Cutting Chicanes

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So I get the feeling that some (most?) people consider cutting a chicane cheating. I was watching some German touring cars today racing on Monza and they were for sure cutting the first chicane on the start. thoughts?

edit: I would like to note gt5 got me to watch more racing and it was really cool to see them on a track where I knew all the turns! was much more fun for me.
 
Most forms of racing will penalize you for cutting a chicane. F1 will penalize if you do it repeatedly or if you gain position and don't give it back.
 
For a corner to be 'cut' every wheel has to be outside the white line on the edge of the track. I believe that is the nature of chicanes. They are put in courses to slow cars down, but naturally racers want to go through as quickly as possible.



Check out how many corners Rubens 'cuts'.
 
I guess maybe this race had different rules? Or perhaps they were so far back in the pack it was worth it (the cutting was one the first lap)? either way they made my laps look super sloppy.
 
For some reason I obey the chicane at Monaco for the most part (it was walled off in GT4) but I do cut those first two corners/chicanes at Monza a little, that is when I don't go in too fast and say hello to those things that look worryingly like cinder blocks...

By the way there is a very nice version of Monza in the download-only game Ferrari: The Racing Experience, nicer than GT5 IMHO but the game falls short of GT5 in most other departments...worth a look though when GT5's appeal wanes, if ever :)
 
Well Monza is kind of in a league of its' own with its' chicanes. Variante della Roggia and Variante Ascari (the 2nd and 3rd chicanes, respectively) are cut by race drivers worldwide.

If another racer online repeatedly cuts corners, then kick them.
 
Rossticles
For a corner to be 'cut' every wheel has to be outside the white line on the edge of the track. .
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What Rubans and other race drivers are doing is riding the curbs. When you cut the chicane you avoid going through it and continue straight onto the next straight section
 
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What Rubans and other race drivers are doing is riding the curbs. When you cut the chicane you avoid going through it and continue straight onto the next straight section
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This is why I put cut in quotations.
 
I was online on the Nurburgring GP/D track, and this guy, every single lap, would ride into the grass and completely skip the chicane right before the last turn. I only noticed when I was in the lead by about 4 seconds, then all of a sudden he flies past me in the grass as I am coming out of the chicane. He did it every single time. The best part is he wasnt the greatest driver, and couldnt come close to me on the rest of the track. So I ended up finishing 1st, ahead of him by almost 20 seconds.

Thats the type of chicane 'cutting' that pisses me off. If you are just riding the curbs, or even the painted stuff like on Monza, I don't mind. You should always have two tires on the track/ rumbles/ painted concrete. Anything else is pretty much cheating in my book.
 
GTP_Rodney
I was online on the Nurburgring GP/D track, and this guy, every single lap, would ride into the grass and completely skip the chicane right before the last turn. I only noticed when I was in the lead by about 4 seconds, then all of a sudden he flies past me in the grass as I am coming out of the chicane. He did it every single time. The best part is he wasnt the greatest driver, and couldnt come close to me on the rest of the track. So I ended up finishing 1st, ahead of him by almost 20 seconds.

Thats the type of chicane 'cutting' that pisses me off. If you are just riding the curbs, or even the painted stuff like on Monza, I don't mind. You should always have two tires on the track/ rumbles/ painted concrete. Anything else is pretty much cheating in my book.
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I got no problem with people shorting chicane in Monza as long as you follow the chicane stuff and just not follow the wall, however I do have problem when people are completly cutting chicane in Suzuka, Nurb or Monaco, I dont even think of doing it because it's not racing in my opinion and it had no fun. I have no respect and will never have for people that do stuff like that. I dont even understand why they doing it. If you want to drive like that, get mario kart, NFS or Burnout it will be better for you.
 
The only time I have cut the chicane's at Monza, is when I achieved GOLD in the X2010 challenge. I couldnt do it any other way :(
 
Many person cut the first chicane of Sarthe circuit and all the others chicanes because they break to late!a think that PD should make some thing and penalizes those infractions!
 
Well in F1 now days the suspensions are somewhat more fragile and most tracks have raised the curbs to the point it it pretty unhealthy for f1 cars to tackle curbs so aggressively on a regular basis, only a few drivers still do it.

Far as cutting monza is pretty bad for it since you can totally ramp that one chicain that intersects the long back straight in 2rd to 4th gear depending on the car, instead of gearing down to 1st and taking it legitly. Admit i do that pretty regularly against the AI.

But if you do that particular move in f1 or any other race situation that would be considered out and out corner cutting. If you do it once and do not gain position from it they usually let it slide do it a few times and your likely to get a penalty, tho i think i have seen drivers do it 2 or even 3 times in a race and not get hit for it.

I would break properly online tho, or try to i might miss my break in point but a bit from time to time especially if pushing hard but i would make an attempt to race it clean and only use the curbs within reason, aka 2 tires on the road two tires over the curb.
 

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