Crazy grip, track gets slower not faster

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Ok guys I'm new here lol, this problem has been bugging me from day one and it's just not going away no matter how much I play around with car setups, for exactly I select Algarve and say the Porsche 918, time of year is summer so track temp is defo good, first few laps will feel great, car feels grippy and I get great traction when I hope it out of corners, but once I get a few laps in the car becomes uncontrollable and all over the place, the traction is gone and it just becomes an unstable mess of a car, now as far as I know track should be getting faster because of the rubber that's laid down, now I'm hoping this is a bug and it certainly feels like it, I get the same with other cars though not so prevalent on say gt cars but still there, so from what I can see in this game is track gets worse the more you drive and another point I drive with tyre wear off
 
Fizzy1979
Ok guys I'm new here lol, this problem has been bugging me from day one and it's just not going away no matter how much I play around with car setups, for exactly I select Algarve and say the Porsche 918, time of year is summer so track temp is defo good, first few laps will feel great, car feels grippy and I get great traction when I hope it out of corners, but once I get a few laps in the car becomes uncontrollable and all over the place, the traction is gone and it just becomes an unstable mess of a car, now as far as I know track should be getting faster because of the rubber that's laid down, now I'm hoping this is a bug and it certainly feels like it, I get the same with other cars though not so prevalent on say gt cars but still there, so from what I can see in this game is track gets worse the more you drive and another point I drive with tyre wear off
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Are your tyres getting cold? Some cars have this issue (like the FC, which I believe is a bug). Not driven any road cars yet myself.
 
bleeder
Are your tyres getting cold? Some cars have this issue (like the FC, which I believe is a bug). Not driven any road cars yet myself.
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No it's defo not the tyres, as I'm driving the tyre temp in the box is usually yellow so there definitely hot

And plus I've been driving with tyre wear off for the time being until this game gets patched up
 
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I have experienced this too - I put it down to me over driving as the tyres got hotter and I pushed, but maybe not...hoping it is a bug. :)
 
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Fizzy1979
No it's defo not the tyres, as I'm driving the tyre temp in the box is usually yellow so there definitely hot
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If its yellow then your tyres are too hot and you are losing grip as a result (regardless of how much rubber you may have put down), green is optimal for tyres.

What temps are you seeing on the tyres in the telemetry screen and what compound are you running?
 
Algarve in summer -> hot track, yellow indicators -> tyre temps are too hot, turning off tyre wear makes it go away. Sounds like overheating to me, but more details about tyre compound and actual values from telemetry would be helpful indeed.

Miko Skye
I have experienced this too - I put it down to me over driving as the tyres got hotter and I pushed, but maybe not...hoping it is a bug.
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You're probably right on the over driving (or using softs when you should be using hards). Why would you hope it's a bug? :confused:
 
NLxAROSA
Algarve in summer -> hot track, yellow indicators -> tyre temps are too hot, turning off tyre wear makes it go away. Sounds like overheating to me, but more details about tyre compound and actual values from telemetry would be helpful indeed.

You're probably right on the over driving (or using softs when you should be using hards). Why would you hope it's a bug? :confused:
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bad humour, don't actually want a bug, but it would mean I am not as bad a driver as I seem to be. Added a smiley at the end so people don't think I am wishing for bugs and hopefuly see i was being silly funny. :)
 
NLxAROSA
Algarve in summer -> hot track, yellow indicators -> tyre temps are too hot, turning off tyre wear makes it go away. Sounds like overheating to me, but more details about tyre compound and actual values from telemetry would be helpful indeed.

You're probably right on the over driving (or using softs when you should be using hards). Why would you hope it's a bug? :confused:
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Turning tyre wear off doesn't affect tyre temps though I thought? I usually have wear off too but they are still affected by heat.
 
Fizzy1979
No it's defo not the tyres, as I'm driving the tyre temp in the box is usually yellow so there definitely hot
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There's your problem. If temps are yellow then you are way too hot. Tires should be green.

Overheated tires slip and slide as much (or more) than cold ones.

As for "laying down rubber", first off this takes a LOT of laps to build up. You won't notice much difference with a single car running a handful of laps. Second off, there is a sweet spot of when it procides maximum grip. After a certain point it actually hinders grip causing lap times to become slower. A good article on the subject here

http://buildingspeed.org/blog/2016/08/05/how-tracks-take-and-lose-rubber/

It's discussed around a NASCAR weekend, but the physics and chemistry are the same regardless of racing type.
 
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F1Racer68
There's your problem. If temps are yellow then you are way too hot. Tires should be green.

Overheated tires slip and slide as much (or more) than cold ones.

As for "laying down rubber", first off this takes a LOT of laps to build up. You won't notice much difference with a single car running a handful of laps. Second off, there is a sweet spot of when it procides maximum grip. After a certain point it actually hinders grip causing lap times to become slower. A good article on the subject here

http://buildingspeed.org/blog/2016/08/05/how-tracks-take-and-lose-rubber/

It's discussed around a NASCAR weekend, but the physics and chemistry are the same regardless of racing type.
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But the thing is I thought tyres being yellow was normal,I get that on every car I use, if tyres are suppose to stay in the green then from what I've played so far would be impossible, even if I drive the car at 40 percent the tyres still show yellow after a lap,I don't understand, if I can't push the car then how can I hope to win any kind of race, you see the second you push which ever car the tyres go yellow straight away, I'm confused, am I supposed to trundle around a race circuit at 50mph or 150

And I drive with tyre wear off so it shouldn't be happening at all, I'm confused lol

Miko Skye
I have experienced this too - I put it down to me over driving as the tyres got hotter and I pushed, but maybe not...hoping it is a bug. :)
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I hope it's a bug, surly the tyres can't be this sensitive even if they are the soft compounds,I know for a fact this ain't true to real life, tyres don't behave like that after a few hard laps

If they'd just stuck to the project cars 1 tyre temp behavior and dynamic then I might just be able to enjoy the cars like the 918 or the laferrari
 
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Fizzy1979
But the thing is I thought tyres being yellow was normal,I get that on every car I use, if tyres are suppose to stay in the green then from what I've played so far would be impossible, even if I drive the car at 40 percent the tyres still show yellow after a lap,I don't understand, if I can't push the car then how can I hope to win any kind of race, you see the second you push which ever car the tyres go yellow straight away, I'm confused, am I supposed to trundle around a race circuit at 50mph or 150
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It's not a bug. It's driving style.

Sorry to be so blunt, but it sounds like you need to learn how to push the car without overheating the tires. It can be done. Many, many drivers in PC2 are doing it. Our league runs races of minimum 90 minute length with accelerated tire wear. The one complaint we rarely hear (one driver is known for it) is that tires overheat. The one driver that does complain about it is known to be very fast but also very harsh.

Most likely cause is that you are not smooth enough in your steering inputs. Are you using a wheel or controller? In either case, start looking at your controller settings and at your own driving technique. Those will be the main tools for controlling your temp issue.

Remember.... "Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.".

Slow yourself down a bit until you learn smooth driving inputs. As you get smoother, you will also automatically get faster.
 
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@Fizzy1979 A video with telemetry on, along with the car setup and driving aids used, would be very useful if you want people in here to help to identify possible issues. 👍
 
Fizzy1979
And I drive with tyre wear off so it shouldn't be happening at all, I'm confused lol
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Tire TEMP and tire WEAR are two different things. Turning off tire WEAR does NOT turn of tire temps. If it did, you would be on ice cubes all the time.

Tire temps are simulated all the time. As others have also said, look at what the track temp is and what compound you are on. Anything over about 100F track temp calls for hard compounds. Summer at Algarve, I guarantee you are over 100F track temp.
 
Like @F1Racer68 said, it could be due to you using a controller. If you are using one and also use the “tapping” driving style, where you repeatedly tap the joystick left/right to make small correction or to navigate a turn, you will be overheating the tires.
 
Sounds like overheating to me.
Were you running softs or hards?
Don't run softs in summer at algarve. You'll just cook the tires.
If hard, change the pressures or camber to control tire temps. You shouldn't be going over 90-100 C on hards
 
Hilazza
Sounds like overheating to me.
Were you running softs or hards?
Don't run softs in summer at algarve. You'll just cook the tires.
If hard, change the pressures or camber to control tire temps. You shouldn't be going over 90-100 C on hards
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Forgive me for sounding amateur but should I put the pressures down or up on the tyres, well it's summer Algarve and the car was a 918 running soft rubber, though the break ducts are down to about 42, do you think that could be over heating the tyres

F1Racer68
Tire TEMP and tire WEAR are two different things. Turning off tire WEAR does NOT turn of tire temps. If it did, you would be on ice cubes all the time.

Tire temps are simulated all the time. As others have also said, look at what the track temp is and what compound you are on. Anything over about 100F track temp calls for hard compounds. Summer at Algarve, I guarantee you are over 100F track temp.
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I'm thinking maybe stick to soft tyres but change the weather to Autumn

Quattro20v
Soft compounds. Summer. Algarve. A few hard laps.
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Loool sounds like a recipe for sliding all over the place

NLxAROSA
@Fizzy1979 A video with telemetry on, along with the car setup and driving aids used, would be very useful if you want people in here to help to identify possible issues. 👍
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The setup of the car was soft compounds, summer weather, Porsche 918, running back and forth ducts closed down to 42, and tc in the setup at 12, and in terms of driving aids it's full stability and traction set too low, adjusting traction in car setup let's me dictate how much slip I want

F1Racer68
It's not a bug. It's driving style.

Sorry to be so blunt, but it sounds like you need to learn how to push the car without overheating the tires. It can be done. Many, many drivers in PC2 are doing it. Our league runs races of minimum 90 minute length with accelerated tire wear. The one complaint we rarely hear (one driver is known for it) is that tires overheat. The one driver that does complain about it is known to be very fast but also very harsh.

Most likely cause is that you are not smooth enough in your steering inputs. Are you using a wheel or controller? In either case, start looking at your controller settings and at your own driving technique. Those will be the main tools for controlling your temp issue.

Remember.... "Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.".

Slow yourself down a bit until you learn smooth driving inputs. As you get smoother, you will also automatically get faster.
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If I'm honest the main cars that I find I have this problem with are the trinity, Ferrari laferrari, Porsche 918 and the p1, it seems to be the worst on these 3 cars, not as much on the rest of the cars

NLxAROSA
Algarve in summer -> hot track, yellow indicators -> tyre temps are too hot, turning off tyre wear makes it go away. Sounds like overheating to me, but more details about tyre compound and actual values from telemetry would be helpful indeed.

You're probably right on the over driving (or using softs when you should be using hards). Why would you hope it's a bug? :confused:
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It was never like this on pc1,I could throw any car around on the ragged edge so long as I was on soft compounds
 
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Well, I think that's the first sixtuple post I've ever seen. :lol: Top tip, don't make multiple posts in a row or your knuckles will get cracked by the mods. Use the Edit button to add another thought or the +Quote button to respond to multiple posts.

Fizzy1979
soft compounds, summer weather,
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As others have said, you're using the wrong tire for the conditions. If you're in the hot summer you should be on the hard compound, right or wrong that's how it is in this game.
 
BrandonW77
Well, I think that's the first sixtuple post I've ever seen. :lol: Top tip, don't make multiple posts in a row or your knuckles will get cracked by the mods. Use the Edit button to add another thought or the +Quote button to respond to multiple posts.



As others have said, you're using the wrong tire for the conditions. If you're in the hot summer you should be on the hard compound, right or wrong that's how it is in this game.
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Thanks bruv

Animera
Use hard tyres and adjust your starting pressures until they get to 26PSI when warmed up.
You'll have grip all day long.
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Thanks bruv, I'll try that tonight
 
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I don't know even after playing around with weather and tyre pressures and compounds I've noticed this game doesn't have that satisfying feeling of throwing a car round like pc1, in terms of car feel pc2 has gone a step back from pc1, hopefully the incoming patch will sort the game out

I know if you compare this game to real life, in the real world drivers or racing drivers are able to drive the cars more on the ragged edge than you can in-game
 
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Fizzy1979
I've noticed this game doesn't have that satisfying feeling of throwing a car round like pc1, in terms of car feel pc2 has gone a step back from pc1, hopefully the incoming patch will sort the game out
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Tyre management is a thing now, just like in real life. If you want to throw cars around without consequence, this is not the title for you.

Fizzy1979
I know if you compare this game to real life, in the real world drivers or racing drivers are able to drive the cars more on the ragged edge than you can in-game
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No, they can't. Ever seen an F1 driver drive the same time in race as in qualy? Nope, because they need to conserve tires. To be honest, if you're constantly in the yellow with your driving you're driving like an absolute madman. You'd shred your tires in real life too.

So stop blaming the game for your own crappy driving. People have been giving solid advice here, either do something with that or stop whining.
 
Fizzy1979
But the thing is I thought tyres being yellow was normal,I get that on every car I use, if tyres are suppose to stay in the green then from what I've played so far would be impossible, even if I drive the car at 40 percent the tyres still show yellow after a lap,I don't understand, if I can't push the car then how can I hope to win any kind of race, you see the second you push which ever car the tyres go yellow straight away, I'm confused, am I supposed to trundle around a race circuit at 50mph or 150
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Can you post a video of this up, showing the telemetry screen rather than the standard hub.

Fizzy1979
The setup of the car was soft compounds, summer weather, Porsche 918, running back and forth ducts closed down to 42, and tc in the setup at 12, and in terms of driving aids it's full stability and traction set too low, adjusting traction in car setup let's me dictate how much slip I want
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Soft compounds in summer will fry, just as they will in reality, shutting down the ducts will also keep more heat in the brakes which in turn will put more heat into the tyres.

Wrong compound plus brakes running too hot equals fried tyres.

Telemetry will allow that to be checked, but certainly I wouldn't go for that setup combo in that weather.
 
  1. Use SOFTS on a cool track
  2. Use HARDS on a hot track
  3. Green is optimum
  4. Check your tyre pressures when hot
I haven't seen a yellow tyre yet .
 


I found a sweet setup for my favorite car

I'm at my best when my tyres are in the yellow lol
 
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try overcast weather, it'll help bringing temps down. Also try to set 100% brake ducts and reduce tire pressures a bit, it should help having the correct pressures withoverheated tires (temps increase pressure and too much pressure will make the tire slide, so they generate more heat)
 

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