Classic car racing?

[BradLTL]

Somewhat of an expansion on the "What series" thread. There are a lot of cool older cars included in GT but they seem to have limited use. I'd like to see a series of races by era of car and potentially region, for example:

- 60s American Muscle Cars
- 60s/70s JDM
- 50s Euro Street Cars
- 70s Supercars of the world
- '47-'57 Gran Turismo
- 80s Group B Rally Cars

The idea is to give me a series that I can use and compete in the Austin Mini and Lotus Elan; or decide the Mustang v. Camaro battle of the 60s on the track. To me it ruins the race (in GT-PSP) when I load load up the race in the Austin Mini and I am pitted against the Suzuki Cappuccino.

The other thing that I would like PD to consider is limiting the types of assists by the age and original spec of the car. For example, cars before 1975 can't use ABS. Even some later model cars (first-gen Miatas) didn't have ABS systems.

Am I alone in this?

 

[TheCracker]

Pre '65 Historic Touring Cars would suit me.

The other thing that I would like PD to consider is limiting the types of assists by the age and original spec of the car. For example, cars before 1975 can't use ABS.

This would be ideal, but might put the casual gamer off.

 

[Viktor Navorsky]

The other thing that I would like PD to consider is limiting the types of assists by the age and original spec of the car. For example, cars before 1975 can't use ABS. Even some later model cars (first-gen Miatas) didn't have ABS systems.

Am I alone in this?

Thats really annoying... i agree they should consider the limitations of aged cars. I think that would increase the difficult in driving some of this cars, and consequentially the fun.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

I would love to go even further back and have the first vague of streamlined models, etc...
But on a modern track they would be ridiculous with 55 PS (40 kW), top speed of 120 km/h (75 mph), transmission was a three speed manual system, ...

So more cars, more tracks, etc... leading to more costs in development, later releases ...

Seems more like a niche market at the moment like Grand Prix Legends, but that will move towards the big developers that would want to integrate this. Maybe an opportunity to have these races included for those that want against as a special upgrade ....

 

[Goldrusher]

I'm sure there will be dozens of championships limiting you to certain eras.

And with online, you'll likely be able to create your own events.

The other thing that I would like PD to consider is limiting the types of assists by the age and original spec of the car. For example, cars before 1975 can't use ABS. Even some later model cars (first-gen Miatas) didn't have ABS systems.

That would piss off a lot of players.
Even the majority of the die-hards here, don't bother with accurate setups and/or seating positions.

Just imagine some company retrofitted ABS and traction control to every car.

 

[G.T.Ace]

The other thing that I would like PD to consider is limiting the types of assists by the age and original spec of the car. For example, cars before 1975 can't use ABS. Even some later model cars (first-gen Miatas) didn't have ABS systems.

This idea is great and would also work for casuals etc. if you could purchase ABS and ASM systems in the tuning shop. Actually it worked a bit like that in GT2, you had to purchase the ASM and TCS (50.000 Cr. each, a bit too expensive).

 

[TheCracker]

This idea is great and would also work for casuals etc. if you could purchase ABS and ASM systems in the tuning shop. Actually it worked a bit like that in GT2, you had to purchase the ASM and TCS (50.000 Cr. each, a bit too expensive).

But if you want it to be anywhere near authentic, it wouldn't even be an option. The cars never ran with any drivers aids in period and no historic series i'm aware of that races these day allow them either.

 

[chepe371]

Am I alone in this?

Hell nah!

bring on the oldies!.

 

[Kryz11]

Pre '65 Historic Touring Cars would suit me.



This would be ideal, but might put the casual gamer off.

Even hardcore race fans off.

Below 60s cars will feel very sluggish. So please no. I rather see few of the classics, but not race series devoted to them.

 

[Heath_1]

Wouldn't mind some racing from the 70's like this:

 

[TheCracker]

Below 60s cars will feel very sluggish. So please no. I rather see few of the classics, but not race series devoted to them.

below 1960's maybe, but Pre '65 (what a majority of classic racing series are) would be quicker than any of the 'Beginners Hall' races and the majority of the 'Manufacturers Races' as found in GT4.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Hey peeps, here is a list of all cars that featured in the ETCC from 1963 to 1988.

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/cars.html

There is some real forgotten gems listed here peeps.


BMW 320 turbo works group 5

Ford Capri III Zakspeed Group 5

Mercedes 450 SLC AMG Group 2

Porsche 935/77A Works - customer car Group 5

Porsche 935/78 Works Group 5
Engine Porsche Boxer 6, Bore and stroke 95,7 x 74,4, Size 3211 cc, Cams 4 OHC, Valves per cilinder 4, Power 750 HP/8200, Details Bosch fuel injection, twin turbo charger, Transmission Porsche 5-speed, Weight 1025 kg, Brakes f/rdisc / disc, Wheels f/r11 x 16 / 15 x 19, Tyres Dunlop.

Just one list of race cars from 1976
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/1976 Cars.html

 

[G.T.Ace]

But if you want it to be anywhere near authentic, it wouldn't even be an option. The cars never ran with any drivers aids in period and no historic series i'm aware of that races these day allow them either.

So what?
No GT so far had any racing series accurately recreated and i bet GT5 will be the same. I doubt that even the NASCAR is 100% like the real thing.

 

[Viktor Navorsky]

Wouldn't mind some racing from the 70's like this:

Mannn.. you´re the king! 70´s classics ... totally AWESOME!! Where did you get those pics, specially the falcon... there are some highres ?

 

[TheCracker]

So what?
No GT so far had any racing series accurately recreated and i bet GT5 will be the same. I doubt that even the NASCAR is 100% like the real thing.

The race series maybe incomplete, but the cars racing were largely accurate.

 

[G.T.Ace]

You could always activate TCS and ASM, until GT5 there wasnt even an option to switch off ABS, so no. Having these assists as purchasable parts would be at least a bit more realistic without punching the casuals in the face.

 

[BradLTL]

So more cars, more tracks, etc... leading to more costs in development, later releases ...

Not saying more cars or tracks, just let me use the cars that are present in a format that is reasonable.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIw6NGQ85ig

Older cars are harder to drive in real life. The balance wasn't as good, the equipment was as well designed. I think it would add some challenging series to the game. If GT wants to be "Real" then this is a path, I think they should walk.

For the casual gamers, events in the beginner brackets or arcade mode would allow you to override the defaults and use TCS and ABS on your 65 Mustang, but by the time you are at the Professional levels you should have learned to adjust your driving to the capabilities of the car, not the car to your driving style.

It is tough to walk the line between game and sim, but I think PD already has the model in place. In GT4, things like tire temp didn't come into play until the higher skill levels, just apply that logic here.

 

[LOonIE]

Just imagine some company retrofitted ABS and traction control to every car.

Or just turn the assists off...

 

[Heath_1]

Mannn.. you´re the king! 70´s classics ... totally AWESOME!! Where did you get those pics, specially the falcon... there are some highres ?

I just found them on google.

The Falcon is an Allan Moffat one. I think its the 73 XY Phase III. and the Monaro is the Norm Beechey one.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Konami had the right idea with Enthusia.Not biased i just think the philosophy Konami used with this game, exceeded that of PD & GT4.So i agree, PD should go along the real road.

 

[Dan_]

The other thing that I would like PD to consider is limiting the types of assists by the age and original spec of the car. For example, cars before 1975 can't use ABS. Even some later model cars (first-gen Miatas) didn't have ABS systems.

Am I alone in this?

No, you aren't. A few months ago, a huge number of GTP members were posting in a thread about really old ( and classic ) cars, I mean 20's to 60's models, and no one ever mentioned about the TCS, ABS and ASM, what's the point in a 120hp old car if it is electronically tamed? Another example is the Auto Union Streamline in GT4, I'm looking to drive it in the TT physics mode, and I wanna see brakes locking, tires spinning and frenetical countersteering to control it and much more.

I like your suggestion, I've enjoyed the 1000 mile challenge in GT4, although I've used a AC cobra and won it effortlessly.... , but this will change if they limit the PP on the races to emphasize competition, so, bring on the Grandpas! 👍

 

[Gaz Vonhammer]

I feel like playing GTLegends after reading this.

 

[chepe371]

I feel like playing GTLegends after reading this.

Or GTR2 with GTL mod, ffff those lo-res circuits.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

An original race spec 70's touring car would be great to drive.At least you can then drive a favorite, you could have been wanting to drive for the last 20 or 30 years.Same goes for anyone really.