Could a Veyron lap faster than a 2006 F1 car round "an average" oval?

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No one said it was fair, it was a topic of debate, could a Veyron beat an F1 on a typical oval, I'm leaning towards a rather big no right now. I have read that in theory it could win around Talledega, but I'm guessing that that theory had the F1 car setup for a road track, probably not even Monza.
 
live4speed
If the Veyron is pointless, so is the Z06, both go over the speed limit and neither offers as much space as a hatchback. I can't think of a more appropriate term for the Veyron than to call it a status car. Also, unlike the Nike shoe, the Veyron does many things better than it's rivals, it's faster, it can corner like stink according to all the reviews I've read and seen on TV, it's got more luxury and comfort than anything else in it's class, oh wait, there is nothing else in it's class, everything else is below it. It's a technological masterpiece.
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ZO6 = 70 grand
Veyron = 1 million

What's more pointless? But really you can't compare the two.

But for a million dollar car it should do more then it does. Like someone said a S7 does it about the same and is much cheaper.
 
Now I could read the whole thread, and maybe I should, but for nwo, I can't be arsed...

In my world, the answer is a very simply no.. The Veyron would NEVER lap anything faster than an F1.. based solely on two things.. Weight and Downforce.. The F1 weighs 1/3 of the Veyron and produces twice the downforce. No way EVER will the Veyron match that. Not even if they DO build a "race" version....
 
BlazinXtreme
ZO6 = 70 grand
Veyron = 1 million

What's more pointless? But really you can't compare the two.

But for a million dollar car it should do more then it does. Like someone said a S7 does it about the same and is much cheaper.
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And bugatti compared a saleen S7 TT to show how much faster the veyron was and put things into perspective.

Have you seen the top gear video with the veryon in it. Jeremy couldnt stop talking about the veyron and praising it. That says it all.

No other car can be driven everyday in comfort. do 9 sec 1/4miles and still be the fastest car in the world all at the same time and still be road legal.



I mean its ironic that a person who drives a 2wd suv thats been lowered thinks the veyron is a pointless car :lol:
 
BlazinXtreme
Seriously if I say someone driving a Veyron I would think they are a complete moron. Once again, they are like Nike shoes.
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That's great. But you said:

BlazinXtreme
a Bugatti is not a status car...
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How can a Bugatti not be a "status car" when the current one costs a million dollars to buy and a previous model is the most expensive car ever sold, with examples (of which there are 7 - 6 originals and an "authentic copy") changing hands for ten times that.

How do those price tags NOT equal "status"?
 
How hypocritical of me, but keep the off topic posts somewhere else please people. More than 10 off-topic posts in a thread with only 34 posts (and 3 of those are mine).
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
and you drive?
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I dont have my own car at the moment but I drive a 2.0litre, 130hp, 40mpg, 4 door saloon.

I think this new veyron would beat a F1 car around a oval with ease.
 
Applying that logic, Blazin - or any of us - can't "slag" the Veyron.


Though it's not terribly good logic...
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
:lol: then you cant slag him
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:rolleyes:

And what do you sir drive? I dont know if your laughing at the economical car I drive or the fact that I dont have a car at the moment, but a 2.0T VAG will soon be sitting infront of my house.

Lets not forget his car cant even do 100MPH and has a 4.6l engine that I dont even think makes 200hp.
 
I think it's a silly argument anyway.. a Veyron and a Formula One car will never be seen on the same track together. It's completely hypothetical. And that is pointless.

A much better question would be how the Veyron fares on a track against other production cars. Including the almightly S7 and Z06.
 
How can you mention the Z06 in the same sentence as the twice as powerful, veyron?

The Z06 has enough trouble outrunning cars that have 120hp less than it.
 
Honestly guys. Keep it on topic, please. I'm asking really, really nicely and you're ignoring me.
 
I don't really think theres anything more to say if an F1 car can do this and keep within F1 regulations.
daan
The F1 record at Monza is 229mph. They'll be able to run less wing at a super speedway, so 240 average lap should be attainable (Honda have achieved 265mph with their speed record car which still conforms to the 2005 F1 regulations). The Veyron can do 253mph but it won't be able to corner at that speed.
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Poverty
:rolleyes:

And what do you sir drive? I dont know if your laughing at the economical car I drive or the fact that I dont have a car at the moment, but a 2.0T VAG will soon be sitting infront of my house.

Lets not forget his car cant even do 100MPH and has a 4.6l engine that I dont even think makes 200hp.
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dont worry im heavily involve in several VAG car clubs i know alot about the 2.0t fsi and there u got again compareing to completely different cars :lol: his car was never built to do 100mph it was built to go off road.
 
Pity it's only 2WD and has half a micron ground clearance, really...

Anyway, as amp88 says, back onto the topic now. Though seeing as daan already blew the topic away there really isn't much life left in it...
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
dont worry im heavily involve in several VAG car clubs i know alot about the 2.0t fsi and there u got again compareing to completely different cars :lol: his car was never built to do 100mph it was built to go off road.
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Which is the irony of the whole thing :rolleyes: :ouch:

I think you need to have a read through off all the comments again.
 
I still believe the Z06 came with in 2 seconds of the Veyron around the Ring (something you guys all think means something). Which is pathetic for a million dollar car, with double the HP and torque output, not to mention double the cylinders.

But the CCR was faster, the Zonda was faster, and the Carrera GT was faster. All cheaper then the Veyron. I'm sorry but Bugatti sucks at trying to make something that is fast. Top speed means nothing in the scheme of things, it's all about getting the power to the ground and being able to turn the thing.

Also Poverty, just drop it man, for Christ sakes. You are pretty much being a b****** to people for no reason. So what if my opinion differs then yours, so what if I drive a Blazer, for Christ sakes just lay off.

Lets not forget his car cant even do 100MPH and has a 4.6l engine that I dont even think makes 200hp.
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4.3L V6 making 190hp. But once again a Blazer isn't a race car.
 
From what I've read, the Veyron achieved 253mph at a distance of 1,850ft (just from what I've read at numerous forums). That's about eh... a fith of a mile (more or less). This isn't slow. This is pretty decent, and the Veyron is plenty capable of reaching 253mph or more (lets not forget it was electronicly limited).

But I think track selection definitely plays a huge factor. I'm uncertain if the Veyron would be able to break, accelerate, and handle efficiently enough to pass the F1 race car (something about the tires on the Veyron makes me doubtful), which I think would have a pretty constant rate of speed that would give the Veyron a run for the money.
 
FAOLIU05
From what I've read, the Veyron achieved 253mph at a distance of 1,850ft (just from what I've read at numerous forums). That's about eh... a fith of a mile (more or less). This isn't slow.
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Are you saying the Veyron takes just 1,850 feet to accelerate from a standing start to 253mph? That the Veyron could finish a quarter mile at 200+mph? If so, I can tell you right now that's false. From the Wiki Article, the 0-200mph time is quoted as 22 seconds. I've read elsewhere that the 0-253mph time is "under a minute", but I don't have an exact figure.

Anyway, if you covered 1850 feet in 22 seconds your average speed would be about 57mph, so there's no way the Veyron could accelerate to anywhere near 253mph in 1850 feet. It had to do its top speed runs at the Ehra-Leissen test track, with a several mile long straight.

What I think you've confused is the stopping distance? The Veyron can stop from its top speed in roughly a third of a mile (which is approx 1850 feet).
 
D'oh! Yeah... you're right. Screw it then. I'm giving it to the F1 car. I tried though...









CRASH AND BURN!!!!
 
FAOLIU05
the Veyron achieved 253mph at a distance of 1,850ft...That's about eh... a fith of a mile (more or less).
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More, actually. That's 35% of a mile (over 1/3).
 
BlazinXtreme
I still believe the Z06 came with in 2 seconds of the Veyron around the Ring (something you guys all think means something). Which is pathetic for a million dollar car, with double the HP and torque output, not to mention double the cylinders.

But the CCR was faster, the Zonda was faster, and the Carrera GT was faster. All cheaper then the Veyron. I'm sorry but Bugatti sucks at trying to make something that is fast. Top speed means nothing in the scheme of things, it's all about getting the power to the ground and being able to turn the thing.
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And a Radical SR8 with less than 400bhp will obliterate all of the above around any sort of proper circuit, for less money (except for possibly the Z06 in terms of cost). Different cars are made to serve different purposes. Slagging the Veyron for almost losing to a Z06 is pointless; the Z06 is a lightweight circuit car, while the Veyron is a heavy grand tourer.
 
I'm not even sure the the SR8 looks like or even is, I was just going by thing that I could think of and knew what they were.

But really the Z06 has half the horsepower and torque. The Veyron should slaughter it with sheer power. Plus if its a technological marvel it should be able to walk all over it as well.

Also what is slagging? I've never heard of the term. I assume its bashing it.
 
But this isn't off topic, it has to do with the Veyron and what it can and can't not out run. But really you could figure all of this off by doing a little math and some physics.
 
BlazinXtreme
But this isn't off topic, it has to do with the Veyron and what it can and can't not out run. But really you could figure all of this off by doing a little math and some physics.
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The topic is "Veyron vs F1 Car", not "is the Veyron pointless", "Z06 vs Veyron", "SR8 vs Veyron" or anything else.

I firmly believe it's already been proven that there's no comparison, the Veyron just can't keep enough speed in corners and can't accelerate to 200mph (and beyond) quickly enough to even be close to the F1 car. Any corner the Veyron can take at 125mph, the F1 car could do at 200mph. Anything the Veyron could take at 150mph, the F1 car could take flat out (probably 210-220 for a 2006 car with a Monza setup, but at 230/240 with some more major setup changes). The Veyron is a very, very quick road car, there's no doubt about it, but its (lack of) speed in the corners and poor high speed acceleration put the nail in its coffin (as far as I'm concerned).

I have been doing maths and physics, both in this thread and the original thread, so I'm convinced the evidence is on my side.

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