Contemplating an E39 M5

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So here's the thing. I currently own a 2007 Lexus IS250 and even though I like it a whole lot and it's been in the fam since new it's gotten a little boring lately beacuse there's not much I can do to it plus it's feeling a little slow at times. I started looking at an IS350 from 2006 that I could probably get with about 1K extra since my IS is in great conditions but I said hell if I'm going to switch my car I might as well get something very different. Started casually looking for M5s and found this beauty
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It's for sale at 16K, which seemed a tad low but I just called the owner and the guy has done the clutch at 62K miles (currently was 79k) did the VANOS service, no problems with pixels, interior mirrors, suspension bushings, NOTHING. It's extremely tempting, especially considering I could get 20K for my IS and have about 4K on my side for some extra gas and any maintenance/mods.

So, what do you people think? Is it a good idea?
 
I love that car! I came across one here recently for about $25K...so tempting! The only thing that would concern me about a 10-year-old BMW...is that it's a 10-year-old BMW. There is no telling what kind of repairs (and money) lurk around the corner...
 
I love that car! I came across one here recently for about $25K...so tempting! The only thing that would concern me about a 10-year-old BMW...is that it's a 10-year-old BMW. There is no telling what kind of repairs (and money) lurk around the corner...

Exactly, which is why I've tried to inform myself as best as possible. The car had the clutch changed and the VANOS serviced as well so those are the major worries, and the owner has recipts. The engine on these cars is solid from what I've read and since someone is offering a 2003 one for less then that should mean this older one for more $ is in better condition. I don't drive that much and have a spare car so minor repairs and fuel costs aren't quite an issue. I was getting only like 19MPG in the IS anyway since it had to work a bit and downshift to get to like 70 on an uphill. My commute is mostly city with a bit of highway and quite a bit of up/downhill so I don't think the MPGs will suffer much from a bigger engine that will be revved less due to more torque
 
I say go for it, especially considering the price. $4K isn't exactly small change, especially when you're getting a faster, bigger (?), and generally more epic car.
 
Pros: Timeless look, nice interior, 400hp, spacious, great sound at WOT, quiet around town.

Cons: Maintenance, premium fuel (only going up), expensive tires.
 
Why would anyone consider an E39 M5? Are you insane or something?


Just buy it already!
 
I say go for it, especially considering the price. $4K isn't exactly small change, especially when you're getting a faster, bigger (?), and generally more epic car.
Exactly, though I'm a tad worried that IF something breaks it won't be cheap, but the major things have been done and it really needs nothing, I just need to see it in person and take it to a mechanic to inspect.
Pros: Timeless look, nice interior, 400hp, spacious, great sound at WOT, quiet around town.

Cons: Maintenance, premium fuel (only going up), expensive tires.
The maintenance itself does not worry me much as it takes pretty much the same as my current car. My IS just underwent an $800 service last month where they changed the battery, front sway bar bushings, one of the brake calipers and probably some other minor thing I'm leaving out, so what I;m saying is that around the 50K-70K mileage things do break here and there on cars and then other minor components break until the cicle of those 50-70k comes back and some more major components such as suspension break again, just normal wear on parts that don't last that long. The IS uses premium fuel as well and like I said the change in MPGs would probably about 4-5 less than now which is not substantial and having 4k over on this side should cover those expenses.
Why would anyone consider an E39 M5? Are you insane or something?


Just buy it already!
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So you say you want an E39 M5...

Well, here's a quick thing I wrote a while back about them:

Let me try to give you the low down on the E39 M5.

Great car, very fast, extremely comfortable/practical/whatever superlative you want to throw at it, but like others have said, not cheap to fix. Are you mechanically inclined? Do you plan on doing repairs yourself, or are you going to take it to a shop? From what I've heard, if you start out with a decent example, you should budget an average of about $1500-$2000 per year in maintenance cost. That number goes down a little if you do everything yourself, but it still isn't cheap.

Mechanically, the S62 is more reliable than what a lot of people say. The VANOS system can be a bitch if it goes wrong, but from what I've heard, it's usually the solenoid rather than the entire system that's failed (much cheaper and easier fix). Back when these cars were still under warranty, a lot of dealers just replaced the whole system, less diagnostic headaches that way. Otherwise, some people have started recommending replacing engine rod bearings preventively at around 100k miles. Some cars are showing more wear than others for the bearings, but if they do fail (which has on some cars), it'll throw a rod and you are most likely going to be looking for a new engine, which, you can imagine, is a lot...

Some other things to consider: depending on where the car is from, look for rust damage. The rear door vapor barriers have a tendency to let moisture in after a few years (it's a quick and easy fix), the rear sway bar mounting brackets are weak and it's not uncommon for them to be broken (install an aftermarket reinforced bracket), secondary air pump breaks, and when it does, it throws a CEL and is very expensive to repair (it helps with cold start emissions, most people just turn off the CEL rather than fixing the secondary air pump). When purchasing, check that the O2 sensor, mass airflow sensor (MAF sensor) and spark plugs have been replaced. Check to see when the clutch was replaced last, if driven hard, M5s will eat clutches every 50-60k miles or so. Expect about a quart of oil consumption every 5-7k miles. Make sure that when oil changes are done, the previous owner has used either 5W30 or 10W60. Check for weeping diff seals, hoses, suspension bushings, etc.

If you do buy an M5, the US got them from 2000-2003 model years. 2001-2003 are the post-facelift models, and there were continuous updates throughout its lifetime. Post facelift models generally fetch more money. Pre-facelift models didn't have Angel Eye lights nor Jeweled tailights, had a older navigation system with 4:3 screen, slightly different interior combo options and trim, different steering wheel and black dash gauge faces. Mechanically, a post 3/2000 build vehicle should have an updated VANOS system (desirable). Between 2001-2003, most things stayed the same. Only differences is that the rear side airbags were disabled by default for 2002 model year, 2002-2003 model years have automatic headlights, 2003 have an updated DVD based navigation system (which also allows easy plug-and-play connectivity with BMW Aux input and Bluetooth), and 2003 also had a slightly updated VANOS system that helped decrease the start-up engine ticking noise. Otherwise, all cars came pretty fully loaded and only had a few options. (It's been a while, so I may have forgotten a couple of things).

For a higher mileage 2000, you can expect to pay about $13k-$15k. Higher mileage 01-03, $18k-$20k. Lower mileage 2000, around $18-$21k. Lower mileage 01-03, $23k-$27k. Low mileage 01-03, up to $30k or so. Almost brand new 01-03, up to $45k.

Those prices were US prices, and since it was over a year ago, it's changed slightly since. I'm not sure about the market in Puerto Rico, so it's hard to say for sure whether the car is priced "right" or not. Also, my assumption is that Puerto Rico got the US spec ones (the above post is for US spec cars, Europe has a slightly different options list and model year range). You'll have to double check on that.

A couple additional things to look for are:
-Inspection II service should have been performed at 60k miles
-Check the radiator fan clutch for wear
-Sounds like you already know about the dripping rearview mirror issue.
-Of course, make sure to get all service records and receipts, those are very telling of what the car's gone through.

Maintenance wise, if you get a good example, you could probably get away with $1k-$1.5k of yearly maintenance, but when things start to fail, expect to budget annual maintenance cost of $3.5k-$4k. The maintenance budget can be decreased somewhat if you plan on buying parts online and doing the work yourself. In the end though, being an M car, even parts are significantly more expensive than the expensive BMW cars.

The ad doesn't have really any good pictures on it. All I can tell from the ad is that it's a 2001 and it's got the sport interior with blue inserts. I didn't understand the rest of the ad, so not sure what options are on this car.

I still think the E39 M5 is of the best cars ever made, but just be prepared to pay a lot for maintenance annually, more so than your Lexus. I don't want to scare you away, but if you can afford it, then I say go for it.
 
So you say you want an E39 M5...

Well, here's a quick thing I wrote a while back about them:



Those prices were US prices, and since it was over a year ago, it's changed slightly since. I'm not sure about the market in Puerto Rico, so it's hard to say for sure whether the car is priced "right" or not. Also, my assumption is that Puerto Rico got the US spec ones (the above post is for US spec cars, Europe has a slightly different options list and model year range). You'll have to double check on that.

A couple additional things to look for are:
-Inspection II service should have been performed at 60k miles
-Check the radiator fan clutch for wear
-Sounds like you already know about the dripping rearview mirror issue.
-Of course, make sure to get all service records and receipts, those are very telling of what the car's gone through.

Maintenance wise, if you get a good example, you could probably get away with $1k-$1.5k of yearly maintenance, but when things start to fail, expect to budget annual maintenance cost of $3.5k-$4k. The maintenance budget can be decreased somewhat if you plan on buying parts online and doing the work yourself. In the end though, being an M car, even parts are significantly more expensive than the expensive BMW cars.

The ad doesn't have really any good pictures on it. All I can tell from the ad is that it's a 2001 and it's got the sport interior with blue inserts. I didn't understand the rest of the ad, so not sure what options are on this car.

I still think the E39 M5 is of the best cars ever made, but just be prepared to pay a lot for maintenance annually, more so than your Lexus. I don't want to scare you away, but if you can afford it, then I say go for it.

Thanks for the info, some of that I gathered drom M5board and youtube videos. Yes we got the US Spec M5.
The most recent work the car had done had something to do with the air con, I think it was the condensator or somthing like that, don't fully remember. As it is right now the car needs absolutely nothing, even the pixels on the dash are all there and every rubber piece seems to be fine. I hope I can get away with using the ~4K it will leave me with for about 3 years of maintenance and nothing big fails, which shouldn't since the VANOS as I mentioned was already serviced and the clutch should last up to at least 100K. The owner has recipts so I'll have to check that and also take it to a shop and get it checked out. I'll see what I do within the next couple of weeks, hopefully I make the right decision

EDIT: Extra info - I drive around 5k miles/year which would mean 1 oil change per year, the owner changes oil every 4K miles and says it burns no oil during intervals
 
Depending on how quickly you need to make a decision, it might be worth getting in touch with Powripper as he had one.

For what anecdotal evidence is worth, a friend of mine also had one, but sold it 18 months later - apparantly it was great fun but too costly in tyres. He replaced it with a Civic Type R EP3.
 
Roo
Depending on how quickly you need to make a decision, it might be worth getting in touch with Powripper as he had one.

For what anecdotal evidence is worth, a friend of mine also had one, but sold it 18 months later - apparantly it was great fun but too costly in tyres. He replaced it with a Civic Type R EP3.

The tires are the least Of my worries since my current car uses similar widths and the wear on the M cant't be much worse unless you goin daily. Thanks for the heads up
 
I have a '97 e39 540i. In this year there weren't any M5's so this was the best e39 you could buy. It's pre-vanos but AFAIK, besides a slightly longer stroke on the M5, VANOS, and an electric throttle (mine is mechanical) the engine is the same. Also, mine has the M-sport suspension so I reckon i have a pretty good idea of what the M5 might be like.

In terms of driving, it's really great, you will wonder why you ever considered it in the first place. Looks great, sounds great, and if you de-badge it, it will be the ultimate sleeper. It's actually pretty good on gas mileage as long as you don't drive in town too much. cruising at 70-110mph I get about 28-29mpg.

Maintenance is indeed an issue, $2k a year sounds about right to budget for it, however, if you buy official parts and get your local trusted mechanic to take care of it (rather than paying BMW labor rates) then you can get away with budgeting half that.

The only possible downside is that it feels a bit heavy when going around corners/braking. Its not really a problem but it doesn't feel like a nimble sports car. If you want that, then get an M3, but then be prepared for more wind/road/tire noise.

Warm her up for 15-20 mins before driving, change the oil once a year, check all fluids once a month and I doubt you will need to spend any money at all on extra maintenance.

Hope that helps!
 
Thanks! I'll hopefully go see the car on saturday and if it's good enough get it checked out by the mechanic later on. I'll Post back then.
 
Thanks! I'll hopefully go see the car on saturday and if it's good enough get it checked out by the mechanic later on. I'll Post back then.

cool. btw the seller seems to have put M3 wheels on, ask them if they have the originals, since i think they would look better and you would also pay less for 18" rubber than 19".

i just read your post about your commute. the engine doesn't particularly like being driven in the city and up hill will hit your MPGs. i get 13-15mpg around town, you might hit 18s if you have a decent amount of highway in your commute. in any case, you don't buy a car like this because it's economical. something a prius CAN'T do though is 1500rpm @ 50mph :D so you win some you lose some.

final point, the car was built in an era when 0-60 times were understated, i'm pretty sure you can hit 5.0... So it's faster than the figures suggest. Enjoy!
 
Went to see the car today, things is flawless. The previous owner changed rid bearings, clutch changed as said as well as vanos, everything works, expected rock chips here and there as well as some damage on the wheels. No rust at all, car always stored in garage.
I could not drive the car but owner have me a ride and I must say it feels very good, ride is nice considering it has 19s and it has quite good torque. I'll be looking over its history next week at the placed it was serviced at, checking for the work that was done and proof. Hopefully by next week everything is settled 👍
EDIT: This is the only pic I took, the car is in great cosmetic condition. Even the cupholders are OK
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Went to see the car today, things is flawless. The previous owner changed rid bearings, clutch changed as said as well as vanos, everything works, expected rock chips here and there as well as some damage on the wheels. No rust at all, car always stored in garage.
I could not drive the car but owner have me a ride and I must say it feels very good, ride is nice considering it has 19s and it has quite good torque. I'll be looking over its history next week at the placed it was serviced at, checking for the work that was done and proof. Hopefully by next week everything is settled 👍
EDIT: This is the only pic I took, the car is in great cosmetic condition. Even the cupholders are OK
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Awesome! How did it sound on startup?
 
Nightmage82
Awesome! How did it sound on startup?

Sounded great with that dinan exhaust, it was sort of overwhelming checking everything out, though the exhaust in the E92 M3 does sound a tad more aggressive on startup
 
Today I went to the shop where the M has been worked on, everything was good and the shop owner seemed very trustworthy. Also went back and test drove the car myself finally and I must say that even though compared to the E92 M3 the clutch feels a little hard and the throw of the lever is very short due to a SSK the car drove great and felt somewhat familiar. I did not get to push it but the torque was nice and it was all very effortless. 3RD gear was a bit clunky but the owner says the car has had that since the previous owner and it was not a grinding tranny noise really so it did not concern me (plus it only happened at certain changes at certain RPM) The car will hopefully be mine by saturday and the Lex has already been listed for sale
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hemisport15
Time to order Fluid MotorUnion's rear section and some x pipes...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=belptHJcQXo">YouTube Link</a>

(the one on the left)

I saw, I dig. How much are they? If the price is right i might sell the dinan and get those. But first things first, I need to have the car first an wait so I'm sure no surprises await me shortly
 
I saw, I dig. How much are they? If the price is right i might sell the dinan and get those. But first things first, I need to have the car first an wait so I'm sure no surprises await me shortly

Unfortunately, I don't know the price off the top of my head and their products page isn't working but they've been making a decent amount of them lately.

Here is their contact information if you want to look into it more...

http://www.fluidmotorunion.com/contact-us
 
If the BMW computer says it okay, go for it.
It has extremely low milage, nearly impossible to find over here.

It's certainly a nice car, Never driven the M but drove a normal v8 from a friend while in collage and was a blast to drive.

Also if you buy it a taxedo and a shaved skull are a must :lol:
 
I'll email them and see
Ibonibo
If the BMW computer says it okay, go for it.
It has extremely low milage, nearly impossible to find over here.

It's certainly a nice car, Never driven the M but drove a normal v8 from a friend while in collage and was a blast to drive.

Also if you buy it a taxedo and a shaved skull are a must :lol:

:lol: not going for the shaved head but I have a sudden need for driving gloves 👍
 
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:lol: not going for the shaved head but I have a sudden need for driving gloves 👍

Driving gloves really should be included with any purchase of an M vehicle I've concluded. :sly:

Congrats on the M5, the only complaint I've heard from owner's is the running costs, otherwise it is the best thing ever made :lol: Please do post up thoughts on it over the course of owning it; always curious what people think (probably because I want to buy one later on)
 
If you are contemplating purchasing an E39 M5 go for it I have driven one and they are my favorite BMW out right.
 
Well I do not have it yet but hopefully by saturday I will be able to post pics and officially own the car, I'll do my best to document my ownership experience of the car. I am still a little worried about the repair costs that might spring up but I think that now is the correct time to get the car considering their prices/mileage
 
Congrats on the intention of buying the M5. Since you don't drive that many miles, running costs should be relatively reasonable.

As others have said, keep us all updated on how the car goes. 👍
 
So, the car is officially mine. Gave it a final inspection and found some good things and some bad things. The good is that it has a connector for ipod so I can listen to my music and confirmed that it needs nothing currently to operate and almost all electric parts are in order. The bad is that it has a small power steering fluid leak which will have to be fixed as soon as possible. There are some small cracks in plastics and foam parts which don't bother me. Also, I found that the car might have been repainted because of some marks but if it was, whoever did it did an excellent job. Finally, third gear is a little tricky and if you don't do it right it grinds, I thought it was because of worn out synchros but I think it is dependent on how you place the gear in position and how much the clutch is depressed, though rev matching certainly helps. It doesn't worry me really and I've got the hang of it already. All in all I'm very happy even though I have to do some small things to it. Now on to the pics:


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Congrats on the new car! Enjoy it!
 
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