Consumer Reports calls GX460 unsafe...makes circus...Toyota halts sales.

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but it seems they had to dig pretty hard.

NEW YORK (AP) -- Consumer Reports has given the Lexus GX 460 SUV a rare "Don't Buy" warning, saying a problem that occurred during routine handling tests could lead to a rollover accident in real-world driving.

In the latest blow to Toyota's reputation, the magazine said that during a test of the vehicle's performance during unusual turns, the rear of the vehicle slid until it was nearly sideways before the electronic stability control system kicked in.

Consumer Reports said in real-world driving, such a scenario could cause a rollover accident. As a result, the magazine has given the seven-seat SUV a "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" label until the problem is fixed.

"In a real world situation, by that time, the car can hit the curb or the side of the road and that's the situation where, in a vehicle like that, it could cause it to roll over," said Gabriel Shenhar, senior auto test engineer at Consumer Reports, who was one of four testers to experience the problem.

Consumer Reports said the last vehicle to receive such a warning was the 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Limited. It said among the 95 SUVs in its current ratings, no other slid as far as the GX 460.

In a statement Toyota said it is concerned with Consumer Reports' findings, adding that its engineers will try to duplicate the magazine's tests to determine its next steps.

"Please keep in mind that the 2010 GX 460 meets or exceeds all federal government testing requirements," the automaker said. "We take the Consumer Reports' test results seriously."

Starting at about $52,000, the GX 460 is a small-volume vehicle for Lexus, Toyota Motor Corp.'s luxury brand. It went on sale in November and only about 5,000 have been sold since then. But the warning represents yet another blow for Toyota's tarnished reputation for safety following recalls of millions of vehicles for faulty gas pedals. The GX 460 is not covered by the pedal recalls.

Consumer Reports said the problem occurred during a handling test on its test track. During the test, the driver approaches a turn unusually fast, then releases the accelerator pedal to simulate the response of an alarmed driver. This causes the rear of the vehicle to slide.

In normal cases, the vehicle's electronic stability control should quickly correct the loss of control. But Shenhar said in the case of the GX 460, the stability control took too long to adjust, causing a risk of rolling over.

However, Consumer Reports said it is not aware of any reports of the vehicle rolling over. The magazine said it tested two separate vehicles, both of which experienced the problem, but neither rolled over.

The GX 460 is built on the same platform as the Toyota 4Runner, but Consumer Reports said the problem did not occur during similar tests on the 4Runner. According to Toyota's Web site, both vehicles are about six feet tall but the GX 460 is about 3 inches taller.

Consumer Reports spokesman Matt Fields said it is "very rare" for the magazine to caution consumers against buying a vehicle because of safety concerns. The Mitsubishi Montero, a large SUV, received such a warning in its August 2001 issue after testers claimed its wheels lifted off the ground during standard avoidance-maneuver tests, he said.

At the time, Mitsubishi disputed the magazine's findings and did not make any modifications to the vehicle, Mitsubishi spokesman Dan Irvin said. The Montero remained on sale in the U.S. until 2007 and continues to be sold overseas as the Mitsubishi Pajero, he said.

(This version CORRECTS surname of Mitsubishi spokesman in last graf to Irvin sted Irwin)

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I dunno...Consumer Reports has been known to flub these tests up before in the name of spectacularism. I wonder if the data from those tests is still on the truck's computer.

It didn't even try to roll this time...the stability control just kicked in a bit "late." Just how "Sideways" did it get, anyway? are we talking D1GP angles, or something a bit less noticeable except to someone driving? and how fast, exactly, were they going? Faster than a reasonable, prudent driver should be going on city streets and country highways?
 
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Breaking News*

Inexperienced drivers driving their cars in ways they weren't intended and upsetting the balance of the car can lead to dangerous situations! If you are an inexperienced driver and are intent on driving your high center of gravity, 3 ton bohemoth status wagon in ways that are not safe for public roads (even for most sports cars) you are at risk! DO NOT BUY THIS VEHICLE.
 
Lol. This just in: SUVs are more likely to roll over than cars. Whoda thunk?

Also, 'another blow to Toyota's reputation?' This sort of stuff just happens. It wasn't a blow to their reputation until I got a text from some friend telling me about how this was all over CNN and how they're getting all upset with Toyota over not confronting these problems and on and on.
 
Ugh. See? Always looking for a problem in order to sell more magazines or airtime. This really is becoming a Circus.
 
The slide feature of the Lexus is designed to prevent the driver's coffee from spilling and ruining his or her suit.
 
I love how they wouldn't call it a "safety risk" if there was no stability control...

What the hell is this world coming to?
 
:lol: pretty soon there will be a drift version with backwards graphics and flashing lights.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_consumer_reports

annnnd, as per the Toyota Production System, Toyota halts sales.

WASHINGTON &#8211; Toyota Motor Corp. is temporarily halting sales of the 2010 Lexus GX 460 after Consumer Reports issued a rare "Don't Buy" warning amid concerns the large SUV has handling problems that could cause it to roll over during sharp turns.

The Japanese automaker said Tuesday it had asked dealers to temporarily suspend sales of the SUV while it conducts its own tests on the GX 460.

"We are taking the situation with the GX 460 very seriously and are determined to identify and correct the issue Consumer Reports identified," said Mark Templin, Lexus vice president and general manager.

The decision to stop selling the SUV is the latest blow to Toyota's tarnished safety reputation after the recall of millions of cars and trucks over gas pedals that are too slow to retract or that can become stuck under floor mats. The GX 460 is not covered by the pedal recalls.

But it reflects Toyota's attempt to respond more quickly to safety concerns after federal investigators accused the automaker of dragging its feet on recalls to address the faulty gas pedals. Toyota faces a $16.4 million fine from the Transportation Department and has until April 19 to decide whether to contest the penalty or accept it.

Toyota said about 6,000 GX 460s from the 2010 model year have been sold since the vehicle went on sale in late December and an estimated 1,600 of the SUVs are at dealerships.

Consumer Reports is closely read by many car buyers before choosing a new car or truck. In January, it pulled its "recommended" rating on eight vehicles recalled by the automaker due to faulty gas pedals.

The magazine said the Lexus problem occurred during tests on its track. In a standard test, the driver approached a turn unusually fast, then released the accelerator pedal to simulate the response of an alarmed driver. This caused the rear of the vehicle to slide outward.

In normal cases, the electronic stability control should quickly correct the loss of control and keep the SUV on its intended path. But with the GX 460, the stability control took too long to adjust, which could cause a rollover accident if one of the sliding wheels were to strike the curb or another obstacle, said Gabriel Shenhar, Consumer Reports' senior auto test engineer who was one of four testers who experienced the problem.

The magazine said it is not aware of any reports of the GX 460 rolling over. It tested two separate vehicles, both of which experienced the problem, but neither rolled over.

The warning label on the model will remain until Toyota addresses the handling issue with the seven-seat SUV.

Templin said in a statement he was "confident that the GX meets our high safety standards" and said Toyota's engineering teams were testing the GX using Consumer Reports' specific parameters. Lexus will provide a loaner car for any customer who bought a 2010 GX 460 and is concerned about driving the vehicle, Templin said.

Customers who have questions or concerns about the GX 460 can call Lexus at (800) 255-3987.

The "Don't Buy" label is unlikely to hurt Toyota's broader sales since the GX 460 accounts for a fraction of its total, said Erich Merkle, president of the consulting company Autoconomy.com in Grand Rapids, Mich. However, it comes at an unfortunate time as the automaker tries to move beyond the recalls.

"I think it will have a bigger impact from a negative-PR perspective than from an actual sales perspective," Merkle said.

The GX 460, which starts at about $52,000, is built on the same platform as the Toyota 4Runner. However, Consumer Reports said the problem did not occur during similar tests on the 4Runner. According to Toyota's Web site, both vehicles are about six feet tall but the GX 460 is about 3 inches taller.

Consumer Reports said the last vehicle to receive such a safety warning was the 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Limited, a large SUV. In that case, testers said the wheels lifted off the road during standard avoidance-maneuver tests, which also posed a rollover risk.

At the time, Mitsubishi disputed the magazine's findings and did not make any modifications to the vehicle, Mitsubishi spokesman Dan Irvin said. The designation appeared to have little effect on the Montero's sales, which increased overall during the second half of 2001.

The Montero remained on sale in the U.S. until 2007 and continues to be sold overseas as the Mitsubishi Pajero.

Toyota shares traded in the U.S. fell 52 cents to $79.03.

Consumer Reports may have just ended the drift craze. I sincerely hope this doesn't affect the FT86.
 
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This nearly as bad as Tiger's grade school teacher making 20 year old claims. Its a Snow ball effect.....

Edit: I dont recall seeing anything about first gen CTS-V traction and stability controls failing. I've found out the hard way.
 
God, I hate Consumer Reports. They review cars like they review toasters.

Drift oversteering isn't a flaw. It's a feature.
 
A toaster? I thought it was a fridge?

The strange thing is... a lot of "sportscars" and "sports sedans" would fail that test. A lot of them. And so would a lot of cars... Anything hits a kerb sideways with enough force and it will flip over.
 
Pfft. I had to look up what a GX460 is and discovered it's what the rest of the world call a Prado or Land Cruiser. I'm in Dubai at the moment and driving the model two generations previous. Last year I drove the previous generation too. It's no more unsafe than any other large, tall, heavily off-road biased off-roader would be. You drive within the vehicle's limits - it's fairly obviously a bit roly-poly in the corners so you drive accordingly.

It's obviously handy to be able to avoid accidents should one present itself but if you're getting into the sort of situations where you can flip a 4x4 you shouldn't be on the road in the first place.
 
Actually the GX460 is the equivalent of the Toyota 4Runner. The LX470 (or whatever the current engine size is) is the equivalent of the Land Cruiser.
 
Actually the GX460 is the equivalent of the Toyota 4Runner. The LX470 (or whatever the current engine size is) is the equivalent of the Land Cruiser.

No, the GX460 is just a Land Cruiser with a funny badge and a beige leather interior.
 
Mmm I see, it's the same as the Euro and Asian Land Cruiser Prado. Here in the States, it shares a platform with the 4Runner and FJ Cruiser. The Lexus LX is based on the Toyota 200 Series (I guess it's called), which is called the Land Cruiser here.
 
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