Cote di Amalfi downhill/uphill

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skicrush
I would tend to THINK counter clockwise would be fastest, since the initial tight hairpins are so tight, and you're not going too fast anyway because they are so short, and thus you have to brake less. Plus, gravity helps after each bend on the last hairpins (the ones with the jumps in between)--with longer straights in between each turn, I would think gravity's help would help you make better times--faster on each little straight between each hairpin.

Having said that, I am fastest clockwise as well. And I don't have an explanation for that. Maybe because you can carry more speed through the back "straight" through the undulating downhill section.
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Oh buddy, that's where you are wrong...we are talking about lap times here, in another word, hot-laps. You actually carry a LOT of speed going to the tight hairpin because of the long straight before the start. I have to break, with N2 tires, at least 30-50 meters away, using threshold. Yes, gravity helps, and it kills. After each hair-pin, there is aways another one after. Because you have more speed, you have to brake earlier, and the straight line in-between is so short, so the times are not going to be that furthur apart.
 
NSX-R
...btw, Tony, do you use feint to enter a corner? Then grip the other half? I tried once in Reverse after the W-I-D-E coner when I met my first hairpin.WOW, that was scary...
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Well, I simply try to use the e-brake when entering the corner... It sounds really stupid (for some) but it's really effective! Especially with low-hp fr-driven cars (my favourites). I almost never use feint since there is too little space for my agressive driving style... Most of the time I just let all the technical terms and thoughts go and drive on what I think is the best line at that moment.

I even have set-up a BMW 120i with a 250hp turbo, N3 front tyres and N2 rear tyres especially for drifting tarmac rallies. That's a really good car! Out of balance as some may say but I've won a lot of races with this baby! 👍
 
You do know that GT4 has unrealistic hand-brake right?
 
JParker
You know ving, you again left yourself wiiiiide open with this one.
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so much sexual inuendo sir!!! :scared:

was posted that way on purpose you know;)

I of course dont go both ways, but my hats off to those that do. they have twice as many choices when they go to a night club to pick up :D
 
Sick, man...Why do you have to mention that for...:-@
 
Emohawk
I don't, the search function doesn't. Tell me about it.
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I'm guessing he's talking about when one has ASM/TCS on. At any setting above 1 it'll lock down the entire car and bring one to a unexpected stop versus just locking up the rear tires as would happen IRL. Granted ofcourse you have to give more than just a slight tap to inflict the worst handbraking application I've ever seen. It was nicely done in GT2 & 3, don't know why it was changed here. Maybe to make it more of any actual emergency brake rather than a handbrake.
 
Yup, the handbrake isn't as good as in GT2 IMHO. I did some mad ff-drifting in GT2, but when I try it now it just don't work! It's only good for making the rear wheels spin in an fr/mr/4wd-driven car.
I hate to drive all ff-driven cars in a grip run to make a fast time >_< In GT2 ff-drifting could be used to set fast lap times (like on Autum Ring or Seattle Short Cicruit)
 
I sometimes take cars there to test. It provides a good tester of understeer and braking balance.

If the said car cant get near 2min, it usually gets chucked into the back of the garage, never to be used again. Its pretty easy to get near 2mins with something as small as a clio.
 
To me, the hand-brake in GT4 is somehow "slow" to me. For example, without aids, I pull the hand brake on the test track when I am going 250 km/h, and steer really hard. For about 1 second, NOTHING happens, well, if you don't count tire squealing... and finally, the rear tire slowly swings out, then it sped up half way through. I don't know why, it's kinda...weird...can't explain it.
 
Mike Rotch
If the said car cant get near 2min, it usually gets chucked into the back of the garage, never to be used again. Its pretty easy to get near 2mins with something as small as a clio.
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You meant with S2 and aids, as in completely stock?
 
NSX-R
Oh buddy, that's where you are wrong...we are talking about lap times here, in another word, hot-laps. You actually carry a LOT of speed going to the tight hairpin because of the long straight before the start. I have to break, with N2 tires, at least 30-50 meters away, using threshold. Yes, gravity helps, and it kills. After each hair-pin, there is aways another one after. Because you have more speed, you have to brake earlier, and the straight line in-between is so short, so the times are not going to be that furthur apart.
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I guess that was what I was saying--the cumulative effect of the little things was greater than the obvious (but less than expected) effects. I need to make some cashola, er, I mean analyze my splits and see where the differences are. If I get some time, that is.
 
Possibly the handbrake is pretty unrealistic, but to me it sounds like the problem is in your technique. Try turning first before yanking the handbrake.
If you're just going in a straight line there isn't any lateral stress on the tires and the handbrake will just slow you down, you have to wait for the car to turn a little before it starts sliding. If you're already experiencing lateral Gs, dumping rear traction with the handbrake should have a more immidite effect.
Also, there's aerodynamic stability to take into effect, at 250 km/h your car will want to go in a straight line.
 
Anyway, I don't think I have no right to say whether the hand-brake is bad or not, I haven't seen anyone pull handbrake... Well, one's sense can be wrong...
 
skicrush
I guess that was what I was saying--the cumulative effect of the little things was greater than the obvious (but less than expected) effects. I need to make some cashola, er, I mean analyze my splits and see where the differences are. If I get some time, that is.
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That's a great idea! I will probably try that!
 
You guys handbrake around the hairpins at Costa di Amalfi or am I reading this wrong? :odd:
 
NSX-R
Anyway, I don't think I have no right to say whether the hand-brake is bad or not, I haven't seen anyone pull handbrake... Well, one's sense can be wrong...
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I've beat my civic wagon into submission coming home from work with the handbrake (rainy nights only, trying to somewhat save the tires). And I'll tell you, once enough braking force is applied to free the rears of traction, the car rotates with ease and predictability. Beyond that, I've stopped using the handbrake on GT4, short of some of the tighter turns in gravel, very rarely on snow, to much rotation on snow.
 
Hmm, I only use the e-brake to let the rear wheels spin so I can get a good angle...
With ff-driven cars I since today use left-foot braking in fast corners and and the e-brake in tight corners... It works well with my 'Initial D tuned EG6' (ka-boom!)... That sounds lame, but it works! :dopey:
 
ZeratulSG
You guys handbrake around the hairpins at Costa di Amalfi or am I reading this wrong? :odd:
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Some people perfer hand brake and some don't. For me, handbrake is too unpredictable in GT4... I don't even use those in the last 2 hairpins.
 
Toni Babelony
Hmm, I only use the e-brake to let the rear wheels spin so I can get a good angle...
With ff-driven cars I since today use left-foot braking in fast corners and and the e-brake in tight corners... It works well with my 'Initial D tuned EG6' (ka-boom!)... That sounds lame, but it works! :dopey:
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Piece of advise: Don't try that on a Rear wheel drive. Without TCS, the acceleration is horrible after handbraking...
 
NSX-R
Piece of advise: Don't try that on a Rear wheel drive. Without TCS, the acceleration is horrible after handbraking...
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True... But, after a bit of practicing with several fr-driven cars in grip and drift runs on Costa di Almafi I figured some are better for grip or drift runs...
For example: Use the BWM 2002 turbo for drift runs since it's very light-weight and has a laggy turbo wich kicks in during drifts and so maintaining is easier. I also like the MX-5 '89 for drift runs (another light weight).
For grip runs I use more faster cars with more weight. The Lotus Esprit V8 is one of the best cars to drive on the course IMHO. :) Even without any tuning it's a dream to drive!

P.s. I never use aids in GT4 unless it's a high-speed or a very long (read: boring) race. Aids are evil...
 
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