Clutches, Tires, and LSD

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What clutches, tires, and lsd do you guys use in your cars?

I have 2 cars that I always use for drifting, which are both of my S13's...
Nissan Silvia 2000cc (SR20DET)
Nissan RPS13 180SX (SR20DET)

I use stage 2 clutch on both cars

I use Sports tires on front, and either normals or VERY RARELY use simulation tires

I also use 2-way lsd on both cars, because the adjustable one is overkill in my opinion. :crazy:

What does everyone else use with there cars?

-Tim
 
stock clutch, sim tires, stock lsd. you should only use different tire combinations if its a FF car..if it isn't FF then you aren't drifting properly. AWD, MR, and FR drift best with the same type of tire front and rear.
 
whoaa..you deffinatly don't need the e-brake to initiate drift on an FR. lol you should work on your technique ;)
 
I use stage 3 clutch unless it's really high horsepower (like over 900) in which case I use stage 2. I always buy 2-way LSD but usually the various diff settings are pretty close to each other if not even. I just like to have the ability to change them if I want to =)

As for tires, it always depends on the car. My more common ones for FR are sims, sports, and softs. For AWD it's usually somewhere between sims and slicks.
 
I'm not doing anything wrong... drifting is not just mashing the throttle down and go around the turn sideways... there are lots of techniques you have to use to connect all the turns, e-brake is very useful to continue the loss of traction in a tight technical section. It's not like I pull the e-brake before every turn to get the car sideways, doing so would cause me to either spin or continue with too high of an entry speed into the turns at the end of a longer straight section.
-Tim
 
i never need the e-brake for FR cars on any form or combination of drift..not even on AWD do i use e-brake. e-brake is a technique to use if you don't know how to break traction otherwise ;)
 
Well, Dorifto, I'd say you know better the real way to drift, and I know the Japanese drifters use the e-brake a lot in Drifting, but in GT3, the brake drifting and feint drifting methods are most popular. I prefer sims all the way around, full tune, fully adjustable drivetrain components, and a very low state of engine tune...maybe 245hp. Make for a very could slider that can easily brake traction and is very workable. Lot's of camber helps a bit with the loose rear end the sims give it, along witht eh proper toe settings. :D
 
The brake and feint are most popular, I agree, but I also agree with dorifto that the e-brake is very very useful. Anyone who doesn't use the e-brake at least a little bit is not a very well-rounded driver, and needs to open their mind. Sure, the perfect line requires no e-brake, but anyone who takes the perfect line every time please raise your hand. Besides, I thought drifting was about style?
 
Originally posted by LanEvo
e-brake is a technique to use if you don't know how to break traction otherwise ;)
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Actually..that's not entirely true. (though you shouldn't have to use it on every turn)
I use my ebrake all the time because on long straights before sharp turns you can do HUGE sidebrake drifts. Like the first turn on Tokyo, it's a 90degree right hander that's pretty tight...you could feint drift it or brake drift it, but because it's so tight, that doesn't look that cool. So I start my drift way before that while I'm still on the straight and I ebrake to get the car sideways and alternate gas/ebrake until I get far enough into the corner that I can drift through it without hitting the inside wall. The reason I first tried it was because I saw them doing it in a D1 Drift video before a tight left hander after a long straight. They use the ebrake all the time, so I don't see why we shouldn't..:D

Edit: oh yeah and to answer the original question..I just buy the best of everything and stage 2 weight reduction. Then depending on the car, I start with medium tires and work my way down until I find the tires with the right grip (or lack of grip hehe) for my style and that specific car.
 
Originally posted by Ethix101
Actually..that's not entirely true. (though you shouldn't have to use it on every turn)
I use my ebrake all the time because on long straights before sharp turns you can do HUGE sidebrake drifts. Like the first turn on Tokyo, it's a 90degree right hander that's pretty tight...you could feint drift it or brake drift it, but because it's so tight, that doesn't look that cool. So I start my drift way before that while I'm still on the straight and I ebrake to get the car sideways and alternate gas/ebrake until I get far enough into the corner that I can drift through it without hitting the inside wall. The reason I first tried it was because I saw them doing it in a D1 Drift video before a tight left hander after a long straight. They use the ebrake all the time, so I don't see why we shouldn't..:D
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I heard of using the e-brake under these circumstances, but how do you NOT collide into the wall when you're sideways on the straight? :banghead: I've always totaled my car and myself into the wall...... :mad:
 
I just spent 20 min trying to do it on that 1st Tokyo turn and I kept messing up but I finally did a few really good ones. Basically I quickly turn left then quickly right (like a feint drift) and as soon as the car is at the angle you want, you hold down the ebrake..and countersteer to keep the car sliding straight but with the back end kicked out (if that makes any sense). Sometimes I let off the ebrake and hit the gas to get it in the right gear because if you Ebrake in a high gear..sometimes you get stuck in that gear. (this is for people who drift using automatic instead of manual, don't know why it does it though.)
I still hit the wall alot but I've been practicing so I'm getting better at it.
 
One thing I still don't understand: if the car is sideways on the strait, how can pulling the e-brake make it continue to go forward while it's sideways??
 
it'll keep the car drifting cuz of the sudden complete loss of grip. when u drift, ur still usin grip to stay on track, but if u take taht away, it'll just continue to slide
 
I'm just wondering here for a second. The RPS13, is it a modified 180SX? Like a sponsored one or something? I'm not really "in" on this, but I know a 180SX doesn't have a SR20DET stock.
That's why their 180SX as apposed to 200's, their engine size is 1.8 Liters as apposed to the 200's 2.0L engine, ya see tha pattern?
 
Originally posted by TingBoy
it'll keep the car drifting cuz of the sudden complete loss of grip. when u drift, ur still usin grip to stay on track, but if u take taht away, it'll just continue to slide
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That's where FF's can work the things they do ;)

Oh, and I think it's possible. There was this guy in his RX-7 in real life and he drifted the last part of the straightaway into the right-hand turn. I did it in Gran Turismo 3 with my Supra on the Rome Circuit, the straightaway before the last three corners.
 
Originally posted by Driftster
I'm just wondering here for a second. The RPS13, is it a modified 180SX? Like a sponsored one or something? I'm not really "in" on this, but I know a 180SX doesn't have a SR20DET stock.
That's why their 180SX as apposed to 200's, their engine size is 1.8 Liters as apposed to the 200's 2.0L engine, ya see tha pattern?
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the earlier model 180sx PS13 used the CA18 engine but they converted completely to SR20 but still call them 180sx
and in some countrys there 240sx's(still with SR20)

i own a RPS13 with the SR20
later 180x type X uses black top SR20's
 
Hmm...how long before the turn should I start to go sideways?

So basically, the method for getting sideways before the turn is this:

1. Turn in the desired direction sharply
2. Once you've got the drift angle you want, hold the e-brake...and
3. pray that u don't hit the wall before the turn :)

Is that right???
 
you can start the drift whenever you want...I love trying to start the sidebrake drift earlier and earlier every lap so you're sliding really far. Usually though, I do Choku-Doris (drifting back and forth down the straights) so pretty much the timing of it decides when I start the sidebrake drift. I don't really have a specific spot that I start from every time.
Basically.. (First Turn at Tokyo)
1) drive down the right side of the track
2) quickly turn to the left
3) before you hit the wall turn quickly to the right and pull the ebrake
4)as soon as the back end starts to kick out, countersteer to keep the car sliding down the straight
5) just before your car enters the turn, let off the ebrake and slam on the gas

If done right you'll slide through the corner like a normal drift. If you want some examples of it, go on Kazaa and search for 'Drift Sessions 2'. It's not that great a video, but it shows the old Signal Drifter X car doing exactly what I'm doing a horrible job of explaining.:D
 
I did everything you pointed out about the first turn of Tokyo except the factthat I don't ever use the handbrake. I feint drift it, so I never have to use the handbrake. I made a video on that, haven't you seen it yet?
 
The e-brake is rarely *required* to do a drift. It's only required if you mess up the drift, but that doesn't mean that you can't use it otherwise. Look at D1 and tell me how many of those guys don't use the e-brake? You'd be hard pressed to find a single one. As I said before, drifting is about style.

By the way, for those of you having a hard time with it, think of it this way. The e-brake is similar to the gas pedal, except that the gas pedal speeds up the rear tires and the e-brake slows them down (a lot). You can't just pull the e-brake and it will go sideways, you have to nudge it in a direction before you e-brake to provoke the car to go sideways in that direction. As long as you keep momentum with the front of the car (don't slow down too much) then the car will continue to slide sideways. However, the car won't slow down nearly as fast sideways and countersteering as it would if you brake before the corner with all four wheels, so you have to remember to throw it really really early. Otherwise you'll just fly through the corner and hit the outside wall.
 
Originally posted by Thio
I did everything you pointed out about the first turn of Tokyo except the factthat I don't ever use the handbrake. I feint drift it, so I never have to use the handbrake. I made a video on that, haven't you seen it yet?
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As I said earlier..you can feint drift or brake drift the turn just fine, but I think it looks cooler when you start the drift a lot earlier on the straight, that's why I use the ebrake.
If anybody has space I made a little 800kb clip of the Signal Drifter X car from the Drift Sessions video.
 
i use the ebrake rarely only when i enter a corner wrong and i cant fient or brake drift

i like to do complete track drifts with linking asmuch corners up as i can with out stuffing up, the ebrake sometimes saves me
 
finally i can drift perfect at c.strings...wohoooo:D
the tips is lot of e-brake & closed the gear ratios ( my style )
....happy pooppy now ...:D
 
Originally posted by Ethix101
As I said earlier..you can feint drift or brake drift the turn just fine, but I think it looks cooler when you start the drift a lot earlier on the straight, that's why I use the ebrake.
If anybody has space I made a little 800kb clip of the Signal Drifter X car from the Drift Sessions video.
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I can upload the clip onto an FTP. Just email it to me @ SSSTRUMPET@aol.com and I'll do it ASAP.

I should try holding my drifts earlier with the ebrake then :)
 
Originally posted by Thio
I did everything you pointed out about the first turn of Tokyo except the factthat I don't ever use the handbrake. I feint drift it, so I never have to use the handbrake. I made a video on that, haven't you seen it yet?
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Thio, I've seen your vid, really great and the wall came awful close :cool:

However, I think the e-brake will allow u to start going sideways earlier than thought possible. though I've yet to pull a single successful sideways braking drift off...... :(
 

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