D-Pad vs ANALOG

B

Boosted Cobra

31
Hey guys, I am not sure who has GT4 and who doesn't but I just have a quick question.

As most of you know, in GT3 the Analog joysticks turn almost twice as fast as the regular directional buttoms (d-pad). Thats why everyone uses the analog for drifting.

In GT4, is it the same way? Because what about the people that can't use the analog? I am only good at the d-pad. But I can't use the d-pad because it turns so slow. Does anyone know how it is in GT4? If its the same as GT3 I am screwed during the online play.
 
I've always used D-pad, guess its because of my PC 'roots'.

Always found cars to understeer in GT3, GTC is a lot better & I have no problems drifting with the d-pad :)

Dunno about GT4 though.
 
thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

I hope it will be ok, because the analog users are at a definate advantage. Next time you play GT3, pick any car, and hold down the buttom to look backwards (so its looking at the car) and then turn the wheels all the way in one direction with the d-pad, and then do it with the analog. You will see how much faster the analog is.
 
I knew that you can turn the wheels from lock to lock faster with the analog stick than d-pad. But IMO you have more control with the d-pad. For example, if you want to slightly correct your line, it's harder with the analog stick.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter which one you're using...i switch between the two between races...
 
I still use it too, but it is just so slow. I had all of the tracks down pretty good in GT2, so when GT3 came out I was wondering why I kept missing the apexes by a inch, or why I would keep tapping the wall every now and then, and I wondered why the car always felt 'sluggish', and why I could never get a good rythem going. Its because the d-pad is really sluggish.

Next time you guys play GT3, try it with the analog for a while, you will see that it feels much more twitchy, thats because of how much faster it is. If the d-pads turned as fast as the analog that would be awsome.

I know you guys can't do anything about it, I guess I just like complaining about it! :banghead:
 
I use the D-pad. The analog is too twitchy for me. It makes you turn too much, even with a slight hit at the controller. It seems too sensitive to me.
 
Originally posted by Boosted Cobra
As most of you know, in GT3 the Analog joysticks turn almost twice as fast as the regular directional buttoms (d-pad). Thats why everyone uses the analog for drifting.
Click to expand...

That is not correct, when you push (with normal pressure) a direction on the D-Pad the car instantly goes to full lock (which is one of the less realistic elements of the GT series). But with the analog stick you have slightly more presice control over the steering than the semi digital d-pad (because the PS2 has analog buttons, like it makes much difference) which makes it slightly easier to counter steer and correct counter steer. Which makes drifting easier, because you can hold the wheels at an angle and make slight corrections.

Originally posted by Viper Zero
I use the analog stick because with analog, you have percise control of the car.
Click to expand...

👍
 
That is not correct, when you push (with normal pressure) a direction on the D-Pad the car instantly goes to full lock (which is one of the less realistic elements of the GT series).
Click to expand...
no thats not true, go put in GT3 and try it. Now, in GT1 and 2 your correct, the d-pad is the same as the analog. But GT3 is different.

Put in GT3, chose any car, any race (it doesn't matter) and just sit there and turn the wheel while facing your car (its usually the L1 button) first do the analog, push them all the way to right or left and wait until the wheels are turned all the way. Then, do it with the d-pad, at first it looks like its the same, but watch them turn all the way, you will see that to get the wheels to full lock with the d-pad takes FOREVER! How are we supposed to be fast using the d-pad when its like this.
 
Originally posted by Boosted Cobra
Put in GT3, chose any car, any race (it doesn't matter) and just sit there and turn the wheel while facing your car (its usually the L1 button) first do the analog, push them all the way to right or left and wait until the wheels are turned all the way. Then, do it with the d-pad, at first it looks like its the same, but watch them turn all the way, you will see that to get the wheels to full lock with the d-pad takes FOREVER! How are we supposed to be fast using the d-pad when its like this.
Click to expand...

I can't be arsed to check that, so i'll take your word for it. But the analog sticks do give you slightly more precise control over the car. If you use the analogs for turning/accel/brake you will find it hard for while. But then you will become much faster, especially coming out of corners because it's a helluva lot easyer to feather the throttle. Although a wheel would be besst.
 
Well I would test it but my mum would complain me stealing the TV downstairs :D (And I can't be bothered bringing PS2 up here)

If what you say is true its seems an important flaw in GT3, but they may have done this so the d-pad is 'less dramatic' but then thats what pressure sensitive buttons are for. Supposed to be 255/6 degrees of sensitivity if I recall although in GT3/C it seems theres about 3 'positions'.
 
T5, as soon as you get a chance try it out. I know I am making a big deal about it, but it is a big deal. Just like you said, its a big flaw.

Like I said, unless my controller is just broken, this is a huge problem, the d-pad has no chance against the analog. Yes the analog is difficult because it feels twichy, but if the d-pad was as fast as the analog it wouldnt be a problem because you can hit right and left faster on the d-pad so you could handle it being twichy.

The reason I am so mad about it is because now GT4 will go online and I dont want to use the analog, but I HATE how the d-pad drives, it feels like I am driving with an extra 200lbs in the car. Its terrible, if its like this in GT4 I don't know what I will do.
 
PSM magazine did a poll once to see what people use, the stick or the pad. 65% people used the stick, and 35% used the pad. After this poll, Sony announced they will have the stick only on their new PSP hand-held gaming machine.

The stick sucks. I never use it, unless I have no choice. It has way to much play for me to consider using it for GT3. If you press the d-pad hard enough, it turns fast enough. The d-pad turns the cars in GT3 more smooth compared to the stick. It acts more like a real steering wheel, compared to the stick.

No, I will not be purchasing the PSP.
 
I use the D pad for the same reasons as Solid, it is smoother, I don't really see any difference when I look back and try with both, your probably not pressing the pad hard enough.
 
Boosted is right.

Using the analogue stick deffinately seems faster from lock to lock than on the D-pad. Don't think it matters how hard you press D-pad (Unless you completely jab it in nearly breaking the pad then perhaps it goes a bit faster, which would be useless for racing anyway), analogue deffinately seems faster. Also faster & more responsive in slaloms. Same in both GT3 + GTC. :(
 
I guess my controller isn't broken:( I was actually hoping it was.

Yea it doesn't matter how hard you press, trust me, I press the d-pad so hard while racing because it feels so sluggish. I even tried plugging in a PS1 controller so it wouldn't have the pressure sensitive ability and its the same :banghead:

For those of you who haven't tried it, make sure you let the wheels go all the way to lock. Wait until they have stopped turning. Because at first it looks like there is no difference, but as they turn more, the get slower and slower than the analog.

I really hope GT4 is different.
 
Originally posted by Boosted Cobra
I guess my controller isn't broken:( I was actually hoping it was.

Yea it doesn't matter how hard you press, trust me, I press the d-pad so hard while racing because it feels so sluggish. I even tried plugging in a PS1 controller so it wouldn't have the pressure sensitive ability and its the same :banghead:
Click to expand...

Your controller isn't broken. You see, d-pad stands for Digital Pad; as in 0's and 1's, on or off, true or false, turn or do not turn. You will never achieve the level of precision as the analog because the d-pad only has 2 values (0 and 1), the analog has an infinite value.
 
Originally posted by Viper Zero
Your controller isn't broken. You see, d-pad stands for Digital Pad; as in 0's and 1's, on or off, true or false, turn or do not turn. You will never achieve the level of precision as the analog because the d-pad only has 2 values (0 and 1), the analog has an infinite value.
Click to expand...

Just remember the PS2 D-pads are analogue to a certain degree, although I very much doubt its to as much as Sony first claimed. Of course your right about the PS1 pads though :)
 
Your controller isn't broken. You see, d-pad stands for Digital Pad; as in 0's and 1's, on or off, true or false, turn or do not turn.
Click to expand...
Usually thats true, but not in the PS2. The PS2 controllers are fully touch sensitive. The analog AND the d-pad are both touch sensitive. Try it, press the d-pad very lightly and the car will turn just alittle bit. Or press the gas buttom just alittle, and you can hold the car at a certain speed.

The point is, the d-pad sucks and whoever made it that way made a big mistake :confused: :banghead:


Boosted Cobra your on Supraforums too right and nice ride
Click to expand...
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Yep, I am registered over there. I have been registered for a while (a year or so I think) but I only have 5-10 posts. I just go over there to check up on what the supra guys are doing.:D But I am usually on svtperformance and modularfords so I can stay up to date on what all of us 03cobra guys are doing.

Strictly performance just hit 850rwhp and 1000+rwtq on a stock motor. With the KB blower/nitrous. Right now, the most hp on the stock motor and no nitrous is about 710rwhp. Once heads/cams come out, we should be making some serious hp.
 
I use the d-pad for the menus only :P

This bit is taken from the official playstation page:

Description:_The standard controller for the PlayStation 2 computer entertainment system, the DUALSHOCK 2 analog controller delivers a more intuitive gaming experience, with pressure sensitivity on every action button (up to 255 levels of sensitivity!) and the enhanced mobility of the analog thumbsticks. So, accelerate, decelerate, and maneuver through a course with surgical precision or unlock even more fighting moves and secret weapons. Either way, the DUALSHOCK 2 revolutionizes the way games are played.

But if you ask my personal opinion, I never noticed that the d-pad was p-sensitive.

Viper Zero: D-pad means directional pad, not digital pad.
 

Latest Posts

Back