COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Our government is 6 months late with the mandate. Probably would have saved us the massive spike that started 2 months ago, as they asked us to please start wearing masks, a lot of people listened to the pleas and the numbers halved within 3 weeks.

But they still think that wearing a mask goes against the freedom of religion...
 
It's kind of weird, where I am we now no longer have to wear a mask when outdoors yet the majority of people still are. Not sure if it's just forgetfulness or deliberate on people's behalf. I know personally I still do sometimes purely through habit or when coming out a shop.

Indoors it's still mandated though and it's very rare to see someone not wearing one.
I only put mine on when in go indoors. Only time I'm around other people is hanging with friends in the canyons on the weekends and we generally keep our distance.
 
Reporting from Mexico guys...

Yeah, It's not looking good. The President is an idiot, The Subsecretary for Health is also an idiot. The contingency measures are bland. Lots of people don't respect social distancing anymore. And many people that use the facemask don't use it correctly. Mexico is basically the blueprint for how NOT to battle the pandemic.:indiff:

Currently, Mexico's average positivity is 45% :indiff:

https://www.milenio.com/politica/positividad-covid-19-mexico-aumento-45-ciento-ssa

Life is gonna get very, veeery though in a few weeks, I believe.
 
Apparently some family members of mine had Covid a few weeks ago and are still coughing but mostly doing fine. The symptoms they had seem like a common cold but worse and lasting much longer, which makes sense. A pilot buddy of mine also got it a month or so ago and only suffered fever and fatigue for a couple days but still has smell and taste problems several weeks later.
 
For a country that makes such a fuss about the division between church and state, American government is profoundly religious.
True. The country was peopled and largely founded by aberrant religious fugitives in rebellion against a legitimate king and state religion. Our founding documents, oaths and pledges of allegiance, coinage and currency are peppered with references to and symbolic images of God - the disembodied all-seeing eye floating above the truncated pyramid.
 
Disheartening article from the NYTimes highlighting the issue hospitals are once again facing. Posting the full article.
In excruciating pain with lesions on her face and scalp, Tracey Fine lay for 13 hours on a gurney in an emergency room hallway.

All around her, Covid-19 patients filled the beds of the hospital in Madison, Wis. Her nurse was so harried that she could not remember Ms. Fine’s condition, and the staff was slow to bring her pain medicine or food.

In a small rural hospital in Missouri, Shain Zundel’s severe headache turned out to be a brain abscess. His condition would typically have required an operation within a few hours, but he was forced to wait a day while doctors struggled to find a neurosurgeon and a bed — finally at a hospital 375 miles away in Iowa.

From New Mexico to Minnesota to Florida, hospitals are teeming with record numbers of Covid patients. Staff members at smaller hospitals have had to beg larger medical centers repeatedly to take one more, just one more patient, but many of the bigger hospitals have sharply limited the transfers they will accept, their own halls and wards overflowing.

In the spring, the pandemic was concentrated mainly in hard-hit regions like New York, which offered lessons to hospitals in other states anticipating the spread of the coronavirus. Despite months of planning, though, many of the nation’s hospital systems are now slammed with a staggering swell of patients, no available beds and widening shortages of nurses and doctors. On any single day, some hospitals have had to turn away transfer requests for patients needing urgent care or incoming emergencies.

And rising infection rates among nurses and other frontline workers have doubled the patient load on those left standing.

There is no end in sight for the nation’s hospitals as the pandemic continues to hammer cities and rural areas across the country, totaling 13 million cases so far this year. And public health experts warn that the holidays may speed the already fast-moving pace of infection, driving the demand for hospital beds and medical care ever higher.

A record number of Americans — 90,000 — are now hospitalized with Covid, and new cases of infection had been climbing to nearly 200,000 daily.

Health care systems “are verging on the edge of breaking,” Dr. Michael Osterholm, a member of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s Covid-19 advisory council, said in a podcast this month.

The public does not realize how dire the situation is, Dr. Osterholm said, and may respond only “when people are dying, sitting in chairs in waiting rooms in emergency rooms for 10 hours to get a bed, and they can’t find one, and then they die.”

When Ms. Fine went to UW Health’s University Hospital in Madison, she found doctors there overwhelmed and distracted. “They just parked me in a hallway because there was no place for me to go,” said Ms. Fine, 61, who was eventually found to have a severe bout of shingles that threatened her eyes.

She had missed her annual checkup or a shingles vaccination because of the pandemic.

Admitted to a makeshift room with curtains separating the beds, Ms. Fine watched the chaos around her. A nurse did not know who she was, asking if she had trouble walking or heard whooshing in her ears. She “was just completely frazzled,” Ms. Fine recalled, though she added that staff members were “kind and caring and did their best under horrifying conditions.”

Workers at the hospital issued a plea last Sunday, published as a two-page ad in The Wisconsin State Journal, asking state residents to help prevent further spread of the virus.

“Without immediate change, our hospitals will be too full to treat all of those with the virus and those with other illnesses or injuries,” they warned. “Soon you or someone you love may need us, but we won’t be able to provide the lifesaving care you need, whether for Covid-19, cancer, heart disease or other urgent conditions. As health care providers, we are terrified of that becoming reality.”

UW Health declined to comment directly on Ms. Fine’s experience, but acknowledged the strains the pandemic has imposed. While patients were sometimes boarded in the emergency room even before the new coronavirus surge, occupancy is now “super high,” said Dr. Jeff Pothof, the group’s chief quality officer.

UW Health is “starting to do things it hasn’t done before,” he said, including enlisting primary care and family doctors to work in the hospital treating seriously ill patients. “It works, but it’s not great,” he said.

Hospitals in St. Louis have been particularly hard-hit in recent weeks, said Dr. Alexander Garza, the chief community health officer for SSM Health, a Catholic hospital group, who also serves as the head of the area task force on the virus. Over the last month, SSM Health turned away about 50 patients that it could not immediately care for.

And nurses — already one of the groups most vulnerable to infection — are adding more and more hours to their shifts.

Hospitals are reassigning nurses to adult intensive care units from pediatric ones, doubling up patients in a single room, and asking nurses, who typically care for two critically ill patients at a time, to cover three or more, he said.

“If you’re not able to dedicate as much time and resources to them, obviously they’re not getting optimal care,” Dr. Garza said.

Consuelo Vargas, an emergency room nurse in Chicago, says patients linger for days in emergency rooms because I.C.U.s are full. The nursing shortage has a cascading effect. It “leads to an increase in patient falls, this leads to bedsores, this leads to delays in patient care,” she said.

news conference held by National Nurses United, a union, Ms. Vargas said there was still not enough protective equipment like N95 masks, forcing her to buy her own.

Some hospitals have joined in sounding the alarm: Supplies of testing kits, masks and gloves are running low.

The country never quite caught up from the earlier shortages, Dr. Osterholm said. “We’re just going to run into a wall in terms of P.P.E.,” he said.

Even if hospitals in some cities appear to have enough physical space, or can quickly build new units or set up field hospitals, staff shortages offset any benefit of expansion.

“Beds don’t take care of people; people take care of people,” said Dr. Marc Harrison, the chief executive of Intermountain Healthcare, a sprawling system of hospitals and clinics based in Salt Lake City.

At any given time in recent weeks, a quarter of Intermountain’s nurses were out — sick, quarantining or taking care of a family member felled by the virus. Nursing students have been granted temporary licenses by the state to fill gaps, and the hospital system is scrambling to latch onto travel nurses who are in high demand across many states and expensive to hire.

To relieve pressure on its big hospitals, Intermountain is keeping more patients at its smaller centers, monitored virtually by specialists at the larger hospitals who consult with the local doctors via remote links.

Smaller hospitals are under significant stress. “We don’t have intensive care units,” said Tony Keene, the chief executive of Sullivan County Memorial Hospital, a rural hospital licensed for 25 beds in Milan, Mo. “We don’t perform surgeries or anything like that here. When we have Covid cases, it very much taxes our ability.”

His tiny hospital usually has no more than a half-dozen patients on a busy day, but may now treat twice that number. About a fourth of the hospital’s 100 employees, including Mr. Keene, have come down with the virus since March.

“It is sometimes a daily and hourly struggle to make sure we have adequate staff in the hospital,” he said. The hospital’s nurses, who typically work three 12-hour shifts a week, are taking as many as five or six shifts each week.

“We’re out here by ourselves,” Mr. Keene said. “We don’t have a larger system pumping money into us or something like that.” The hospital used federal Covid aid to invest in medical gas lines so patients could be given oxygen.

The sickest patients still must be transferred, but the larger hospital 35 miles away is awash in its own heavy volume of Covid patients and is reducing staff levels.

Even when hospitals in a community are talking weekly, if not daily, to discuss how to handle the overall spikes in admissions, few have room to spare in areas where numbers keep climbing. Many have reduced or even stopped providing elective surgeries and procedures.

“We’re all concerned about the surges we’re seeing now,” said Nancy Foster, vice president of quality and patient safety policy for the American Hospital Association. Patients who need special medical attention normally can be sent to a nearby urban area, but “many times those referral centers are full or nearly full,” she said.

Mr. Zundel’s case was a matter of life or death. He had a debilitating headache and “was not able to function at all,” he said. A larger hospital nearby was inundated with patients, so his wife, Tessa, took him to a small hospital in rural Missouri to be seen quickly. The doctors there recognized that he had a brain abscess, but could not immediately find a medical center to treat him.

“He was dying,” his wife said. Some hospitals had beds, but no available neurosurgeon. Staff members spent a full day trying to find somewhere he could get an operation.

“They just worked the phone until they found a solution,” she said. “They didn’t give up.”

Mr. Zundel, 48, was finally flown to the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics, where Dr. Matthew Howard, a neurosurgeon, performed an operation.

But Iowa is also turning away patients, Dr. Howard said. “Early in the crisis, we were being hammered by limitations in P.P.E. Now, the problem is the beds are full,” he said.

Dr. Dixie Harris, a critical care specialist at Intermountain, had volunteered in New York City during the height of the pandemic last spring. Doctors are now better able to treat the virus and predict the course of the disease, she said.

But they are also stretched very thin, caring for Covid patients in addition to their regular patients. “Almost nobody has had a real vacation,” she said. “People are really tired.”

And readmissions or the lingering health problems of Covid “long haulers” have compounded the intensified regimen for medical care. “Not only are we seeing the tsunami coming, we have that back wave coming,” Dr. Harris said.

Some health care workers say they feel abandoned. “Nurses have been crying out for months and months that this has been a problem, and we really have not gotten rescued,” said Leslie McKamey, a nurse in Bismarck, N.D., and a member of National Nurses United.

“We’re working overtime. We’re working several different jobs,” she said. “We’re really feeling the strain of it.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/27/health/covid-hospitals-overload.html

I've given up even attempting to read, listen, or understand the skeptics. This should be proof enough to disperse those idiotic, "Covid's not killing them, they're dying of cancer/disease/etc." claims. Aight, so what could possibly be causing such an increase in deaths & ICU-usage that hospitals are overwhelmed? "Well, hospitals are always close to 70-80% filled, that's how they make money". Nah, that's not excusing hospitals literally turning people away & transferring them out of states for care. "Something" is causing hospitals nationwide to do this.

Hmm... if only there were people... maybe scientists, health care researchers even... that could tell us. Oh well, guess we'll surely never know since it's "not Covid" 'cause that's just a flu. :rolleyes:
 
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I really think there should be a mask mandate until this is sorted out, people have started acting like everything has gone back to normal already. :rolleyes:

some people probably thought that wearing masks will mostly stop the cases from rising, only to be find out they were wrong.
 
My parents tested positive today. My dad had been deer hunting and a guy he knew decided to come up to talk to him (he was out there alone) and had active COVID. My dad talked to him for maybe 10-15 minutes before he left, but that was long enough for him to get it and then pass it on to my mom.

I'm really worried since my dad is in the prime demographic to have major complications from the disease. My mom is fairly healthy though. The good news is my dad has felt like crap since Wednesday (when he got the test) and doesn't have a fever or anything like that. Just aches and a cough.

I'm so mad at that guy that came to talk to him. How stupid do you have to be to have tested positive, then just go do whatever you want? Apparently, he gave COVID to another one of my dad's friends too, who's really not in good health. I just wish there was something I could do legally, but I know it'd be hard to prove it.
 
My parents tested positive today. My dad had been deer hunting and a guy he knew decided to come up to talk to him (he was out there alone) and had active COVID. My dad talked to him for maybe 10-15 minutes before he left, but that was long enough for him to get it and then pass it on to my mom.

I'm really worried since my dad is in the prime demographic to have major complications from the disease. My mom is fairly healthy though. The good news is my dad has felt like crap since Wednesday (when he got the test) and doesn't have a fever or anything like that. Just aches and a cough.

I'm so mad at that guy that came to talk to him. How stupid do you have to be to have tested positive, then just go do whatever you want? Apparently, he gave COVID to another one of my dad's friends too, who's really not in good health. I just wish there was something I could do legally, but I know it'd be hard to prove it.
Reminds me of how my aunt and uncle got the disease, from a congregant who knowingly attended the same synagogue that they were at while infected (and showing symptoms) with COVID. I guess it's possible that you can file reckless endangerment, but it's also possible to use the defense that they got infected from elsewhere.
 
My parents tested positive today. My dad had been deer hunting and a guy he knew decided to come up to talk to him (he was out there alone) and had active COVID. My dad talked to him for maybe 10-15 minutes before he left, but that was long enough for him to get it and then pass it on to my mom.

I'm really worried since my dad is in the prime demographic to have major complications from the disease. My mom is fairly healthy though. The good news is my dad has felt like crap since Wednesday (when he got the test) and doesn't have a fever or anything like that. Just aches and a cough.

I'm so mad at that guy that came to talk to him. How stupid do you have to be to have tested positive, then just go do whatever you want? Apparently, he gave COVID to another one of my dad's friends too, who's really not in good health. I just wish there was something I could do legally, but I know it'd be hard to prove it.
Sorry to hear that, and I hope for the best for both of your parents.

As for the guy who passed it on, if he was knowingly positive but didn't bother to self-isolate or take any steps to avoid passing it on, then someone should let him know what the consequences of his actions were.
 
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Reportedly, the majority of the new infections are from shopping at large retailers.
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/11/29...ecent-coronavirus-spike-due-to-covid-fatigue/
 
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It's so frustrating to me that these big retailers, presumably with access to large capital reserves because they have been largely uninterrupted during the pandemic, have been so flat-footed when it comes to making their buildings safer. At best, I've seen occupancy controllers at the door and some token hand sanitizer (often empty). These buildings need aggressive ventilation strategies that I'm fairly certain the existing equipment can handle. Unless I'm missing something, I'm pretty sure many public buildings are using heavily recycled (return air) in their HVAC system. These buildings should be pulling close to 100% outside air (no matter the additional heating costs) and simply relieving to atmosphere. If that is not an option, we should be talking about UV sterilization in the return air pathway. Without some sort of broad guidance, most business managers probably have no clue that their buildings could be operating in a much safer way.
 
It's so frustrating to me that these big retailers, presumably with access to large capital reserves because they have been largely uninterrupted during the pandemic, have been so flat-footed when it comes to making their buildings safer. At best, I've seen occupancy controllers at the door and some token hand sanitizer (often empty). These buildings need aggressive ventilation strategies that I'm fairly certain the existing equipment can handle. Unless I'm missing something, I'm pretty sure many public buildings are using heavily recycled (return air) in their HVAC system. These buildings should be pulling close to 100% outside air (no matter the additional heating costs) and simply relieving to atmosphere. If that is not an option, we should be talking about UV sterilization in the return air pathway. Without some sort of broad guidance, most business managers probably have no clue that their buildings could be operating in a much safer way.
I don't know about that... After a AC unit went out, the store we were working at was having huge humidity issues. Condensation on display cases and store doors... The coolers and freezers were suffering from ice and condensation too. While they are very large systems they do a lot more already than people think. It took almost 3 weeks for the store to return to "normal" after the repair we did.
 
I don't know about that... After a AC unit went out, the store we were working at was having huge humidity issues. Condensation on display cases and store doors... The coolers and freezers were suffering from ice and condensation too. While they are very large systems they do a lot more already than people think. It took almost 3 weeks for the store to return to "normal" after the repair we did.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing. I'm assuming most big box stores use some form of VRF system

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..with the DOAS dumping some amount of outside air straight into the space or ducting it into the fan coils. Either way, there is probably a high degree of air recycling (at the fan coil units) for efficiency. Ideally (for sterlization), they would be pulling 100% outside air (from the DOAS) and then relieving (or even extracting it with fans, but that gets more complicated) all of it to atmosphere. If not, there should at least be some sort of sterilization (UV seems effective) at the fan coils. I wouldn't expect big box stores to filter air to anything higher than code minimum (like MERV 13), while hospital levels (like MERV 17-20) would probably help.
 
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Not sure we're talking about the same thing. I'm assuming most big box stores use some form of VRF system

VRF-DOAS-De-Coupled-System.png


..with the DOAS dumping some amount of outside air straight into the space or ducting it into the fan coils. Either way, there is probably a high degree of air recycling (at the fan coil units) for efficiency. Ideally (for sterlization), they would be pulling 100% outside air (from the DOAS) and then relieving (or even extracting it with fans, but that gets more complicated) all of it to atmosphere. If not, there should at least be some sort of sterilization (UV seems effective) at the fan coils. I wouldn't expect big box stores to filter air to anything higher than code minimum (like MERV 13), while hospital levels (like MERV 17-20) would probably help.
I think we might be on the same page.
I get what you are saying but my point is even at 100% the system is doing a lot already.
Considering the amount of time you already have the main doors of a huge department store chain opening and closing. I see allowing more outside air in a problem for the system overall. I know what you are saying can be done but I don't see retail stores willing to pay for such elaborate air purification systems.
 
I think we might be on the same page.
I get what you are saying but my point is even at 100% the system is doing a lot already.
Considering the amount of time you already have the main doors of a huge department store chain opening and closing. I see allowing more outside air in a problem for the system overall. I know what you are saying can be done but I don't see retail stores willing to pay for such elaborate air purification systems.

Thought I'd take a look at what ASHRAE recommends.

Evaluate recirculation or increasing outside air fraction from design levels up to 100% based on specific surge plan. Where surge plan has increased exhaust air quantities from spaces, increasing the amount of outside air conditioned by the air handler may be necessary to confirm balanced system airflows. Verify room pressures as appropriate. Consider that increasing outside air % may exceed system capacity seasonally and may not be possible without supplementing system capacity and increased energy usage. For systems that already have high levels of filtration (MERV 14 to MERV 16), recirculation can reduce contaminant levels comparably to increasing outside air %. See filter performance information here.

  • Protect equipment from freezing – water coils, DX
  • Watch for condensation or loss of humidity control
  • Consider relaxing temperature setpoints indoors
  • Consider future condition when weather becomes more extreme before surge has passed
  • Re-confirm ability to achieve desired room pressure differentials
  • Watch for operational stability of the fan(s) and adjust to achieve desired airflow
    • Adjust frequency on VFD or perform sheave change on belt driven fans.
    • Take care not to allow the fan motor power input to exceed its rated capacity.

So it seems like what we're both saying is true. Increasing outside air fraction is important...but it's not as easy as turning a knob. I have exactly zero first hand experience with HVAC systems, I only know theory. I'm also jaded by a climate (NorCal) that can easily accommodate 100%OA almost the entire year. :lol:

Another paper I saw suggested that increasing the air change rate from 4/hr to 10/hr reduced contamination (at a specific concentration) from 33% of the volume of the test room to 11%, which is a pretty big difference. Though, it mentioned that this was highly dependent on the actual locations of the supply & return diffusers.

I guess my broader point is...I wonder how many of these big box stores have implemented any guidance (with regard to building systems) to limit the virus spread.
 
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Reportedly, the majority of the new infections are from shopping at large retailers.
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/11/29...ecent-coronavirus-spike-due-to-covid-fatigue/
With me being from Adelaide where recently approximately 30 Covid-19 cases put over 5,000 people in quarantine and/or home isolation I'm at a loss as to how the contact tracing team in El Paso, which has over 37,000 cases in a smaller population, can have any idea whatsoever as to where the cases are now come from... that ship sailed a long, long time ago imho. Is it possible that 55% of people shop at these larger shops and that's the only common, and easiest denominator they're using?

I don't know how locked down it is in El Paso, or if it even is, but with that many cases wouldn't covid just be running rampant everywhere?

I ask these questions as an outsider trying to understand the terrible predicament over in the US.
 
With me being from Adelaide where recently approximately 30 Covid-19 cases put over 5,000 people in quarantine and/or home isolation I'm at a loss as to how the contact tracing team in El Paso, which has over 37,000 cases in a smaller population, can have any idea whatsoever as to where the cases are now come from... that ship sailed a long, long time ago imho. Is it possible that 55% of people shop at these larger shops and that's the only common, and easiest denominator they're using?

I don't know how locked down it is in El Paso, or if it even is, but with that many cases wouldn't covid just be running rampant everywhere?

I ask these questions as an outsider trying to understand the terrible predicament over in the US.

Everyone in charge in the US:

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but it's not as easy as turning a knob

Correct.

Many factors come into play including but not limited to.

Duct size.
Baffles.
Fan type.
Cooling/heating capacity.

It's an involved process, anything can be achieved but as @ryzno mentioned it's at a cost of which many premises won't take on.

Some systems may be designed to be changed easier than others but most will be designed to meet a specification and not much outside that.
 
I don't know how locked down it is in El Paso, or if it even is, but with that many cases wouldn't covid just be running rampant everywhere?
"Lock down" in Texas at its most extent was closing gyms & bars with 50% capacity for everyone else. However, that requirement was lifted a few months ago, so the answer to your question is... very.

In fact, the governor originally wanted to leave lock downs up to the individual counties b/c a "1 size does not fit all" argument was made (some counties weren't suffering like others, why should they shut down). However, the moment counties attempted to contain themselves, the governor stepped in and told them they're not allowed to do that. This guy set in an executive order with outlined penalties & got upset when counties adhered to them when punishing people. He has said now, no more lock downs at all (whilst the Gov. Mansion has been closed to tours for 5-6 months now for safety...). The most he will do now is if covid hospitalizations stay over 15% for 7 days straight (we're at 5 currently), is re-close bars & gyms with a 50% capacity restriction on retail again. It's quite a joke, b/c tons of bars re-arranged how they do business so they can clarify themselves as "restaurants" and remain open. The occupancy restrictions were based on building codes, so the former 75% capacity restrictions meant many businesses were still full. Returning to 50% will likely mean nothing b/c many places will ignore it.

Texas, sort of like Florida, has decided to just ride it out. There's a probability it could very well cost the governor during the next election.
 
Wow, this was a nice surprise to wake up to! It'll take a while before the majority of people get it but it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-authorises-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine

The government has today accepted the recommendation from the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to approve Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine for use. This follows months of rigorous clinical trials and a thorough analysis of the data by experts at the MHRA who have concluded that the vaccine has met its strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness.

The vaccine will be made available across the UK from next week
 
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Excellent news indeed, though it will be extremely challenging to get a vaccine (or vaccines) rolled out while also having to cope with the pandemic and the normal winter surge for the NHS.

I also hope that these vaccines can confer protection for a decent length of time, otherwise it could be a bit like painting the Forth Bridge - it takes so long to paint the bridge that by the time they've painted the whole thing, it's time to start painting it again. I guess this is probably to be expected - two or maybe even more shots (well, pairs of shots) every year, which should be OK.

Of course, there is still room for caution - when this and other vaccines are rolled out, they will still be effectively in trial mode - i.e. if there is too many adverse reactions to it, the vaccine will be pulled. There's also the small matter of what happens if or when new strains of the virus emerge that the vaccines are not effective against, but new strains of vaccine should be available for those too.

What is staggering is just how quickly all of this has been done. The suspicion is that these vaccines will not be as safe or have not been as thoroughly tested and vetted as others, but the reality is that much of the process of getting a vaccine approved is bureaucracy and is driven mainly with a profit margin in mind. This time around, practically the entire global scientific (academic and commercial) apparatus, manpower and capital has been focused like a laser on answering this one challenge, and with (so far, anyway) stunning results...
 
The suspicion is that these vaccines will not be as safe or have not been as thoroughly tested and vetted as others, but the reality is that much of the process of getting a vaccine approved is bureaucracy and is driven mainly with a profit margin in mind. This time around, practically the entire global scientific (academic and commercial) apparatus, manpower and capital has been focused like a laser on answering this one challenge, and with (so far, anyway) stunning results...

It would be nice if we could get this message through to everyone rather than them jumping straight to the "it was done so quickly it must be unsafe" approach.
 
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