Corner cutting rules suck!

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First of all,I've got penallty so much times even if I had only 2 wheels across the white lines,and I sucks. I've made few resourches and they say this:

"by throwing all 4 wheels over the kerbs (and the artificial grass patch)" - F1 rules.

"You now need to have all 4 wheels across the white line to incur a penalty" - WTCC rules.

So.. next time when you CM make game,make sure you check out official rules.
 
NateC
First of all,I've got penallty so much times even if I had only 2 wheels across the white lines,
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That's never happened to me. The only place it might happen is the final corner at Algarve GP. The solution is simple - take a tighter line. The penalty system works by looking for any advantage that you got by crossing the line.

"by throwing all 4 wheels over the kerbs (and the artificial grass patch)" - F1 rules.

"You now need to have all 4 wheels across the white line to incur a penalty" - WTCC rules.
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And neither Formula 1 nor WTCC is represented in the game.
 
So.. penalty for 2 wheels over the white lane. NO penalty when I spin someone.

Conclusion 1: They were drunk when they were making this game.
Conclusion 2: They were probably looking F&F movies. :D
 
Either you get full rules of racing,or you don't get them at all. You can't take only rules which you like. That's stupid.
 
Problem is that penalty sistem is stupid. At Okutama - Grand Circuit I pushed out 3 cars in sand/gravel (on first turn) and they spin out at least 3 times (and lost at least 10 second time) and I didn't get penalty for that,but I get it for stupid 2 wheels over the line. Am I crazy or they? I know the answer,but you don't.
 
The penalty system will only give you a penalty if all 4 wheels are over the white lines AND if you gain an advantage.

What you feel may be only 2 wheels over the line will often actually be all 4 wheels. Different views can make it tricky to judge (this is because of the FOV used). Might I suggest you watch the replay with great detail and observe what your wheels are actually doing.

Also, if you could post a video of a penalty being applied where 2 wheels are over the white line AND no advantage is gained, that would be great.

Thanks :)
 
NateC
First of all,I've got penallty so much times even if I had only 2 wheels across the white lines,and I sucks.
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:lol:

As anim8r points out, you may often think it is two wheels over the line, but the chances are it was four wheels, especially when you are using a view where you can't see the whole car. I haven't got any issues with the corner cutting system, because when I get a penalty, I know I'm in the wrong. I haven't received a penalty with two wheels over the white line iirc.
 
The only time I've so far seen repeated penalties for what appears to be only 2 wheels over the line(and still well over) is at Algarve as @prisonermonkeys suggested and at Sepang South in the tight hairpin, second to last corner. I'm still not sure I don't get 4 wheels off by a tiny bit, but it does seem for sure touchier in at least those two corners. Everywhere else I've been sure(after getting over the anger) that I was legitimately off and gained advantage. And of course those corners are offset by a couple others I've gotten away with what I think is surely an advantage.

The Sepang one is the most annoying because the AI cars hog the inside line and force you to either get a penalty or get into a shoving match with them. It's a bit like the left-hander after Druid's at Brands, except on the inside and with a penalty instead of a spin -- they just don't care if you're there in a couple corners.


Also, I believe that F1 rule(which is still irrelevant as far as GRID is concerned) is no longer the case unless they've changed it again, 4 wheels over the line is supposed to be a penalty. They used to let them get away with murder and go all the way over the curbs with all 4 wheels on that green stuff. Made certain corners at places like Catalunya just plain embarrassing. As I was told, that rule was supposedly changed to require keeping a wheel or two inside the white lines(which were always officially designating the actual edges of the track) a year or two ago and they have been calling it(and driving it) tighter lately, though they probably get exceptions in a couple places.

We don't get the benefit of pre-race drivers' meetings to clarify the rules for each track... which half the drivers in any given series ignore anyway. We just have to find out where the limits are when we exceed them, then adjust our lines accordingly to remain legal. The game does a pretty damn good job of not giving you a very harsh penalty if you don't cut very badly(except at Algarve).

It does appear that Grid-land is a place where beating up on other cars is acceptable however, but of course is at your own risk. If the alternative is getting penalties for the AI bashing me around, then I can live with it. Just as I can live with the rule [which I agree with] that if you put 4 wheels on the curbing or grass and gain time or position as a result you can expect a penalty.
 
FastTech
:lol:

As anim8r points out, you may often think it is two wheels over the line, but the chances are it was four wheels, especially when you are using a view where you can't see the whole car. I haven't got any issues with the corner cutting system, because when I get a penalty, I know I'm in the wrong. I haven't received a penalty with two wheels over the white line iirc.
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F.E. I always get penalty on North/Infield Circuit on Indianapolis,on the last turn where is road conected to streigh-line,and you can easily corner-cutting there. Point is: if you ever played that track,you are always on track even with 2 wheels,so you can't get penalty on that turn - that's impossible,if you look at the turn. I tried to cut that corner on time-attack and I didn't get penalty,but when I do race with other cars on "race" I do the same thing and I get penalty. But I wasn't off-track.
 
NateC
First of all,I've got penallty so much times even if I had only 2 wheels across the white lines,and I sucks. I've made few resourches and they say this:

"by throwing all 4 wheels over the kerbs (and the artificial grass patch)" - F1 rules.

"You now need to have all 4 wheels across the white line to incur a penalty" - WTCC rules.

So.. next time when you CM make game,make sure you check out official rules.
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Funny that you mention it:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/grid-autosport-first-impressions.312054/page-14#post-9871687

You are actually experiencing the best penalty system applied to console racing games so far, but i guess you are a bit too liberal with using the track that's all.
 
NateC
F.E. I always get penalty on North/Infield Circuit on Indianapolis,on the last turn where is road conected to streigh-line,and you can easily corner-cutting there. Point is: if you ever played that track,you are always on track even with 2 wheels,so you can't get penalty on that turn - that's impossible,if you look at the turn. I tried to cut that corner on time-attack and I didn't get penalty,but when I do race with other cars on "race" I do the same thing and I get penalty. But I wasn't off-track.
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Just because a track has tarmac either side of the white lines, it doesn't mean that that's the track. The track is defined by the white lines specified for that route. Drive over them and gain an adbantage... you get a penalty.

If in doubt, give a little extra room when aiming for the apex..... that should reduce your chance of getting a penalty. Or... you could simply slow down. Not every corner can be taken flat.
 
NateC
Either you get full rules of racing,or you don't get them at all. You can't take only rules which you like. That's stupid.
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Welcome to making your own racing game. You get to choose what rules you put in.

Revolutionary thought, I know.
 
I gave you arguments why penalty system suck. You were just talking bulls**t without any argument.. I'm still waiting for reasons why is this GRID penalty system soo much awesome. :D :P
 
Your argument sounds like what someone who just doesn't understand that you get penalized if the game thinks you'll gain an advantage by cutting a corner or going wide.
 
NateC
I gave you arguments why penalty system suck. You were just talked bulls**t without any argument.. I'm still waiting for reasons why is this GRID penalty system soo much awesome. :D :P
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So why is four wheels over the line better than two again? Seems arbitrary. Or is your reasoning "because F1 and WTCC do it", despite the fact that neither of these series are in the game.

The penalty lines are where the penalty lines are because that's where Codies put them. Anim8r has asked you for specific example of areas where the penalty lines may not be triggering where the developers intended. There's potentially legitimate places where the penalties are harsher than intended.

Apart from that, it's a case of that's how they've chosen the game to be, and so you need to drive within the limits provided. The vast majority of penalties are likely exactly how the developers would like them to be. You can alter your driving to take the penalties into account, as you would have to at any real life racing event, or you can throw your toys out of the pram.


As far as BS without any argument, I can't help but notice that there's no real logical basis behind your assertion that a developer must take all racing rules or none. Why exactly can a developer not choose to implement some rules but not others? Specifically, why are penalties for corner cutting and penalties for aggressive driving inextricably linked such that a game may only have both or neither, not one or the other? I see a lot of games with only one or the other, and it seems to be working perfectly fine.
 
Morgoth_666
Also, I believe that F1 rule(which is still irrelevant as far as GRID is concerned) is no longer the case unless they've changed it again, 4 wheels over the line is supposed to be a penalty.
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The rule is that some part of the car has to be making contact with the track. The track edge is defined by the white lines, and of course the only parts of the car making contact with the track (or the only part that should be) are the tyres. So at least one of the wheels within the white lines. Kerbs are not part of the track... the astroturf is right out.

The rule's been there, they just haven't really bothered enforcing it. Or they enforce it in stupid ways and inconsistently. "Running off the circuit there would actually slow the driver down, so we don't have to give out penalties there." Oh really? Is that why they're all running wide lap after lap, because it's slowing them down? Brilliant.
 
I try to keep within the white lines. If I stray and get a penalty I just suck it up :D

No point in over-analysing imo
 

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