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I'm opening this thread cause I want to clear some things up.

Question 1- What is so wrong in having events out of the Norm

Question 2- Why is it such a big deal to run rear wheel drive cars vs all wheel drive cars.

Question 3- Is it going to be more of a fight to run intigrated drift events than it is to run the same ole same ole events like we have been running for the past three years
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Answer 1: Evo wedged in your back seat isnt fun.. Last time I checked, they dont fit.

Answer 2: Evo wedged in your back seat isnt fun.. Last time I checked, they dont fit.

Answer 3: Evo wedged in your back seat isnt fun.. Last time I checked, they dont fit.


Why has what we've done lasted 3 years? Because it works. Why change it?
 
Question 1- What is so wrong in having events out of the Norm

What do you mean by that, do you mean FF drifting or AWD? Personally, if someone posted a event for AWD cars and it had a nice professional OP, I wouldn't mind. But if the OP is saying "yh I gat this 4wd comp i wanna make, every1 join me 2day, its gon be on tsukuba." then most likely, everyone is going to be against it, right?

Question 2- Why is it such a big deal to run rear wheel drive cars vs all wheel drive cars.

It's not a big deal, it's just that drifting originated from FR and most of the drifters use it, imo AWD drifting doesn't look as good as a FR and it also has weird lines. Overall, it seems, like throwing car in the corner, then powersliding out of it. FR, has different lines etc Therefore that's why you don't wanna tandem FR and AWD cars together. They just have different lines, speeds and overall styles.

Question 3- Is it going to be more of a fight to run intigrated drift events than it is to run the same ole same ole events like we have been running for the past three years

I don't think there would be much of a fight as long as the event is held and explained in a professional way. And also, as long as all the circumstances are kept in mind. You don't want to mix up different types of tyres, car layouts etc in one event. THEN, people will argue/fight saying why would you put AWD and FR cars together, saying they have different speeds etc. I can't be arsed explaining further. You get my point 👍
 
^^ This

And have you been here long? :odd: Question 2 has been answered a few times already.
 
Ono's answer basically says it all. This thread is not the first of it's kind. Most people in the drift community know and accept everything that Ono said to be true.

To be honest, RWD drifting is more popular because it is better. Sorry not sorry.
 
I'm just trying to get facts and opinions together. Cause myself I'm a rwd drifter but I have fooled around with 4wd and FF. And from my point of view with the right tune and tire type 4wd and Rwd can run together. I'm not trying to start a drivetrain war by starting this thread. Like all the rest before. I just would like are community to open there doors to new ideas instead of fighting over nonsence of drivetrains. Just to do it log on tonight buy a V-spec R34 skyline and play with the settings till you got it drift ready to your preferances. Invite some buds to your room and run lets say some NSX's and vipers or even some 350z's with the skyline do a chase and a follow run and then get back on here and tell me it can not be acoplished to run the 4wd and the rwd's together. Hence having a hp and tire restriction.


And on your comment gauz yes I have it was not so much drift it was touge but more of a drift touge. But this isn't real life this is a game.
 
I have several tuned awd cars. Yes the behave similar to a RWD but they are not the same animal. The have a little different driving style, along with slightly different lines. I dont think it could be done professionally.
 
And on your comment gauz yes I have it was not so much drift it was touge but more of a drift touge. But this isn't real life this is a game.


I'm talking about going against each other, battles. Not random drifting, street racing etc.
 
if someone wants a AWD event do a Gymkana thing like Ken Block or something. Event it that it is seperated into AWD, RWD, and FWD. Because it wouldnt be fair to put them in the same class
 
I'm sure we could do it if we really wanted to. I challange someone to try it get your regulations down on a profesional level. Comfort hard tires, and open it up to all drivetrains. I know for a fact it can be done and would be lots of fun. You could even make it pre register 16 drivers where 4 drivers run Awd, 4 drivers run Rwd, 4 drivers run MR and 4 run RR. Run a circit of tracks and sections with an individual point system for the differant drivetrains. And for the whole class. If I had the time I wouldn't mind opening the door for this event. But with an event like this it would open the door for multi drivetrain use in comps and finaly close the door on the back and forth drivetrain threads on this site.

I HAVE A DREAM!

And to answer your comment no Gauz I haven't. :nervous:
 
Like it or not, tandems rely on speed. The Spirit R RX7 is so fast it tends to be banned from most competitions. Allowing 4WD's into competitions is like allowing RX7's on roids into competitions...
 
You can't rely on people running 10/90 on 4wd cars nor can you rely on the setup to be as near as possible to rwd as it will go. 4wd has a different style which makes it a completely different category of drifting. Lines change as well as angle and overall style goes out the window too. I don't mind 4wd but it's just not gonna happen at all!.

You need to set power restrictions and thoroughly test each 4wd car to make sure it goes with the rwd cars and all this sort of fuss. Too much hassle.

Also, all 3 of your questions are pretty much the same thing. I'd just leave question 3 there, it covers them all.
 
Like it or not, tandems rely on speed. The Spirit R RX7 is so fast it tends to be banned from most competitions. Allowing 4WD's into competitions is like allowing RX7's on roids into competitions...

I respect what your saying but with the right downforce on an nsx or anything really you would be amazed at how much faster the car will go.

Dmax yes you are right about honestly of the drivers that would be hard to know if there telling the truth. Man I really don't know what to say all I'm trying to do is get rid of the useless threads. On here and get all the marbels on the floor.

I would like to go in a comp room in the future and be able to run a 4wd or a FF if I wanted to. If it where an unrestrected comp like most open comps are.
 
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I don't really mind the 4WD drifters at all. Some might disagree. In competition though I do think it's a bit unfair, but free runs bring em on.

Upon reading more of the Thread, it seems The GT5 community is as Anal as ever. So besides the stupid tire restrictions, now you can't tune your LSD or use certain Cars even if they are RWD? Really? I drift just as well in my Trueno as I do in my Sil-80 or S14 or RX-7. Yes I still use Sport medium's too. See you guys on Friday....Finally getting my net connection back! Can't wait!
 
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I'm opening this thread cause I want to clear some things up.

I have to assume the thread about the "Japanese drift comp" at Tsukuba with the funky rules inspired you to make this thread? Anyways, I'll add my two cents.

Question 1- What is so wrong in having events out of the Norm
There's nothing wrong with it, as long as they are properly organized, rules are clearly explained, and a level playing field is established (in terms of car restrictions and regulations).

I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean by "out of the norm"...do you mean different tire compounds? Different drive trains? Or something else different all together?

I honestly think the number one reason we don't see FF, AWD, or various tire compound comps is simply a lack of interest.

I don't have anything against FF or AWD drifting, it's hella fun from time to time...and if someone prefers to drift on tires other than CH, that's cool too. But personally (and I think a large portion of the community will agree with me), I simply don't have the interest to tune a FF or AWD car to the point where I feel it is comp ready (same can be said for tire compounds, with CM being the exception).

Another reason I think people avoid FF and AWD drift comps is the judging. Do you have any idea how to judge a FF tandem run? I sure don't. I, along with pretty much everyone else who plays GT5, have limited time that I can play the game. I have no interest in joining a comp where I foresee any kind of major debate over judging occurring, as that is a waste of my time. I would rather drift for fun with friends in my limited play time as opposed to sitting around arguin about comp rules.

Question 2- Why is it such a big deal to run rear wheel drive cars vs all wheel drive cars.

As others have already said, this topic has been discussed at great length on these forums. People's biases aside, the general consensus is that different drive trains just don't drift well with each other due to the difference in the physics (which leads to the problem areas, those being line and speed).

I agree in part with your second post in this thread, where you say it's possible for a RWD and AWD car to drift for fun together...but I disagree if you think they can fairly compete against one another. It's important to remember that there is a difference between tandeming for fun, and tandeming in a comp.

To me, asking why RWD and AWD can't compete against each other is like asking why skateboarders and BMX riders don't compete against each other in the half-pipe at X-games (snowboarders and skiers might be a better example). Putting the fundamental basics aside, the two disciplines are quite different from one another, and just don't mix. You can fairly race one against the other (RWD vs AWD, or skier vs snowboarder), but you cannot judge one against the other in a fair way.

Question 3- Is it going to be more of a fight to run intigrated drift events than it is to run the same ole same ole events like we have been running for the last 3 years.

I'm going to play Devil's advocate on this one. You make it seem as though the current "unwritten comp rules/standards/regulations" have been set in stone for the last three years. The other way of looking at it, is that it has taken the community 3 years, of trial and error, along with a fair amount of discussion, arguing, bickering, fist fights, and death threats, to get to the point we're at.


Using that "Japanese Drift Comp" as an example of an integrated drift comp...try to imagine how that would have gone. Do you really think someone would show up in a FR car, with 400ish HP, on CH tires, and then try to compete against an AWD car with 700+ HP on CS tires? I highly doubt it. If that comp would have actually gotten off the ground, I'd bet almost everyone in it would be running Skylines on CS tires....and how "integrated" is that?

Putting the drive train and tire compound issues aside, that Japanese comp didn't stand a chance of going anywhere due to the alarming red flags some of those rules were putting out (1 corner; 400hp minimum:confused:; DS3 only...wtf; and most alarming, whatever he said about front tires not being allowed to drift, or whatever it was). All of those rules clearly demonstrate a lack of general knowledge about drifting...which makes interest nose-dive.

I highly doubt you will ever see comps where different drive trains or different tire compounds compete against each other, simply because it is like judging apples vs oranges.

I think someone (perhaps you could be the one to step up to the plate Rob :sly:) could potentially organize a successful AWD only, or FF only drift comp. The biggest issue I foresee would be finding enough people interested in joining.

I think one way to add some variety to the current line-up of comps is to have more themed comps (like Marbel's JDM comp in July, or Slick's D1-4-Fun 4-Door comp a few weeks ago). There is all kinds of potential for a wide variety of themed comps. One theme I'm actually surprised I haven't seen yet is a one make comp...ie Spirit R only, or Miata only, etc etc.

Anyways, those are my answers, sorry for getting long winded...I'm bored at work lol.
 
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I have to assume the thread about the "Japanese drift comp" at Tsukuba with the funky rules inspired you to make this thread? Anyways, I'll add my two cents.

There's nothing wrong with it, as long as they are properly organized, rules are clearly explained, and a level playing field is established (in terms of car restrictions and regulations).

I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean by "out of the norm"...do you mean different tire compounds? Different drive trains? Or something else different all together?

I honestly think the number one reason we don't see FF, AWD, or various tire compound comps is simply a lack of interest.

I don't have anything against FF or AWD drifting, it's hella fun from time to time...and if someone prefers to drift on tires other than CH, that's cool too. But personally (and I think a large portion of the community will agree with me), I simply don't have the interest to tune a FF or AWD car to the point where I feel it is comp ready (same can be said for tire compounds, with CM being the exception).

Another reason I think people avoid FF and AWD drift comps is the judging. Do you have any idea how to judge a FF tandem run? I sure don't. I, along with pretty much everyone else who plays GT5, have limited time that I can play the game. I have no interest in joining a comp where I foresee any kind of major debate over judging occurring, as that is a waste of my time. I would rather drift for fun with friends in my limited play time as opposed to sitting around arguin about comp rules.

As others have already said, this topic has been discussed at great length on these forums. People's biases aside, the general consensus is that different drive trains just don't drift well with each other due to the difference in the physics (which leads to the problem areas, those being line and speed).

I agree in part with your second post in this thread, where you say it's possible for a RWD and AWD car to drift for fun together...but I disagree if you think they can fairly compete against one another. It's important to remember that there is a difference between tandeming for fun, and tandeming in a comp.

To me, asking why RWD and AWD can't compete against each other is like asking why skateboarders and BMX riders don't compete against each other in the half-pipe at X-games (snowboarders and skiers might be a better example). Putting the fundamental basics aside, the two disciplines are quite different from one another, and just don't mix. You can fairly race one against the other (RWD vs AWD, or skier vs snowboarder), but you cannot judge one against the other in a fair way.

I'm going to play Devil's advocate on this one. You make it seem as though the current "unwritten comp rules/standards/regulations" have been set in stone for the last three years. The other way of looking at it, is that it has taken the community 3 years, of trial and error, along with a fair amount of discussion, arguing, bickering, fist fights, and death threats, to get to the point we're at.

Using that "Japanese Drift Comp" as an example of an integrated drift comp...try to imagine how that would have gone. Do you really think someone would show up in a FR car, with 400ish HP, on CH tires, and then try to compete against an AWD car with 700+ HP on CS tires? I highly doubt it. If that comp would have actually gotten off the ground, I'd bet almost everyone in it would be running Skylines on CS tires....and how "integrated" is that?

Putting the drive train and tire compound issues aside, that Japanese comp didn't stand a chance of going anywhere due to the alarming red flags some of those rules were putting out (1 corner; 400hp minimum:confused:; DS3 only...wtf; and most alarming, whatever he said about front tires not being allowed to drift, or whatever it was). All of those rules clearly demonstrate a lack of general knowledge about drifting...which makes interest nose-dive.

I highly doubt you will ever see comps where different drive trains or different tire compounds compete against each other, simply because it is like judging apples vs oranges.

I think someone (perhaps you could be the one to step up to the plate Rob :sly:) could potentially organize a successful AWD only, or FF only drift comp. The biggest issue I foresee would be finding enough people interested in joining.

I think one way to add some variety to the current line-up of comps is to have more themed comps (like Marbel's JDM comp in July, or Slick's D1-4-Fun 4-Door comp a few weeks ago). There is all kinds of potential for a wide variety of themed comps. One theme I'm actually surprised I haven't seen yet is a one make comp...ie Spirit R only, or Miata only, etc etc.

Anyways, those are my answers, sorry for getting long winded...I'm bored at work lol.


No one uses Comfort tires in D1 or Formula D. I've attended both completions and walked the Pits. Most use shaved Falken Azenis tires or some Equivalent.
 
No one uses Comfort tires in D1 or Formula D. I've attended both completions and walked the Pits. Most use shaved Falken Azenis tires or some Equivalent.

Cool story bro...remind me again why your telling it to me? Was i talking about FD or D1? When was the last time you walked the pits of a GT5 drift comp?
 
Upon reading more of the Thread, it seems The GT5 community is as Anal as ever. So besides the stupid tire restrictions, now you can't tune your LSD or use certain Cars even if they are RWD? Really? I drift just as well in my Trueno as I do in my Sil-80 or S14 or RX-7. Yes I still use Sport medium's too. See you guys on Friday....Finally getting my net connection back! Can't wait!

Did I miss something? Where did you pick that up?

No one uses Comfort tires in D1 or Formula D. I've attended both completions and walked the Pits. Most use shaved Falken Azenis tires or some Equivalent.

Haha....ha... The hilarity
 
No one uses Comfort tires in D1 or Formula D. I've attended both completions and walked the Pits. Most use shaved Falken Azenis tires or some Equivalent.

Grippy tires are used in comps...

Yes, but those are high horsepower, high speed, big smoky smiley shows.

THIS
is real drifting


 
I was thinking about it while playing this week. I was suffering badly to keep up with Team Nemesis (sorry to mention you guys again), but sometimes i could match some decent tandems, chased or following. Then i said "now ill leave and ill go to any noob´s room to fell myself better". Jokes apart, i really did it. 2 diferent lobies, free change of tires, AWDs alowed, and ghost mode (colisions OFF).

And then cames up a groundbreaking statement: There are so many people on GT5 (more than i could imagine, and it feels like the number only raises) that don´t understand how sensible and precise is the everyday´s "door 2 door" drifting. Mimicing fake tandems is not legit, drift together without never take care about triangles and weight shifting also is not legit. Or worse, drifting not caring about colisions or trade paint is more lame than anything.

That´s why some people don´t understand why is so important to both drifters have the same grip amount, or why diferent drivetrain layouts doesnt match. Even FR with MR/RR demands adaptations from both sides. What i notice on these noob lobies is an extreme feeling of selfism, cose even in a track with almost 16 member running (in a tight Tsukuba pool), it was hard to notice anybody drifting together. It was more like than random showoff than partners dueling.
 
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And that's why....

(This has been said time and time again)

....avoid online lobbies!

There are exceptions however. The 'JDM only'/Wheel only'/Low power rooms always tend to be the select few who know what works. The lobbies are always chilled, the cars looks awesome, and you can always grab someone out of the pack to tandem.
 
And that's why....

(This has been said time and time again)

....avoid online lobbies!

There are exceptions however. The 'JDM only'/Wheel only'/Low power rooms always tend to be the select few who know what works. The lobbies are always chilled, the cars looks awesome, and you can always grab someone out of the pack to tandem.

You are right on everything that you said. Sometimes i do insist in check what is going on the "downtown", and maybe discover new people that worth to drift with. Otherwise i was wondering how good or bad is this "online ghost mode", cose after middle and long period, it will build drifters with no sense of tandem finesse. And im sure that noobs will start to use it a lot.
 
Well here is from my stand point. First people try to make this realistic as possible. You move away from the realistic view, people will also move away. That would be why most do not use AWD/FWD. As for the tires, we learned on Comfort Hards why change after 2 years in the game? Now sure people can change there ways and try something different, but something like a different drive train or tires is a big change. We had to do a whole lot of testing before making VDC Comfort Mediums. Now its time for the rest of the community to come up to par. If you want to be with the rest of us use Comfort Hards/Comfort Mediums and RWD street cars. If you want to use something else don't come after the community for not changing with you. Last but not least cant we just Keep Drifting Fun? And don't forget, more bananas.
 
I don't see how this is a dictatorship. I mean, the majority of the community believes RWD and CH are the way to go when drifting. No one forced these beliefs onto us.
 
Admitedly yes earlier on there were big fights and a fair bit of bish bashing until CH's became the norm (Even us as ACN (now D-Max) went from CH to CM and back around end of 2010/early 2011).

Yes CM tyres drift nice, and arguably CS and SH for those who are into them.

But in terms of a global rule in the community, for benefit of tandeming and clean lobbies, CH are generally the accepted tyre of choice, and there's next to nothing anyone can really do about it now (even if anyone did wanted to change it :p).

But yeah as said before, you want to drift CM,CS,SH? Go ahead! Meet with people like you, or those who don't mind you being on faster tyres. But never come to a meet such as the S.N.B, and demand the tyres be changed, it would just be childish.

A developed 'drift culture' is NOT a dictatorship.​
 
I'll admit I haven't been in a Drift comp lobby for months so I don't know if you guys have stepped your game up, but before they were filled with slow drifters with Tire restrictions which is why I rarely joined a comp. if this has changed great. I know of great Drifters who used CH tires and I'm confident I can out drift AWD or FR so I can care less what people use.

Lol@ the guy who said this is real Drifting. I love that answer.
 
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