Costa Di Almafi - Drift vs. Grip course (touge)

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Off-topic? I have no idea

Personally, I think alot of turns on that track can be taken faster drifting than gripping.

Has anyone tried creating a touge car that you can choose to take a turn by drift or grip on any given situation to get the fastest time around that turn?

Anyways...

Here's an experiment, use a car that has drift settings and try to get the best time around Costa Di Almafi (Capri Rally) by drifting the turns. Then, with the same car, make a new set of settings (without changing the horsepower, weight, and tires) that would allow it to grip and compare the times with the ghost created by the time set by the drift settings of the same car.

If you were to use two different cars, one for drift and the other for the other, make sure the power to weight ratio are similar.
 
Go get some lap times for me... I want to see what YOU can do drifting on that course.. cause I personally feel grip is gonna be faster, and physics is on my side...
 
would you run the same tires on both cars?

Id say keep the cars the same, with same power and everything, just changed settings/driving style
 
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Go get some lap times for me... I want to see what YOU can do drifting on that course.. cause I personally feel grip is gonna be faster, and physics is on my side...
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Grip is faster in alotta places. But some turns in that specific course that people would chose to drift would exit faster. But I have no capture card. I'll try getting lap times, but I made this thread on the assumption that there are some amazingly good drifters out there judging by some videos I've seen on this forum. That assumption was made because I personally think I'm underpar (against the veterans on the board) for speed drifting contests.

Plus, I remember some d00d a long time ago on the GT3 boards who boasted that he/she knows how to take their drifting line the fastest. It was one in a million to fish those guys out for this thread but hey...

But um, I'll try to set my own times (remember, no capture card). I'll give you the stats (including power to weight and other stuff like that) in due time.
 
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Off-topic? I have no idea

Personally, I think alot of turns on that track can be taken faster drifting than gripping.

Has anyone tried creating a touge car that you can choose to take a turn by drift or grip on any given situation to get the fastest time around that turn?

Anyways...

Here's an experiment, use a car that has drift settings and try to get the best time around Costa Di Almafi (Capri Rally) by drifting the turns. Then, with the same car, make a new set of settings (without changing the horsepower, weight, and tires) that would allow it to grip and compare the times with the ghost created by the time set by the drift settings of the same car.

If you were to use two different cars, one for drift and the other for the other, make sure the power to weight ratio are similar.
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yea, i did try this. after posting my video with a simular experiment.. someone mentioned that idea in that post. i did my best time on grip settings, then raced that ghost replay on my drift settings. grip is fast overall with a faster lap time, but some conrners drift does have the advantage.
 
HOLY *S**SDF*S

that was seriously the nicest hairpin drift i have ever seen...

WOW.. if you haven't seen this video yet, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!?!
 
holy shiznit, now THAT is drifting! :D,

btw notice how he has like a couple inches between the parked cars and the telephone pole... a Wise.. ralley driver would have drifted later :D
 
Well first of all, 4WD can do that in GT4, with proper settings and timing and also skill. I can do that with my Subaru in GT3, so maybe in GT4 the physics would be a bit difficult.

Second, I would use a Levin or 4WD car for my Drift/Grip car.

Why a Levin you ask? Well, Its not that I prefer a Levin of Trueno, theres no difference in performance after all, but just slapping on a Turbo and Grip/Drifting the corners is just fun. also I can keep same settings and still Grip/Drift, I just force the Drift part. -.O
 
althought i haven't really record down my time, but i tried this testing for GT2 and GT3 and GT4


but i like to set my car with a tendecy of little oversteer, instead of a balance setting.
especially for low hp car, i want to keep the wheel spinning to keep the rpm higher, since once it drops, it takes a long time to build up the rpm

but for course like Costa Di Almafi, i think drift through the corner should be faster than grip
 
That rally racer shoulda started much later... I think he got a bad pace note from his co driver... woulda been much faster to rotate the car later...
 
Depends, a rally has so many variables that affect the proper line a car should take into a turn and he may have felt mroe confident in controllng the car by starting the the drift there. Then again, this is Gigi Galli who's only on his second year as a WRC driver for reborn Mitsu and is only the #3 driver behind Giles Pannizi and Harri Rovanpera. If this were someone like Petter Solberg or Sebastian Loeb, we'd have probably seen a better drift line.
 
That rally turn was nice, but it even could've been a handbrake turn.

Too much time was lost sliding sideways...good for show, but not for the fastest time..
 
The steering rack and pinion in an Evo gives little turning radius. Judging from the width of the road, he wouldn't have been able to hit that turn fast enough if he had to slow down on one side of the turn to setup to hit the apex.

Plus, the ground looked a little dusty and when road conditions call for it, drifting would have been faster. Try gripping wet Tsukuba versus drift and see how well you'd do. Haven't you guys noticed how WRX drivers would drift some turns? The nature of the road called for it and in the vid, it looked like the ground had sleet or dirt or water or sumpin', right?



I just noticed, look at the vid and see where the wheels start spinning. What do you see? Looks like Gigi starts accelerating when the tires come over the dirt meaning more wheelspin and less grip.
 
Look, most people agree: Doing OMGZ HUEG DRIFTS will not help you if you're drifting against a grip racer. However, sliding the rear of the car out SLIGHTLY offers plenty of help in tight corners. Grip is, on the overall, far better. But I'd say that grip and drift compliment each other.
 
I've already seen this footage a while ago. That's what I call a Near-Miss. Look how he stalls all four wheels when he's going over 90°, almost backwards. That's not the normal way to go around a hairpin, nor is it fast.
 
Grip will ALWAYS be faster than drift on tarmac, and will save tires as well. please stop spreading myths. Galli did that to show off for the crowd, and rally drivers 'drift' because they don't run on tarmac 90% of the time.
 
It really depends on the driver. If your drifting when you cant do it properly by making the angle too narrow or too wide; ofcourse grip is gonna be faster. If you cant grip correctly and make alot of unnecessary breaks, acceleration and steering; ofcourse drifting will be faster. Alot depends on the car also and what its best designed for (and the performance). An example would be F1 car trying to grip race vs F1 car trying to drift (lol). Also, FF car TRYING to drift vs. FF car Grip racing is like difference between **** and gold.
In usual cases, grip is faster if you cant drift. It depends on the angle of the turns too. if its a hairpin; id bet my money on drifting. If its high speed curve; id bet my money on grip racing.

Coasta Di Amalfi is my home course for drifting because, its a real good practice stage since it requires 100% concentration when drifting vs. Trial Mountains where it only requires 60% for me (You'll see why). Also, I tend to get better record when I drift than when I grip, I think its because I tackle corners alot faster when i slide my rear and force my car to turn corners at higher speeds. There are two sharp hairpins towards the end of coasta di amalfi course, when i grip; im forced to slow down to atleast 30 mph and then turn the hairpin at lower speeds and then accelerate out hard. when i drift; Im forced to slow down to atleast 30 mph also, but i turn out the hairpin at 30+ mph.

ALOT of ppl say drifting is only for show but thats not true. Wide 90 degree drifting is for show, race drifting vary from 10 to 50 degrees (or even more if your changing angles in fast pace). You're probably having fun since there are so many replies to your post, but sometimes its best to you make your own conclusions and test out your theory by yourself.
 
In order to get the fastest lap, on any course you have to have both Grip and Drift techniques..





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I would never use drifting while I'm racing. Too much percentage of error (slowing down/spinning out) when I'm going for full speed.
 
I think in a lap time race, no drifting lap could beat my grip lap in GT4, except on tskabar wet or rally.

This all depends on what you call drifting. I recently drove a combo that required you to slide the car around some corners, though it wasnt opposite lock stuff. Countsteer drifting isnt the fastest way around any corner on tarmac.

Around costa di amifia i doubt drifting would be faster than grip in any corners.

Im always up for a challenge though, ive been wanting to race a drift lap, with grip to see whats faster.
 
SpeedD3mon
It really depends on the driver. If your drifting when you cant do it properly by making the angle too narrow or too wide; ofcourse grip is gonna be faster. If you cant grip correctly and make alot of unnecessary breaks, acceleration and steering; ofcourse drifting will be faster. Alot depends on the car also and what its best designed for (and the performance). An example would be F1 car trying to grip race vs F1 car trying to drift (lol). Also, FF car TRYING to drift vs. FF car Grip racing is like difference between **** and gold.
In usual cases, grip is faster if you cant drift. It depends on the angle of the turns too. if its a hairpin; id bet my money on drifting. If its high speed curve; id bet my money on grip racing.

Coasta Di Amalfi is my home course for drifting because, its a real good practice stage since it requires 100% concentration when drifting vs. Trial Mountains where it only requires 60% for me (You'll see why). Also, I tend to get better record when I drift than when I grip, I think its because I tackle corners alot faster when i slide my rear and force my car to turn corners at higher speeds. There are two sharp hairpins towards the end of coasta di amalfi course, when i grip; im forced to slow down to atleast 30 mph and then turn the hairpin at lower speeds and then accelerate out hard. when i drift; Im forced to slow down to atleast 30 mph also, but i turn out the hairpin at 30+ mph.

ALOT of ppl say drifting is only for show but thats not true. Wide 90 degree drifting is for show, race drifting vary from 10 to 50 degrees (or even more if your changing angles in fast pace). You're probably having fun since there are so many replies to your post, but sometimes its best to you make your own conclusions and test out your theory by yourself.
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Do you mind to post some vids or at least some times?
 
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