DAE think ranking should be separated by assists used?

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Sorry if this has been discussed before, it just became apparent to me after doing the new set of seasonals, so I'm just curious what people think about this. After 10-15 laps of attempts in the FT-1 @ Laguna, I was able to put down a 1:32.428 with SRF off, TCS off, ABS 1, and no Active Steering or driving line. There is still definitely room for improvement there, but I don't see how it is physically possible to get sub 1:27 laps without the use of major assists such as SRF. I really feel there is no point putting people who use no assists in the same ranking tree as people using them, because it's in no way an accurate representation of rank.

Thoughts?
 
Wheels aren't really much of an "assist". If I'm correct, last time I checked the M4 leaderboards a few hours ago, there was a Japanese guy using a DS3 with Automatic transmission and possibly traction control on 1 in 2nd place. I'm not against the idea of having a separate leaderboard for other types of controllers and which setting you put SRF on though. The more options to filter the boards, the merrier!
 
doodlemonoply
Wheels aren't really much of an "assist". If I'm correct, last time I checked the M4 leaderboards a few hours ago, there was a Japanese guy using a DS3 with Automatic transmission and possibly traction control on 1
in 2nd place. I'm not against the idea of having a separate
leaderboard for other types of controllers and which setting you
put SRF on though. The more
options to filter the boards, the merrier!
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Yes i seen that! He had TC5 he even let of the throttle before the finish :/ wasnt even a good lap to be honest.

On the filter option i would love that :)

Having your best times on multiple settings that be awesome an by country aswell.

I remember grantaurismo.net having this but they dont seem to have the TT Live Ranking System anymore.

Good time at Laguna Doodle, am sure i can get into 26's when i nail a lap but man that car is soo bad, well doesnt suit me i guess..
 
GTPMcBride
Yes i seen that! He had TC5 he even let of the throttle before the finish :/ wasnt even a good lap to be honest.

On the filter option i would love that :)

Having your best times on multiple settings that be awesome an by country aswell.

I remember grantaurismo.net having this but they dont seem to have the TT Live Ranking System anymore.

Good time at Laguna Doodle, am sure i can get into 26's when i nail a lap but man that car is soo bad, well doesnt suit me i guess..
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Yeah unfortunately Milouse can't do anymore leaderboards because PD stopped putting them on the Gran Turismo website. Yeah the car does take some time getting used to. I had multiple chances at a 26.4, but I have no idea how DUB does so well at the corkscrew. I'll be ahead of him up until that point. :grumpy:
 
doodlemonoply
Yeah unfortunately Milouse can't do anymore leaderboards because PD stopped putting them on the Gran
Turismo website. Yeah the car does take some time getting used to. I
had multiple chances at a 26.4, but I have no idea how DUB does so
well at the corkscrew. I'll be ahead of him up until that point.
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Thats a shame, dont understand why they wouldnt give out that information because its not like its a bad thing?! Weird.

Yeah i havent watched an replays of him am sure he has probably used handbrake an flicked it in? I tried going in slower an nailing the exit but on the inside is a different level an slams the car really bad! lol..

I like laguna so i might stick with
this TT for a bit. Didnt like the setup on Lancia, its soo wrong :(
 
doodlemonoply
Yeah unfortunately Milouse can't do anymore leaderboards because PD stopped putting them on the Gran Turismo website. Yeah the car does take some time getting used to. I had multiple chances at a 26.4, but I have no idea how DUB does so well at the corkscrew. I'll be ahead of him up until that point. :grumpy:
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Try earlier upshift
 
But the laser show is separated. If you opted SRF off then game will only show trails of your friends who are SRF off. cmiiw about this.

Meaning, the game already diferentiate records between SRF on or off. Only matter of showing the filter in leaderboards
 
On 'the wheel is an assist thing', I used to think that too, until I bought one!

I agree times should be separated by aids/controller, but SRF is the big one. The difference in times between the SRF on and off laps seems bigger than any other aid. ALL the top times amongst my friends are SRF on. Whereas TCS/ABS/Driving Line and D-pad/Analogue/Wheel times, are much closer. I still not good with my wheel, and I'm finding it much tougher to gold these events than I thought I would.

Tuning as well. I know some events M4/FT-1 etc used fixed settings, but also when it's cars I don't normally race (MiTo, Lancia for example), that I've not upgraded, let alone tuned, I wonder why I'm so far off the pace of some people, and it's because they've tuned/maxed the PP, and I'm useing stock (to begin with).
 
GTPMcBride
Thats a shame, dont understand why they wouldnt give out that information because its not like its a bad thing?! Weird.
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Its probably because PD doesn't want others to benefit from their data. IMO sad sad sad... PD is getting greedy...
they are just doing damage to their own interest. if they cant cope with the community, somebody else will.
 
Assists slow you down, it always does. The fastest or really fast times never use assists.

You just need to improve your driving out there. Honestly there are some crazy fast drivers out that never use aids (I never use aids) also all the GT Academy finalists so far have never used driving aids (apart from ABS set to 1)
 
ZedMan1996
Assists slow you down, it always does. The fastest or really fast times never use assists.

You just need to improve your driving out there. Honestly there are some crazy fast drivers out that never use aids (I never use aids) also all the GT Academy finalists so far have never used driving aids (apart from ABS set to 1)
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I would agree, assists slow you down as ones driving skills increase. This is not the case with SRF. It does not slow you down in fact it dramatically improves your lap times. And the crazy fast drivers are using it. Just click on the name of any top 10 or top thousand or so drivers on any of the TT's leader boards, you will be hard pressed to find any without SRF on. No foul doing that, They are just using what the other crazy fast drivers are using to stay competitive.
I turn SRF off for the first week of the TT competeing with my friends list with others that have SRF off. Week two I turn SRF on to see how well or poorly I do against the rest of the world.
No matter what your skill level you can not overcome the advantage SRF gives you. Thus the need to filter driver assists for those choosing not to use them.
 
@Doodle: Watch the replay for that ds3 guy in Willow Springs! This guys lap is a "joke". His straight line top speeds are impossible and he did wrong almost every corner. It might be a tyre bug again or its a hacked car.
 
I would love to have ranking without any helping assists ... i did a 1:27.894 on deep forest this morning in the scirocco and what a surprise ... anyone in front of me was using all the helping stuff ... i really hate it . i want to know where are my place is on tt's without aids. btw i'm using a sixaxis pad (not the ds3) it's the older one. ng doc

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I'm not a fast driver, but I would like to know where I am against other drivers who don't use assists.

It would also be nice if we could filter by gated gear shift with clutch - it would give me an incentive to try the TT's with it. So far I've only done the Hudson TT with shifter and clutch - the time was absolutely hopeless, but that car was a lot more fun to drive in cockpit with H pattern shifter (even though I know the real one used a column change).
 
I don't care if people use assists but I think the problem is that PD has changed SRF in GT6 compared to GT5.

You always more faster with SRF ON no matter what your skill this is weird.
 
diptob79
But the laser show is separated. If you opted SRF off then game will only show trails of your friends who are SRF off. cmiiw about this.

Meaning, the game already diferentiate records between SRF on or off. Only matter of showing the filter in leaderboards
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I ran Hudson Hornet hotlap, and the ghost line mostly are from my friends who uses SRF and ABS 1, I didn't use any.

ZedMan1996
Assists slow you down, it always does. The fastest or really fast times never use assists.

You just need to improve your driving out there. Honestly there are some crazy fast drivers out that never use aids (I never use aids) also all the GT Academy finalists so far have never used driving aids (apart from ABS set to 1)
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What about SRF ? it makes you faster, and ABS is driving aid ( brake assist )

A filter in the board would be great, I usually only compare with my friends who do not use any aids - only a few :( less than 5.
 
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I think a Leader Board with filters for aids/controllers/country/settings that can be toggled on and off similar to mygranturismo.net's would be sufficient.

PSN lookup would be nice too, I often used it to see if posers poster's keystrokes matched their deeds.

Was particularly useful to parse results for people like myself that use manual trans when TT's corresponding real car has one.
 
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JogoAsobi
I think a Leader Board with filters for aids/controllers/settings that can be toggled on and off similar to mygranturismo.net's would be sufficient.
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Yep we need this big time. I'm never going to run with the leaders but the SRF times are just silly, they should at least gives that to toggle on / off for comparison.

What's odd is SRF is on for the license tests, it's almost like they want us to use it but it feels like a totally cheat in the seasonals since the gold times are easily within reach without it.
 
I agree, if they did this, it would eliminate the back & forth about using aids.
Would be a snap to differentiate the results.

I can see using the aids when the pack are all doing it when going for the global standings.
But for some of us non-alien types, its between us and people on our FR LB that use similar settings.

Due to personal circumstances, I don't have the time for the practice it takes to get to top global standings.
If I ever break 1000, it will be a good day, best I ever did was 1058 for GT5's TT52 #2 @ snowy Chamonix.

I do the seasonal TTs with wheel/no driving aids/0 ABS (unless forced or no BB adjust.)...
...and use clutch/manual trans most of the time the corresponding real car has one.
Those are really the only times that I am interested in seeing how I stack up against.

But not everyone shares the same criteria which I totally understand, filter toggles would enable that.
The only way I can really check now in GT6, is on my FR LB against friends that do the same.

LB = Leader Board
 
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b0ltzz_
Sorry if this has been discussed before, it just became apparent to me after doing the new set of seasonals, so I'm just curious what people think about this. After 10-15 laps of attempts in the FT-1 @ Laguna, I was able to put down a 1:32.428 with SRF off, TCS off, ABS 1, and no Active Steering or driving line. There is still definitely room for improvement there, but I don't see how it is physically possible to get sub 1:27 laps without the use of major assists such as SRF. I really feel there is no point putting people who use no assists in the same ranking tree as people using them, because it's in no way an accurate representation of rank.

Thoughts?
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ABS is an assist.
 
I agree that there should be seperate boards for atleast SRF on /off. I drive with a DS3 and with SRF i was able to go 1,5sec faster, just becourse of all the extra grip.
I think it's weird you can enter the leaderboards with assists like active steering etc i mean, come on this ain't Mario Cart.

I think allowed assists should be
Wheel user: ABS (maybe tc on some cars)
DS3 users: ABS, TC. (Maybe ASM to cater to more of the casual gamers)

And that should be it. But that is just my opinion
 
i only care for SRF tbh.
All the other aids dont necessarily make you faster, SRF does in all cases, by a good margin.
Also, if the real car has TC, why not let someone use it. Thats ok with me. all the other aids slow you down imo, so, yeah, SRF is what annoys me the most.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I ran Hudson Hornet hotlap, and the ghost line mostly are from my friends who uses SRF and ABS 1, I didn't use any.



What about SRF ? it makes you faster, and ABS is driving aid ( brake assist )

A filter in the board would be great, I usually only compare with my friends who do not use any aids - only a few :( less than 5.
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There is no braking system better than a professionals left foot.

SRF is a god point though.

ABS is really good yes but for people who are amazing without it will brake better.
 
b0ltzz_
Sorry if this has been discussed before, it just became apparent to me after doing the new set of seasonals, so I'm just curious what people think about this. After 10-15 laps of attempts in the FT-1 @ Laguna, I was able to put down a 1:32.428 with SRF off, TCS off, ABS 1, and no Active Steering or driving line. There is still definitely room for improvement there, but I don't see how it is physically possible to get sub 1:27 laps without the use of major assists such as SRF. I really feel there is no point putting people who use no assists in the same ranking tree as people using them, because it's in no way an accurate representation of rank.

Thoughts?
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I can,t see your point here? What does it matter? Its a game why even worry whether other people have driving aids or not? Its the individuals choice isn,t it? I personally don,t care . I get gold , get the money and move on to the next event. Its just a game.
 
joeledward
I can,t see your point here? What does it matter? Its a game why even worry whether other people have driving aids or not? Its the individuals choice isn,t it? I personally don,t care . I get gold , get the money and move on to the next event. Its just a game.
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It's a competition. People want to see how their skills stack up against others. Basic human nature.
The point is, those who enjoy the more realistic version of the game can't do that right now.
 
Heheh, SRF, that thing I turn on for seasonals when I'm bored and want the gold in my first warm-up lap.
Yes, they probably should be separated, in the recent Lancia Delta at Ascari hotlap, I was sliding everywhere without assists, since I had a shoddy tune (Bought an LSD and just made up the settings out of thin air) and no experience with the Comfort Medium tyres, I turned SRF on to see what would happen. Suddenly my tires are like Sports Mediums! Not a single skid or puff of smoke, incredible.

Simpler Solution! Lock SRF off or on for certain events. That would level the playing field. In fact, if you want a really pure competition, there should be some events where everybody gets an identical car with an identical lack of tuning or assists.
 

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