CO2 doesn't cause global warming, global warming causes higher CO2 levels?

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But what - then - causes global warming? WELL?! Here's the other perspective:

The Great Global Warming Swindle

A documentary about the CO2 farce.

Oh, and I invite everyone to start defending the CO2-theory before having watched this documentary entirely. The time is 01:41 CET, marker is set on 02:54 CET.

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Thanks for posting, I heard about it and I wanted to see this.
 
I already agree that we're not the ones causing global warming, but I'm going to watch this anyway.
 
I reckon this is only half true. Yes off course the planet is warming up, as the sun uses up its energy, it gets warmer and bigger + the fact that the earth and sun are getting closer to each other plays a important part as well but we're responsible as well. CO2 causes the atmosphere to thicken which does not let reflected solar radiation get back into space, therefor, a larger part of these radiation is being caught in by the atmosphere and therefor, it holds more warmer air. Yes the earth is warming up but it's going so slow that its not necessary to take into account. It's mainly our fault.
 
I think I posted this in the global warming thread a few weeks back. A must see for everyone.
 
Whether or not you believe in CO2 causing global warming (I don't btw) we should try and cut emissions of it as it's proven to be bad for our health. If we can get healthier air for us to breathe, then great.
 
I just finished watching the first 25 minutes(I'll finish it later), and I must say, it really does make sense. I used to be split on the man-caused global warming issue, but this film effectively discounts it.

Great find. 👍
 
I think you have to be very careful about lending too much gravitas to such a documentary... the sources used in this particular film have already been discredited to a large extent, so it is very important that the viewer bears this in mind and does his or her own research into the subject. That is the problem with this type of programme... just because it is controversial, it doesn't make it any more correct. Check out this criticism of the documentary by journalist George Monbiot, which was published in the Guardian last week...

Anyway, I think this should continue to be discussed in more detail in the current Global Warming Discussion Thread in the Opinions Forum...
 
The Global Warming Discussion Thread, bear in mind that that thread is very in-depth.

I'm leaving this thread open for responses to the documentary.

Fair enough, although I suggest you change the thread title to something rather more descriptive - at the very least you might want to add a question mark at the end, since otherwise it is merely a statement, the veracity of which is the very point of the discussion as a whole.

As for the documentary itself, it has left some of the principal contributors very unhappy indeed, esp. Prof. Carl Wunsch who believes his comments have been used by the documentary maker(s) in an exceptionally misleading manner, and he added that he is considering making a formal complaint... (Source)

"The movie was terrible propaganda. It is characteristic of propaganda that you take an area where there is legitimate dispute and you claim straight out that people who disagree with you are swindlers."

The purpose of these documentaries is not quite as straight-forward as it may appear. Ask yourself what the point of it is. Why did they make it? And more importantly, who commissioned it and who broadcast it? The bottom line is that this is television, and controversy/publicity means ratings. Also, from the film-makers point of view, broaching a controversial subject in this manner can mean instant publicity and exposure... the problem is that the sober science behind the punchy headlines is usually the last thing to be treated with the respect it deserves - you only have to look at the screes of so-called 'scientists' who publish book after book of palpable nonsense about evolution to realise that their is much money to be made in the business of pseudo-science... 'Teaching the controversy' is a very dubious approach at the best of times, regardless of the subject. Show us the evidence (and the criticism of that evidence) from both sides and let us make up our minds instead.

At the very least, this sort of television show has to be very careful about using cherry-picked science in order to support a pre-determined agenda to make it's point. That is not the way actual science operates, and therefore it should be treated as such. Sadly, the impact that programmes like this can have is much greater than it should be...

edit: In case you are wondering, I did say much the same thing about Al Gore's film, "An Inconvenient Truth" in a brief interview with The Times newspaper last year. I knew my comments would be published, so I was careful about what I said, but I felt that the lack of discussion about alternative models for climate change (and evidence that did not support Gore's conjecture) was a big drawback to that film too. My personal feeling is that these films are more about activism rather than actual science. Whether or not that's a good thing is up for debate.
 
The good thing about the film is that it at least shows people that there is no consensus, as we would be lead to believe. The problem is that we've had the message that the whole scientific community KNOWS that CO2 -> Hotter planet drilled into us, leading to opinions like this one:

I reckon this is only half true. Yes off course the planet is warming up, as the sun uses up its energy, it gets warmer and bigger + the fact that the earth and sun are getting closer to each other plays a important part as well but we're responsible as well. CO2 causes the atmosphere to thicken which does not let reflected solar radiation get back into space, therefor, a larger part of these radiation is being caught in by the atmosphere and therefor, it holds more warmer air. Yes the earth is warming up but it's going so slow that its not necessary to take into account. It's mainly our fault.

When the fact is that we don't know what's going on, and no current models one way or the other are satisfactory. There is no good reason to support either position - or advocate action based on the assumption of either position (or the assumption that we CAN or SHOULD take action).

The problem is that the more we're forcefed the Anthropogenic Climate Change model as fact by non-experts (media, politicians) the more we'll see two distinct camps developing - acolytes and deniers (no, not the stockings). The acolytes will accuse the deniers of denying the facts, and the deniers will accuse the acolytes of being brainwashed, and both sides will accuse the other of being politically motivated, and both will state their position as if it's fact. The reality is that we just don't know either way - but that message never, ever gets out past the two sides engaged in filibustering.
 
I think you have to be very careful about lending too much gravitas to such a documentary... the sources used in this particular film have already been discredited to a large extent, so it is very important that the viewer bears this in mind and does his or her own research into the subject. That is the problem with this type of programme... just because it is controversial, it doesn't make it any more correct. Check out this criticism of the documentary by journalist George Monbiot, which was published in the Guardian last week...

Anyway, I think this should continue to be discussed in more detail in the current Global Warming Discussion Thread in the Opinions Forum...


I remember just after the documentary was aired they had someone on Newsnight (far more respectable than anything C4 does imo) and he said he knew the people that were quoted on it/interviewed didn't have those views.

C4 documentaries aren't 100% bonafide, similar to why I don't trust the likes of The Sun and the NOTW.
 
How accurate are the models that say that the troposphere is where the concentration of warming should be? That's what a large portion of this is hinging on.

EDIT: around 45 minutes or so the video attacks the models, because they assume that C02 is the driving factor behind global warming.
 
I havent watched this yet but I sure will when I get enough free time. I was doubtful of global warming when I first started hearing about it, then I started to buy into it, now I'm starting to doubt it again. I was reading an article the other day that says since 1980 our average world temperature as only risen 1.8 degrees, and in 20 years its estimated to only increase by .11 degrees or something along those lines. There may be something to it, but I just dont see it being as epic as some are making it out to be.
 
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