement" between the room members. Some people like to have some fun and they measure the fun with different degree
 
seanneedscar
Haha this happened to me on spa francorchamps one time, had 1st place the whole race and on the last lap , when i was going through the last chicane someone had flown through that grassy area and flew accross the finish line. a 45 second penalty wont slow down a car going 150

they should patch that. very easy to cheat on that track.
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lol happened to me on the weekend i just laughed.. he knew he'd lost.
 
It's pretty obviously a Cheat Lap. Anything which involves taking a shortcut over the track, is a cheat.
 
xSNAKEx
I say its fair game. If there is no physical barriers stopping you then why should that opportunity be denied? Not because I think cheating is right, but because I think this is what racing spirit is about. Going as fast as you possibly can in the environment given to you so I don't believe this is cheating and everyone should be allowed to do it if they want.

You wouldn't tell a driver to stick to a particular racing line because one is faster than another and he cheated by taking the inside or outside etc. Same applies here.

Racing lines and strategies is what separates drivers. The more you restrict a drivers range the less there is to work with. If everyone had to follow a narrow racing line then it would be all about the car and not the driver. Heck why not put the cars on rails like those slot car toys with the guns.

Thats why F1 is so boring and same same. The can barely cut or mount the kerbs.


Now too bad there is no realistic damage in Gt5 as taking that life in real life would cause damage to a lot of cars, which is why you probably wouldn't cut that line in real life always, but imo that corners is there for everyone to cut and its certainly a lot more fun if people brave enough to cut are allowed than not.

I've seen many people spin out and loose there from the cut including myself.
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it's OK and funny when you're goofing off, but it deserves a kick in serious room like i was in.

but i get where you're coming from. i was in a room last night where i was the host and everyone was goofing around, it was at trial mountain and i was using a chaparral 2J. as we went onto the last lap i hit the small hill at the first turn(because i was going to fast to slow down) and flew through the air and succeeded in landing the jump, passing the leader by doing so, there was another 2J behind me and he tried to duplicate the trick. he crashed and ended up in last xD
 
what makes me mad and needs to be fixed is when your in practice mode online. for example. alot of lobbies are race every 10mins etc. so beforehand you can get a few qualifying laps in. yet you get all the cheaters too to get pole. cutting corners and so on as they cannot get penalty. this sucks big time.

also im same as others. if anyone cheats by cutting corners then yeh they should be kicked from the room immediately. boy have i had some hate messages after kicking folk because of this very reason lol
 
Cutting across the grass and clearly out of bounds is bad form.

What if they hit a barrier (and get the cooresponding penalty with damage, etc.)? Here is a good example of what may fit "walking that fine line". Imagine if Carl Edwards(red car #99) actually kept the pass. The part I'm referring to starts right at 1'00.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS47QyGrFJQ&feature=related
 
Ofcourse its not fair. In my lobbies i instantly kick people if i see them cut on purpose.. simple as that
 
The fact that someone would even have to ask the original question, and that others would actually debate about whether purposely cutting across the grass in a road race is cheating, goes a long way to explaining why it's so hard to find clean open lobbies.
 
i dont htink its good consuct, the only time i will ever do this is if qualifying is stupidly short (5 mins for example) and no one has set a lap time and i know that by cutting the corner i'd just about finish my lap. Even then i hardly ever do it :P
 
Jubby
Cutting across the grass and clearly out of bounds is bad form.

What if they hit a barrier (and get the cooresponding penalty with damage, etc.)? Here is a good example of what may fit "walking that fine line". Imagine if Carl Edwards(red car #99) actually kept the pass. The part I'm referring to starts right at 1'00.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS47QyGrFJQ&feature=related
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The difference here is that Carl actually tried to make the turn AND save the car, whereas we don't have to worry about saving the car so we can hit it full speed. If someone did that to me, and I can see that they were actually trying to make the turn without the wall, then it's a great pass. If they forgo the brakes altogether, it's bad form.

The way I see it, if someone makes an aggressive move and misjudges, but is at least trying to keep it legal, it should stick. For example, the second chicane at Monza. It's my opinion that the blue-zone is out of bounds where the speed bumps are. If someone brakes late to make a pass but isn't able to make the turn, so long as they make it clear that they were at least trying to make the turn properly AND they don't take anyone out as a result, then it's fine (in this case, they would have to slow down enough to make it clear that they overshot and were trying to get back on course). If instead, they simply hit the gas and straightline, it's bad form. It's totally a judgment call, but hard and unpredictable racing like that makes for great shows.
 
I see this as the most pathetic way to cheat.

Kick every time.

How about drive through, or stop and go penalties instead of this ghost car rubbish that often rewards the cheaters.
PD, make it happen. Give us the option please.
 
Johnnypenso
The fact that someone would even have to ask the original question, and that others would actually debate about whether purposely cutting across the grass in a road race is cheating, goes a long way to explaining why it's so hard to find clean open lobbies.
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This.

Vegard
I see this as the most pathetic way to cheat.

Kick every time.
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And this.

xSNAKEx
I say its fair game. If there is no physical barriers stopping you then why should that opportunity be denied? Not because I think cheating is right, but because I think this is what racing spirit is about.
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And therein lies the rub.
Any halfway professional online racing series would penalize you for this. Two wheels between the white lines at all times.

I think the 'racing spirit' is often used by guys thinking of themselves as re-incarnations of Ayrton. They're not. So far, nobody is.
 
I'm in agreeance that this shouldn't even need to be asked. The corners are put there to challenge your skill, not to allow you to pull a cheat lap to overtake and win against the guy that chose to take the course the proper way. Trying to excuse it by stating it adds risk is not a valid argument. They shouldnt need to put ugly barriers up for people to realize that's not where you should be driving. I've accidentally cut corners and pulled off a pass, but then I slow down and give then their position back. Because thats good sportsmanship.
 

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